Okay, I understand your point. But are there people saying Idle is scum without a vote on anyone? If there are, I missed it but I want to look at them.
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Look at the thread. I’m making a lot of people suspicious of me. Add to that the fact that I am partially responsible for Brewha’s lynch, and thus the neutering of Batman, and I have to take a step back and consider that I am way off, and it’s distracting town, not helping it. The only other explanation is that it’s a difference in play styles, and with so many people suspicious of me I have to conclude that is a major part of the problem. I came to this game expecting and looking for ballsy gambits. I now think I need to stop hearing hooves and thinking zebra. How can I do that? By toning down my aggression and reevaluating my suspicions.
You won’t know I’m being honest until my reveal, but I am.
And if Toejam’s claim is true, then I would argue that there are a lot of other people who need to take a step back and reevaluate. D2 ended at 15-14. Town Brewha got the lynch with now claimed Doc Toejam in a very close 2nd. I don’t think it’s going too far to say that as a whole we are all screwing up.
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NETA why is being reasonable scummy?
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My argument is that people are going to pop in cast a vote for Idle and disappear again. If you don’t have an alternate candidate, then perhaps you should be looking for one. Whether you vote for Idle or not, I just want people to be more involved in actual scum hunting and not just saying “good enough for me”, casting a vote, and looking no further.
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I don’t have a vote on anyone right now. I had a vote on Pleo, but I want to reread D2 and toDay to see who else is pushing for a cultist lynch. I just haven’t had time. I’m not gonna cast a vote for Idle right now as a placeholder because it makes it easier for someone who hasn’t been scum hunting to see the number of votes on Idle and decide it’s a good enough place to vote.
Will post my suspicions and look into the cultist pushers tonight.
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Yeah, yeah. I obviously made the extremely anti-town play of finding you scummy. Do you always keep an OMGUS vote in your back pocket, or just when you’re particularly antsy about having a vote on you?
I guess he could have said nothing and just let us lynch him… I don’t think that would have gone over well. Instead he claimed.
So either he is telling the truth or he’s scum who had a good chance of being lynched and his claim is a Hail Mary to get the real doc to counterclaim. He’s got nothing to lose… people obviously want him dead… and scum hasn’t done it yet. Added benefit being that if the doc doesn’t counter claim the votes will drop off him real fast. It’s a win-win for a scum Toejam and a lose lose for town Toejam.
Given the WiFoM, and the fact that (if he’s scum) the opposing scum faction also won’t know if he’s telling truth but either way they know he’s either the doc or a member of the opposing faction, so they benefit from his death, I say leave him be for now and let scum sort it out.
My initial reaction to his claim is that he is lying, but I’ve been looking for gambits all game and been wrong. You tell me, is he more likely telling the truth or scum?
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It would be a bad idea if he were gone and not coming back. If that were the case, then we’d have no need to lynch him – he’d be modkilled. So if someone believes that, then cool – point your vote elsewhere.
I’m just not willing to take the chance.
This is perfectly reasonable, and probably at least partially true. There’s something missing out of it, though.
Where’s your suspicion of me? You’re not even remotely entertaining the possibility that I’m scum?
Why would you do that? My only thought is that you know who your teammates are and you know I’m not one of them.
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Being reasonable isn’t inherently scummy. Being reasonable is IMO more characteristic of your scum game than your town game.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly.
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Using the Yoknapatawpha County Clarion’s template (that was a Faulkner joke, which was lame).
- AngeloftheNorth - slight Town lean
- BillMc - I don’t know
- Biotop - slight Town lean
- Boozahol Squid, P.I. - slight scum lean
- brewha – died D2 (1276) – vanilla Town
- bufftabby - I don’t know
- Captain Klutz - I feel good about CK being Town
- Chronos – died D2 (1276) - Mason
- Colby11 – died D2 (1) – vanilla Town
- ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies - I don’t know
- crys75 - 3rd party but something is a bit hinky with the switch
- Dante G – ModKilled D1 (1) –vanilla Town
- DaphneBlack > Lakai 2 - I don’t know
- DiggitCamara - scum lean
- Drain Bead - Daykilled D2 - was magically delicious
- EnderW24 - slight scum lean
- Guiri - I feel good about Guiri being Town
- Hal Briston - I don’t know
- hawkeyeop - slight Town lean
- Hockey Monkey - I don’t know
- HookerChemical - Town lean
- Hoopy Frood - slight Town lean
- Idle Thoughts - I don’t know
- Inner Stickler - I don’t know
- Johnny Bravo - slight Town lean
- jsgoddess - I am Town
- Khameleon - I don’t know
- Koldanar - I don’t know
- Lakai 1 – died D1 (1214) vanilla Town
- LightFoot - Town lean
- Meeko - I don’t know and don’t think it’s possible to know
- MHaye - slight Town lean
- Nanook of the North Shore - Town lean
- Nesta - I don’t know
- Normal Phase – died D1 (1214) Investigative Journalist
- Pleonast - scum lean
- Plumpudding - I don’t know
- Precambrian mollusk > Cygnus 42 - I don’t know
- Prof. Pepperwinkle - scum lean
- Raventhief - Town lean
- Red Skeezix > Svejk - I don’t know
- Sachertorte - 3rd party as claimed
- Sario – died D3 Wizard
- Scathach - slight scum lean
- septimus – died D1 (1214) EMT
- sinjin - I don’t know
- snfaulkner - slight Town lean
- Suburban Plankton – died D2 (1) Homicide Detective
- Sunny Daze - slight scum lean
- Texcat - Town lean
- Thing Fish - Town lean
- Toejam - he has claimed, but otherwise slight scum lean
- Total Lost - scum lean
- Winston Smith > Paulwhoisaghost - scum lean
- Zeriel - I don’t know
This was useful for me, though I’m not sure it’s as revealing as I had hoped. I couldn’t decide if I should force myself to answer even when I really didn’t know. Too many are “I don’t know.” Some I should probably have an opinion on because they have been participating. Others are so absent it’s hard to feel one way or another.
