Mafia Reunion - Day Two

[Pleonast]

Omnibus post again. Sorry I can’t participate more frequently, but I want to make the contributions I do make useful.

I’m reading through Day and Night One afresh, with the knowledge of the alignment of the dead. If my notes are correct:
Town:
Lakai
Normal Phase
septimus
Suburban Plankton
colby11

@Scathach

@Biotop

From my count the following players did not post to Night0 at all. **

AngeloftheNorth
Nesta
Lakai
DaphneBlack
Hal Briston
Winston Smith **

I hope they are in the game.

I don’t see the point here. Either they’re playing or they aren’t. The game hadn’t actually started in Night Zero. This comes across as a bit too “helpful townie” to me.

Gah, this still pings me badly. There is no threshold above which being helpful to Town is too much. Calling out players for being helpful to Town is by definition anti-Town. I’m having trouble seeing any Towny motivation for this.

@Thing_Fish

Link to my original post.

@Pleonast

Because I’m concerned about what Scum might do. Each Scum team is figuring out how to counter town roles on their own boards. Why should we help them by discussing what we might do?

Instead, let’s talk about what they might do, so that each town role can better decide for themself (without possibly accidently revealing their tactics here) what to do about it.

(An aside: have so many of us forgotten how scum play the game?)

The above reply to me is snipped from a larger Pleonast post.

That doesn’t address the issue at all. It’s one thing to think of a possible Scum strategy and come up with ways to counter it (which might very well involve advising Town power roles on how they should play). But if you think of a good Scum strategy which you* can’t* identify a way to counter, why would you bring that up? It’s just doing the scum’s work for them.

Ordinarily, I would just see this as poor play without scum motivation; if you were really scum wanting to discuss strategy with your teammates, you could just do it on the scum board. But in the case of this particular strategy, which involves not reading the scum board, there is obvious scum motivation. It reads to me like you could be scum advising your teammates on how to play and/or hinting to them that you are that seventh guy who didn’t show up to chat.

I missed something when I first read this, probably because I was distracted by the aggressiveness. There seems to be some underlying “perfect” information that only Scum would have.

First, what is meant by “this particular strategy”? I don’t see what it’s referring to. Second, the “scum advising your teammates on how to play and/or hinting to them that you are that seventh guy who didn’t show up to chat”. While Scum roles do not include teammate information, we have no indication whether or not their secret boards include teammate information. But Thing Fish does know that.

@Johnny_Bravo

@bufftabby

for trying to turn an anthill into Everest.

Just to be clear, you’re voting me because I answered the question you directed at me?

On re-read, this post really bothers me. It’s too defensive and misrepresents what bufftabby said.

@Plumpudding

Push as much as you want, I’m not gonna place a vote now if I don’t feel it’s a worthwhile one. If you have a problem with that, place down a vote or piss off.

I apparently missed this before. Taunting another player for calling them out for anti-Town behavior. Votes, and reaction to votes, is the best info we have in the early game. Why be so aghast for being called out for not engaging?

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This is taking to long… Going to have skip ahead to Night 1. I’ll try to finish reading Day 1 later.

@Inner_Stickler

This thread is so long, apologies if you’ve addressed this already, but are you planning to continue voting for multiple people even though only the first vote will ‘count’?

Yes. All I have to offer is my analyses, so I’m going to make them as clear as possible. Plus, I find having an explicit list prevents me from getting tunnel vision. I think too many players find someone to vote for and park it there. That’s lazy and does little to help us. If it makes you feel better, I’ll not color them blue.

@AngeloftheNorth

Idle hates playing scum, and all of this is circumstantial evidence of being scum to me.

I hate meta-arguments, but this exact one has been bothering me.

@AngeloftheNorth

This post pings me because of the mention of Lakai. Lakai I is dead, why are you repeating your suspicion of him? I’ve only ever seen scum do this.

I appreciate jsgoddess doing so. They were reiterating their suspicions from the previous Day. Calling out one’s own mistakes is not anti-Town.

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My votes, in no order except most suspicious first:
unvote
vote Thing Fish for knowledge about secret Scum boards in D1.253.
vote Scathach for scolding a player for being too helpful to Town in D1.35.
vote Johnny Bravo for being too defensive and misrepresenting another’s case in D1.265.
vote Plumpudding for refusing to vote when called on it in D1.401.

What players will potentially be subjected to moderator action at the end of Day 2 due to lack of participation?

I see no good reason to lynch anyone on that list. On the other hand, I do see good reason to lynch anyone who’s participating little and not on it. (Yeah, I’m probably subject to that; so be it.)

vote Idle Thoughts for participating just enough to avoid the mod-hammer but otherwise contributing almost nothing for us to work with.