Mafia Reunion - Day Three

[GuiriEnEspana]

Woot, farewell Idle, jsgoddess and Thing Fish!

2 day kills?

Color coded vote counts with unvotes.

jsgoddess voted Lakai, ToeJam, and Prof. P, with unvotes on Angel, Crys and Pleo. Was voted by Chronos and Hoopy.
Thing Fish voted Pleo, ToeJam and Khameleon with unvote on Prof.P. Was voted by Chronos (he was onto something!), Pleo twice, and Diggit.

Day 1[spoiler]**Lakai(17): InnerSticker[257],[del] SNF[295-1205][/del], RedSkeez[319], PlumPudding[647], Lightfoot[883], Koldanar[900], [del]Guiri[977-1182][/del], HoopyFrood[1031], Angel[1078], Meeko[1082], HockeyMonkey[1102], Drain[1108], RavenThief[1109], JSGoddess[1129], MHaye[1176], Nesta[1187], BuffTabby[1194], Cookies[1206], Nanook[1208]

ToeJam(15): CaptKlutz[57-347,796], Sunny[113], Normal[147-322,1011], Hooker[184], Sinjin[200], Sachertorte[534], Lakai[775-1006,1209], ProfP[1057], BillMc[1152], Septimus[1155], Biotop[1178], Guiri[1182], Ender[1195], Chronos[1197], SNF[1205]

Colby(6): Texcat[91],[del] Guiri[101-977], Septimus[106-231,993-1034], Meeko[130-1082][/del], ToeJam[132], [del]HockeyMonkey[152-1101][/del], [del]Lakai[154-775][/del], Suburban[162-541,1026], [del]Diggit[249-264][/del], Hawkeye[350], [del]Nanook[455-1208][/del], Brewha[683], Pleonast[841]

**Angel(3): **[del]SNF[37-157][/del], Zeriel[413], TotalLost[493], [del]JSGoddess[503-716][/del], BoozySquid[546],[del] Septimus[981-993][/del],[del] Lakai[1006-1209][/del]

Pleonast(1): [del]Septimus[85-106][/del], ThingFish[794],[del] Normal[824-1011][/del], [del]Nesta[1187-1187][/del]
Normal Phase(1):** [del]Texcat[29-91][/del], Johnny Bravo[36], [del]Pleonast[241-511][/del]
Septimus(1): Ender[243], [del]TotalLost[273-493], Normal[322-714], Colby[335-946], CaptKlutz[347-796], HoopyFrood[480-736], Pleonast[511-841][/del]
**Texcat(1): **Scathach[758]
Brewha(1): Colby[946]

JohnnyBravo(0): [del]Meeko[41-130], BuffTabby[259-1094], Septimus[488-659][/del]
Meeko(0): [del]Drain[94-888][/del]
Drain(0): [del]Angel[97-542][/del]
BoozySquid(0):[del] Normal[102-147], SNF[157-295], Angel[542-1078], Biotop[709-957][/del]
JSGoddess(0): [del]Chronos[183-917][/del]
Hawkeye(0): [del]BoozySquid[188-540][/del]
**Capt Klutz(0): **[del]HoopyFrood[195-480], Drain[889-1108][/del]
**SNF(0): **Diggit[264]
Biotop(0): [del]PlumPudding[412-470][/del]
Prof(0)P: [del]PlumPudding[472-647], Septimus[659-981][/del]
Ender(0): [del]ProfP[528-545][/del]
PlumPudding(0): [del]Suburban[541-1026][/del]
Koldanar(0):[del] ProfP[545-908][/del]
TotalLost(0):[del] RavenThief[679-912], JSGoddess[716-1129][/del]
Scathach(0): [del]HoopyFrood[798-1031][/del]
ThingFish(0): [del]Chronos[917-1197][/del]
Chronos(0): [del]Biotop[957-1178][/del][/spoiler]
Day 2[spoiler]brewha (16): [del]bufftabby(373-417)[/del], Chronos (538), [del]Biotop (543-909)[/del], BoozaholSquid (556), Cometothe…Cookies (575), [del]sachertorte (576-913)[/del], [del]HookerChemical (621-688)[/del], bufftabby (622), [color=blue]DrainBead(638), [del]raventhief (646-1002)[/del], paulwhoisaghost (703), Khameleon (716), Lakai (720), [del]HookerChemical (722-988)[/del], Meeko (726), ToeJam (730), Crys75(743), JohnnyBravo(767), Prof. Pepperwinkle(794), BillMc(947), TotalLost (957), InnerStickler(1033)

