Hmmm… have you always wanted to to wear two scarves at once? 'Cuz you’ll be able to, after we stretch your neck! 
I was just being cautious about Kat and nesta. I don’t want to rush into revealing roles just in case it leads to a mistake.
Kat and nesta are both Cabalists.
My top two picks for Scum out of the unknown list are **Zoggie ** and DiggitCamara. The rest, I really don’t have a good read on yet.
Or not. Best not to assume too much in this game.
If **sachertorte **is right, that is extremely good for the town, as it means more townies alive and possibly the complete demise of the Cabal.
Thank goodness! Thanks, other scum. I was somewhat beginning to get worried that the town had devolved into a plurality instead of a majority.
Here’s our opening player list, now:
- Idle Thoughts - Town? - Witchdoctor
- Diomedes - Town - Witch - Mother
- Kat - Cabal
- Hockey Monkey - Town - Detective
- CatInASuit -Undead
- HazelNutCoffee - ???
- Hal Briston - Town
- DiggitCamara - ???
- Drain Bead - Town
- Blaster Master - Town (Omega?)
- Rysto - Witch - Crone
- nesta - Cabal
- amrussell - Town - Freemason
- fluiddruid - Wolf
- Santos Rugger - ???
- Fretful Porpentine - Wolf
- MadThedotchan - ???
- Zoggie - ???
- MHaye - Wolf
- sachertorte - Town - Coroner
- One and Only Wanderers - Cabal
- ShadowFacts - Town (Omega?)
Zombie Count: 2
One of those Questionable folks, obviously, is the third Witch.
Some questions, thoughts, ponderings, musings:
Is there a Vig left? If we do definitely have an alive Vig, we could lynch MHaye today instead of CatintheHat, the Vig could kill the Cat toNight, and the wolves would be forced to use another wolf to do their killing tonight. HockeyMonkey would then be able to identify another Wolf tomorrow. On the other hand, the scum now know Townies to kill, and the final Cabalist (I’m pretty sure there’s one left) has a host of people to block.
Where do the scum stand? The Wolves, still, are everyone’s primary enemies, I think. Even moreso than the town. If Cat is the Necromancer, the Vampire is now reduced to a Serial Killer. If Cat is the Vampire, the Necro is a lone Mad Bomber who needs the game to go on for at least three more days, if we have two nightkills per day.
If I or the other Witch dies, the final Cabalist becomes a Survivor.
Both of these factions need the Wolves to die in order to accelerate their win conditions.
The Wolves, on the other hand, still have two members left (plus DeadManWalking MHaye), including one who might be disguised amongst the ‘confirmed’ townies. They can’t win until the game is reduced to three people, and have essentially been reduced to the role of spoiler. While their winning possibilities have been very much reduced, everyone still needs them dead.
What Secret Powers are in play? All three of the Witches have an additional power. Hockey has a secret power. Idle has a secret power. I’m guessing we all have some additional feat that may or may not change everything here. Cat, for one, is obviously trying to insinuate that he has some sort of secret power that will help him win if he gets lynched. I don’t know if I believe him.
What do the Witches do tonight? Okay, this one doesn’t really have anything to do with most of you folks, but it’s something I’m concerned about: with the death of Rysto, we can either investigate or protect, but not both. Do we try to save our power roles (like me) tonight, or increase our town knowledge. Idle, obviously, really ought to contact Rysto tonight if he actually is the pro-town Witchdoctor with the secret power he professes… if I die, and we decide to investigate, he could reveal that knowledge without the third Witch having to come forward. That is, unless there’s a dead Seer somewhere out there.
Ouch, I was thinking of three Cabalists in the game myself. That has gotta hurt.
Hey does that mean we get a free ride tonight. Go on guys you know you want to 
This is a total no-brainer to me: You should be in protect mode. We have a lot of information to work with now and there is at least one other investigative role. Obviously we cannot talk about WHO you should protect, but you’ve got plenty of good options to choose from.
[Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade]
Choose…wisely.
[/Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade]
I should add that I absolutely agree on Zoggie. She isn’t the third Witch, for one. And her comment on the Cabal still smacks of ‘new Mafia player playing dumb’ to me. I really believe she’s a fourth Cabalist. DiggitCamara was absolutely in my wolf category until sache revealed that two Cabalists had died last night. That opened up two new townies slots in my guess of the game set-up. He’s actually third in my list after HNC for scum, right now. I really feel HazelNutCoffee is scum as well, and probably the other Undead.