But in filling it out, I found that two people ping me the hardest: Pleonast and Prof. Pepperwinkle. The first for lots of oddities around interactions with Normal Phase and Thing Fish. The second for the “I won’t post because I just post fluff/lynch lurkers/I’m totally not lurking/lynch lurkers/you can’t find scum through any other means/if I stop advocating for lynching lurkers you’ll attack me but I don’t do it other places/now I’ll start playing!” series of posts (paraphrased, obviously) that just made me feel that he is talking for the sake of talking. Sooooo,
vote Prof. Pepperwinkle
Thanks for this response. I respect this.
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What have you contributed to this game besides telling me I suck?
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That’s a good point about letting scum sort it out. My initial reaction was also that he was lying but I don’t want to risk it.
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You’re not willing to take the chance that he might come back?
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You know why I think this is helpful, even if you have a lot of I don’t knows?
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We can see if there is anyone that is pinging many of us that is flying under the radar because they’re not a prime lynch candidate.
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Scum struggle to come up with more than one or two suspicions. People willing to put up contemporaneous suspicions are slightly more likely to be town IMO.
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The exercise actually helped me cement who was who in my head. With 50 players I genuinely have no idea who some of them are. Now I have an idea of who more of them are.
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I know you as well as you know me Angel. I’m not gonna catch you as scum without doing a deep dive and WOW on you. It’s part of why I think you are a good player, as scum you make people work to catch you. I haven’t had time to focus on you yet and want to give you as much rope to hang yourself with as possible. Besides which you have openly stated your suspicions of me. Right now I have a slight scum lean on you, but I can’t honestly say it isn’t OMGUS biased, so I’m not taking a position just yet.
I understand your assessment of me. I don’t have one for you yet. All work and no play… my work schedule is really erratic, this week I had a light day on Monday and busy days every day since. I’ve been able to keep up, but only enough so to give my stance on the goings on and pose arguments… not enough time to do a wow… and you wouldn’t be one of my first targets for a WOW if I had time… If you are scum, I doubt there is enough to find a difference from your usual town play yet.
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Here’s a little anecdote for all of you:
Yesterday I visited my pulmonologist to see if my CPAP machine was helping me with my chronic tiredness. (It is.) He informed me that it had to work because it was Mechanical. Yeah, you could hear the capital M.
And that brought to my mind the fact that, having done the research, I know that (especially with an oversized group such as this) my process of Lynching the Low Count Posters works. Note: I didn’t say Lynch the Lurker. Lurking implies going through the fluff. This is strictly Mechanical.
You may say you don’t like to play that way. That’s your opinion. My opinion is if it works, and if Town is down 10 players and Scum is down 0, I’m gonna stick to it.
I have been doing more reading over on MafiaScum. There I found two pieces of advice that encourage me: 1) Town are Idiots. We don’t have the information we desperately need and flail about all ways, hoping to luck into something. 2) Hunt the Scum Team, not just individuals.
So, on D1 and D2 there isn’t enough Data to really make a good case. This is D3. Here they are: The Mafia and the Wolves are most likely found in these 14 people:
Svejk, Cygnus42, Khameleon, Howkeyop, Hal Briston, DiggitCamara, Nanook,
BillMC, Koldanar, MHaye, nesta, Zeriel, Idle Thoughts, Inner Stickler
The order is from least-to-highest posters. Yes, I considered people who’ve subbed in for other people.
So, having said that, my vote goes to:
vote sachertorte
Not because I think I’m wrong about Scum. It’s because sachertorte and Crys have claimed to be 3P, and harmless LUTHA’s.
Archangel has said that 3P is always harmful to Town, and, having read through some 20+ games in the last year, I do believe she’s right. Crys offered herself up as a sacrificial proof, but she’s just the Second Deacon. sachertorte is the First. She’s protecting him.
After we get rid of the 3P’s, then we can concentrate on Scum. And the other possibility is, the Deacons are lying, and are actually Scum hiding as harmless LUTHA’s. In which case, we win. What they are not is Town hiding as 3P’s.
Plum, I haven’t forgotten your request. I am now going back to my reading, and will have an answer for that either today or tomorrow, as time permits.
BTW, Archangel is AngeloftheNorth.