ToeJam (14): [del]raventhief (31-597)[/del], IdleThoughts(32), [del]SunnyDaze (34-318)[/del], Biotop (909), sachertorte (913), CaptainKlutz (950), sinjin(955), HookerChemical (988), guiri(995), brewha(998), ThingFish(1000), raventhief(1002), Sunny Daze (1023), MHaye(1036), jsgoddess(1038), nesta(1039)

Crys75 (8): [del]Guiri (262-812)[/del], [del]SunnyDaze (568-1023)[/del], HockeyMonkey (584), DiggitCamara (588), AngeloftheNorth (595), Texcat (639), [del]CaptainKlutz (640-950)[/del], snfaulkner (641); [del]jsgodess(795-976)[/del], Hawkeyeop(803), Zeriel(860), Scathach (959)

Texcat (1): Plumpudding (68)
Thing Fish (1): Pleonast (121)
Chronos (1): Nanook (151)
HockeyMonkey (1): Hoopy Frood (663)
snfaulkner (1): [del]DiggitCamara (250-588)[/del], [del]Texcat (633-639)[/del], [del]Guiri (812-995)[/del], koldanar(819)
Pleonast (1): Lightfoot (288), [del]HookerChemical (295-621)[/del], [del]ThingFish(297-1000)[/del], [del]jsgoddess(976-1038)[/del]

Plumpudding (0): [del]SunnyDaze (318-508)[/del]
Angelofthenorth (0): [del]Zeriel (60-529)[/del], [del]BoozaholSquid, P.I. (80-556)[/del]
Idle Thoughts (0): [del]Angelofthenorth (44-595)[/del]
BillMc (0): [del]DrainBead(132-638)[/del], [del]Texcat (179-633)[/del]
jsgoddess (0): [del]HoopyFrood (294-663)[/del]
DiggitCamara (0): [del]snfaulkner (332-641)[/del], [del]Paulwhoisaghost (386-699)[/del]
CaptainKlutz (0): [del]DrainBead(45-132)[/del], [del]SunnyDaze (567-568)[/del], [del]Crys75 (583-743)[/del]
Meeko (0): [del]JohnnyBravo (169-767)[/del]
Sario (0): [del]Prof. Pepperwinkle (45-794)[/del], [del]Cometothe…Cookies (523-575)[/del]
Paulwhoisaghost (0): [del]Zeriel (529-860)[/del]
sachertorte (0): [del]Meeko (201-726)[/del], [del]brewha(806-998)[/del]

Non-voters (5): EnderW24, HalBriston, Precambrianmollusc, RedSkeezix, Sario[/spoiler]

Day 3[spoiler]IdleThoughts (17): SunnyDaze(182), raventhief(207), [del]ToeJam(259-408)[/del], [del]HalBriston(300-923)[/del], [del]Prof.Pepperwinkle(398-692)[/del], [del]Paulwhoisaghost(515-710)[/del], Nanook(528), Biotop(533), JohnnyBravo(536), [del]Plumpudding(552-889)[/del], [del]Angelofthenorth(554-778)[/del], HockeyMonkey(576), Khameleon(593), sinjin(632), CaptainKlutz(699), Lightfoot(715), nesta(731), Hawkeyeop(758), BillMC(765), Zeriel(807), [del]snfaulkner(821-836)[/del], Angelofthenorth(873), [del]TexCat(874-908)[/del], Plumpudding(897), Cookies(917)

Prof. Pepperwinkle (14): [del]TexCat(278-874)[/del], jsgoddess(332), [del]Paulwhoisaghost(343-515)[/del], [del]Pleonast(345-602)[/del], InnerStickler(347), [del]Lightfoot(354-715)[/del], [del]HockeyMonkey(367-576)[/del], ToeJam(408), Bufftabby(420), [del]Biotop(458-532)[/del], Enderw24(588), IdleThoughts(590), Pleonast(602), Safhertorte(656), MHaye(674), Cygnus42(818), TotalLost(837), HoopyFrood(877), [del]ThingFish(901-903)[/del], TexCat(908), HalBriston(923)

Boozahol Squid (2): [del]HoopyFrood(286-877)[/del], [del]Angelofthenorth(303-554[/del]), [del]CaptainKlutz(487-699)[/del], Guiri(772), [del]Angelofthenorth(778-873)[/del], snfaulkner(83)