Okay, I said I’d probably take the weekend off, but I have to make comments with the further developments based on sachetorte’s assertion that both nesta and kat are cabal.
So let’s assume for a moment that Sach, Hockey, and Dio are all telling the truth… that means we have 2 wolves, another undead, and a possibly one more cabalist, as well as a witch, at least one freemason, and possibly a seer or vig or vicar amongst 7 players (if you count me and Shadow as possible omega wolf candidates). If I were to take a guess, I’d guess the cabalists are gone, leaving three scum, and the other four are a witch, a vicar (there almost has to be a vicar because there was no zombie the first Night), at least one free mason, and if there’s not two of them, then some other minor role (like scottsman).
Now, based on Dio’s report, that means that I’m also quite inclined to trust Shadow, because he was “the hammer” on fluid, and being that the only role he could be, besides a pro-town role, is the omega-wolf, thus, I bet he’s pro-town.
What does this mean? Well, this changes a LOT. Let’s assume we lynch Cat today. If he’s the vampire, that means the other undead has to survive a few Days, but because he’d be in the unconfirmed, targetting him would be foolish for the wolves, since they only have a small group in which to hide… they’d let the town do their work for them since we HAVE to go after the group to find either the last undead or the last of the wolves. If Cat is the necromancer, they’ll both probably realize that they can’t afford to take stabs in the unconfirmed pool, and will target confirmed people.
So, I’m left going back to reconsider the idea of a mass-claim. Here’s what I see possibly happening…
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Of those 7 people, we definitely get the other witch, who is then confirmable by Dio.
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We get at least one free-mason who, if not me or Shadow, can consider checking us out to confirm we’re not the omega-wolf. Of course, they’ll need to checkout eachother first, which then makes them a threat to the omega-wolf and likely wolf targets.
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We are afforded an opportunity to determine the best level of coordination amongst the role-claims which we find most compelling. This could be used to our advantage to maximize a degree of uncertainty about how protections will be placed and possibly force scum killers to consider less valuable claimed roles (like masons) or possibly even eachother.
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Further, doing so Today will force the scum to make claims without consulting eachother, which means we may see some contradictions, miscommunications, or whatever that we wouldn’t see if they were allowed to communicate with this information in mind.
Now, I’m not saying we should do this right now, but I do want to have the opinions of other players.
Anyway, based on the information we have available, here’s where I think the town’s trustability chart stands:
Either town or best scum EVER:
Diomedes
Sachetorte
Either town or Omega-Wolf:
Blaster Master
ShadowFacts
Believable Claims that don’t need to be tested until we have eliminated the rest:
Hockey Monkey
Idle Thoughts
Big fat ? (this group contains at least one Wolf, exactly one Undead, and at least one Free-Mason if Hockey Monkey is to be believed):
DiggitCamara
HazelNutCoffee
Dotchan
Santos Rugger
Zoggie
Probably Scum:
MHaye
Definitely scum:
CatinaSuit (he was called out AND essentially confessed)
Now, based on this, I HIGHLY recommend that if we have a Vig, he should come forward. First, by doing so, it allows us to analyze his claim. Second, again assuming Hockey Monkey is truthful, he has a 100% shot at scum, which means if MHaye doesn’t die, either there’s a Cabal who blocked him or he’s a Wolf (and why the Cabal would block a Wolf kill… I dunno). If MHaye DOES die, it means he’s either the Vig or the Vampire Undead (if Cat isn’t the Vampire, that is). So, potentially, if Cat is the Vampire, and MHaye ends up dead, that means he’s pretty much 100% confirmed, he used his power well, and he increases the confirmed pool which helps protect other roles.
Further if ANY of the Free-Masons can confirm another Free-Mason (other than amrussell, of course), it is probably advisable that you come forward.
Okay, I’m done… PLEASE, I’d like to hear comments on these thoughts.
My only question at the moment is: What would keep the scum from killing off the non-protected roles? Are the witches and witch-doctor going to be playing However-Many-Card Monte once we mass claim?
Well, first of all, assuming Idle is truthful, we have the potential for two protects tonight at face value. Second, according to Dio, each Witch has a secret power… considering the witches have the normal powers (as all three) to investigate and to block, it’s not unreasonable to guess that, since Rysto could investigate, then probably either Dio or the other witch likely has some sort of one time use protective power. And, depending on how Dio rates things if it’s his power, then Lord knows what he would consider a more useful power at this point.