Khameleon (2): Meeko(319), [del]ThingFish(632-901)[/del], ThingFish(903)

Enderw24 (1): [del]Nanook(28-528)[/del], Crys75(34)
Crys75 (1): BoozaholSquid(499)
Sachertorte (1): [del]Johnny Bravo(14-536)[/del], [del]Prof. Pepperwinkle(339-398)[/del], Prof.Pepperwinkle(692)
ThingFish (1): [del]Pleonast(141-345)[/del], Diggitcamara(691)
HockeyMonkey (1): Lakai(704)
Diggitcamara (1): [del]Guiri(740-772)[/del], Paulwhoisaghost(796)
Pleonast (1): [del]Paulwhoisaghost(116-158)[/del], [del]Plumpudding(222-552)[/del], HookerChemical(814)

ToeJam (0): [del]HookerChemical(9-708)[/del], [del]snfaulkner(17-299)[/del], [del]BillMC(23-673)[/del], [del]Sinjin(53-632)[/del], [del]Biotop(112-296)[/del], [del]CaptainKlutz(118-298)[/del], [del]Angelofthenorth(134-303)[/del]

Non-voters (2): Koldanar, Scathach[/spoiler]

[Prof.Pepperwinkle]

But wait, there’s more! A third body was found….in a really weird position. It was hanging from the top of the local church, dangling from the cross on the steeple. It had…a potato stuffed in its mouth. It might have even suffocated/choked on the potato before dying of other causes. Weird…and….well, weird.

Thing Fish is also dead. He was the Omega Wolf.

Anybody else remember Mahaloth and his potatoes? This means something, and may be why Thing Fish died.

So long, Idle! Sorry to see you go! Catch you next time around.

[Total_Lost]

@Hal_Briston

Part of the beauty (or horror) of this setup is that much of this list is completely on the level. She didn’t know who the Mafia were any more than we did.

My point. I see no way lists are helping us.

That being said I totally didn’t see either of the dead Scum acting Scummy.

Guess I need to re-think a thing or two…
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[AngeloftheNorth]

I guess we can trust now that Pleo and ToeJam probably aren’t wolves?
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[Lakai]

@Nanook_of_the_North_Shore

Considering that the day doc killer is also a wolf, I doubt that’s the cause of the extra death. And if you mean that the Beta Wolf died using her power, it only triggers on a successful protection, so that still means another killer out there.

Yes, you are right. I forgot that the doc killers operate on opposite times from their team kill.

On a personal note, I’m sorry to see Idle Thoughts go. He PM’ed me about this mafia reunion game because he remembered me in a game we played together ten years ago. Thanks for invite Idle!

[paulwhoisaghost]

@Total_Lost

I fail to see the logic here. Why would a list “prevents them from being able to suddenly shift their opinions without reason”. Given the fact that a list doesn’t force anyone making them to give a reason in the first place?
And I also fail to see why changing you mind and why a shift of opinions is a Scum-tell. I think we all have to state what we thing - and to give reasons for this is - IMO - more important that to just make a list of “I feel townie-vibes” and “Scummy-pings”.

Did you even do a list? I can’t find it right now…

So which of the two are you most suspicions of now? And what info are you pending? Would that be a responds from one of them?

Ok… maybe an example will help?

Let’s say NAF makes a leans list on D2. He hasn’t been a very prolific poster, and it would appear he is either falling behind or is lurking. The leans list is just names and leans, no explanation… but it’s better than nothing. On this list he says he has a slight town lean on Storyteller.
Fast forward to D7. Storyteller has accumulated a few votes and NAF drive by votes for Story. Given how little NAF has participated, it isn’t likely we can many conclusions from their posts, but we can compare their earlier lean list to their actions. It shows that somehow Story went from slight town lean to the scummiest vote available, or NAF isn’t being genuine.

That’s one example that I see as being valid in this game.

No I did not make a lean list. I prefer to expand on my opinions of players and at least reference posts that I think were important in determining how I feel about other players. I’ve been vocal enough that I didn’t think it necessary to make a list, but if requested I would do one.

These lean lists tell us very little right now… but as they repeat and in late game they will show a pattern of being genuine or contradictory. If scum want to falsify their lists, fine… when they start voting or posting contrary to their lists it will just raise suspicion on them.

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[GuiriEnEspana]

And an updated player list for completeness, nice to see other colors:[spoiler]The Living

1. AngeloftheNorth
2. BillMc
3. Biotop
4. Boozahol Squid, P.I.
5. bufftabby
6. Captain Klutz
7. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
8. crys75
9. [del]DaphneBlack[/del]Lakai 2
10. DiggitCamara
11. EnderW24
12. Guiri
13. Hal Briston
14. hawkeyeop
15. Hockey Monkey
16. HookerChemical
17. Hoopy Frood
18. Inner Stickler
19. Johnny Bravo
20. Khameleon
21. Koldanar
22. LightFoot
23. Meeko
24. MHaye
25. Nanook of the North Shore
26. Nesta
27. Pleonast
28. Plumpudding
29. [del]Precambrian mollusk[/del]Cygnus 42
30. Prof. Pepperwinkle
31. Raventhief
32. Sachertorte
33. Scathach
34. sinjin
35. snfaulkner
36. Sunny Daze
37. Texcat
38. Toejam
39. Total Lost
40. [del]Winston Smith[/del]Paulwhoisaghost
41. Zeriel

The Deceased
12. Dante G – ModKilled D1 –Vanilla Town
29. Lakai 1 – Lynched D1 - Vanilla Town
35. Normal Phase – Daykilled D1 - Investigative Journalist
45. septimus – Daykilled D1 - EMT
48. Suburban Plankton – Nightkiled N1 (1) Homicide Detective
9. Colby11 – Nightkilled N1 – Vanilla Town
5. brewha – Lynched D2 – Vanilla Town
8. Chronos – Daykilled D2 - Mason
15. Drain Bead - Nightkilled N2 - Leprechaun
41. Red Skeezix - Modkilled D3 - Vanilla Town
43. Sario – poofed D3 - Wizard
23. Idle Thoughts - Lynched D3 - Vanilla Town
26. jsgoddess - Daykilled D3 - Beta Wolf
51. Thing Fish - Daykilled D3 - Alpha Wolf[/spoiler]

[TexCat]

I’ve got to think that the third kill means that we have a hostile 3rd party somewhere, perhaps part of LUTHA, perhaps in addition to LUTHA. They don’t seem hostile right now because they’ve scored us a wolf, but how long will that last? And what were they up to on nights 1 & 2?

@Prof.Pepperwinkle

Anybody else remember Mahaloth and his potatoes? This means something, and may be why Thing Fish died.

So long, Idle! Sorry to see you go! Catch you next time around.

Potatoes??

@AngeloftheNorth

I guess we can trust now that Pleo and ToeJam probably aren’t wolves?

Yep, but unfortunately, they could still be mafia.

[bufftabby]

Fair trade.
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[DiggitCamara]

@Hoopy_Frood

(snip)

Yeah, that’s the second time you’ve done that this game. (At least, I think it was you. I can’t be arsed to go check for certain.)

No need to rub it in. Luckily, this isn’t a gastard game because I would be toast for sure.

[DiggitCamara]

@Hoopy_Frood

I just want to go on record as saying I have strong town leanings on Normal Phase and Chronos…

This post pings me very, very strongly because obviously only necromancers could know the alignment of dead players.

:eek:

[LightFoot]

@Johnny_Bravo

Anonymous animals currently squinting at the roles list:

Axolotl
Dolphin
Ifrit
Lemur
Pumkpin
Axolotl (2)
Chipmunk

Clearly one of the two Axototl(s?) is scum impostering as an innocent salamander.

I need a bunch more information from you to understand this

[DiggitCamara]

@paulwhoisaghost

See… and this doesn’t make sense to me either… who is this wolf trying to get protection from?

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Sorry, wrong time. I meant Daytime protection of course.

[DiggitCamara]

@jsgoddess

I too am really bothered by DiggitCamara, especially the vote on Thing Fish for something snfaulkner, Angel, Koldenar, and I did too (maybe others. I just glanced back to get a rough idea of the number). It feels like someone grabbing something in passing and trying to make a big deal of it.

In short, every time I notice DG, I feel like he’s doing something weird.

Kind of feel vindicated by this post.

[Lakai]

@AngeloftheNorth

I guess we can trust now that Pleo and ToeJam probably aren’t wolves?
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Thing Fish had a fishy thing for Pleo. He kept making a case for him every Day it seems.

Lightfoot (288), HookerChemical (295-621), ThingFish(297-1000), jsgoddess(976-1038) all voted for Pleo on Day Two and Paulwhoisaghost(116-158), Plumpudding(222-552), and HookerChemical(814) voted for Pleo in Day Three.