Not to mention, we have OTHER roles that may have useful secret powers. To take some not too far off the wall guesses… maybe the Vig can be a martyr one Night instead of a killer? Maybe the Free-massons can watch-eachother. Maybe the warlock, instead of casting his death on someone else, can cast someone else’s death elsewhere on a given Night.
I guess I should break up my questions more specifically:
Should the Free-Masons consider claiming? I think yes.
Should the last Witch consider claiming? Maybe, maybe not… depends on the rest of the information we gather.
Should the Seer, if he’s out there, consider claiming? I think yes.
Should the vig, if he’s out there, consider claiming? I think yes.
Should the remaining scum consider claiming? Without a doubt! 
I want to bring this up for discussion can either see good reasons to do so if they were against it… or good reasons not to, if they’re in favor of it.
**MHaye ** is definitely a Wolf. If he were the Vigilante…a) he wouldn’t have killed amrussell a possible pro-town at the time, and b) since he did kill amrussell, if he were the Vig, he would have had to target himself last night.
**MHaye ** is a big stinking furry Werewolf.
Blaster, the problem with the Vig claim is one of the scum could easily do it, and we have no proof that there actually is a Vig. If we trust the claimant, we should lynch MHaye and let the Vig kill CatInASuit. If the Vig claim is a lie, the real Vig could still do the killing, but if there isn’t a Vig, then we would still have 100% chance of 2 scum driven kills tonight. I personally would rather take the 50/50 chance on getting the Vampire toDay. Then the Wolf identities will be easy. (Provided I live that long.)
I think if we have any Freemasons left that can confirm each other, then yes claim. If not, then no.
Might as well verify the other Witch while **Diomedes ** is still alive to do it. The more roles we have out, the more confused the scum will be on which one of us to kill and whick one(s) of us are protected.
If there is a Seer who can supply any additional information, then yes claim. If not, then no. Not toDay.
I read and understand all that, but I still find her suspicious and enough to vote for her. I guess your mileage varies.
Anyway, catching up now. I’m starting the last page right this minute but so far: Man, oh man, are we now in business. Now my trust is finally starting to come out a lot more against sach and I’m leaning strongly toward believing Dio and Hockey too (those are the only two I have seen claim so far in catching up).
Hopefully we can all work together now to try to win this.
I’ll be changing my vote just as soon as I catch up fully.
Vote CatInASuit.
Do I have to explain why?
And HockeyMonkey?
This is false.
OK, I’m not 100% positive you stink. 
No, he’s definitely stinky. He’s just the Littlest Werewolf of Them All.
Two things that I feel I must clarify.
- I can bring back people from the dead no matter how long they’ve been dead. Even if they are a zombie currently, I can bring them back, just as long as they died at Night. I can NOT bring back lynches that happened in the Day.
This means, if I wanted to, I could bring back someone who died at Night wayyyyy back on Night One, even if it’s Night Eleven, currently. And everyone can have it once (although, again, if it doesn’t work/bring them back, I may enchant them again).
I’m not asking for players, though, that I should bring back. I wouldn’t want suggestions, nor would I take them. I’m just clearing that up just in case it wasn’t clear. Me, I like to keep scum guessing who I may possibly be enchanting at Night. 
Sorta like a game of cat and mouse.
Even if we lose Hockey or sach, I could bring them back eventually…but it all hinges on a few things.
- If I get blocked or not. As long as there is one Cablist still around, it’s possible.
- Scum may try for my head if they know I’m not enchanting myself. This is why I won’t ever say who I’m enchanting (obviously) in here and won’t take suggestions.
If we find the last one and kill them, I can bring a Witch back as long as I have some sort of protection.
Thing is, my survivial hinges on your protection now that I’m outed. Otherwise I’m just spend enchanting myself the rest of the game and doing no good for Town.
Unfortunatly.
I guess the only thing we can do is try to do exactly what scum things we wouldn’t do.
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Actually, I would like to hear why. I assume because you are voting for **CatInASuit **that you believe **Dio’s **claim.
But you say that Hockey Monkey is wrong about you being a wolf. Does that mean **Hockey **is lying? If so, why not vote for him? Wouldn’t you think his whole claim is scummy?
Let me be more direct: **Hockey **says you killed amrussell. Is that a lie?