Maybe we can infer that the wolves have a strategy of sorts and that if Thing Fish wanted to build a case against Pleo, then maybe other wolves would do the same thing. **Jsgoddess **did vote for Pleo when it wasn’t that popular on Day 2. That makes **HookerChemical **seem pretty scummy to me for his votes on Pleo on Days two and three.

[paulwhoisaghost]

@Total_Lost

@Paul - can you link to where you posted you suspicion of DiggitCamera first?

Which time? I know I’ve posted a lot, but I’m surprised you asked me for this.

So here you go… behind the spoiler are multiple posts from D2.

@paulwhoisaghost

I agree with this. But will add that you forgot 3rd parties which could also benefit town. At this point the odds are in our favor.

I’m still trying to catch up, but it’s even harder now that I am trying to stay caught up on D2 as well. So bear with me if I missed something.

I don’t like this jump off of Colby. I know he flipped town… I also know almost everyone has looked at that bandwagon… but did anyone else look at those that jumped wagon? Septimus was town… I believe he was the first to jump wagon… but I see a strong motivation for scum to jump wagon once it seemed to be full steam ahead. They help get the wagon going with their vote… then when it’s going full speed they bail so that they keep a clean vote record. I also think they would have wanted to have a diversified vote record, so if there was scum on the bandwagon then it makes sense for some of them to jump off so they would be grouped together. I also believe that this strategy would have occurred to both teams which would mean that it’s possible that both teams had someone jump wagon.

I’m gonna ** Vote DiggitCamara **.

Back to reading. No idea how any of you are rereading.
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@paulwhoisaghost

Was this ever resolved? I didn’t see it resolve. I’m already suspicious of DiggitCamara, so I’m biased… but to me this looks like it could be an attempt to communicate intended kill targets from one scum team to the other. Otherwise why so obviously botch the tagging… DiggitCamara didn’t have any problems with tags up til this point.

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@paulwhoisaghost

Bolding mine.

I’m leaning toward a theory where Crys is telling the truth and Brewha is a lying scum who doesn’t actually have the switch she claims and was hoping for a town counterclaim. That way they take out the townie… and maybe Brewha is in hot water, but if they aren’t actually holding that switch, scum would have gained sole control of the Batswitch.

** Unvote DiggitCamara **
I have even more problems with DiggitCamara toDay… and will compile those when I can get off my phone and on a computer… but for now, the Crys/Brewha race is a lot more pressing.

[Color=blue]**Vote Brewha **[/vote]

Of the two, I’d much rather lynch a liar who had a very scummy motivation to lie than a self proclaimed 3rd party that may or may not be communicating in code.

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I have also commented on Diggit toDay, most notably I did a WoW in post 115.

You can easily find all of my posts on any player by searching the thread for that player’s name and then narrowing the search to posts made by me. I almost exclusively use Tapatalk and I do this all the time. It’s even easier to do on computer and I invite you to give it a shot next time.

Does that sufficiently show you where I have been suspicious of Diggit? Where do you stand? I find it odd that you ask for all this info from myself and other players, but don’t actually take a stance or address their stance.

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[raventhief]

So someone took aim at thing fish on a previous day, only for it to auto fail as he was alpha.

[paulwhoisaghost]

@Hoopy_Frood

There are 4 lights!..um…I mean 14 scum!

I just finished watching this series for the first time. Now I’m working on DS9… it’s not as good.
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[Johnny_Bravo]

Stick with it. It gets really good before falling off towards the very end.

[AngeloftheNorth]

@Lakai

Thing Fish had a fishy thing for Pleo. He kept making a case for him every Day it seems.

Lightfoot (288), HookerChemical (295-621), ThingFish(297-1000), jsgoddess(976-1038) all voted for Pleo on Day Two and Paulwhoisaghost(116-158), Plumpudding(222-552), and HookerChemical(814) voted for Pleo in Day Three.

Maybe we can infer that the wolves have a strategy of sorts and that if Thing Fish wanted to build a case against Pleo, then maybe other wolves would do the same thing. **Jsgoddess **did vote for Pleo when it wasn’t that popular on Day 2. That makes **HookerChemical **seem pretty scummy to me for his votes on Pleo on Days two and three.

I think you may be right. I also think that maybe it makes it more likely that Pleo is Mafia? I never really understood what he was going on about with Thing Fish, but given that he was right, perhaps it was a form of PIS?
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