Mafia: The Conspiracy

[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
Two things that I feel I must clarify.

  1. I can bring back people from the dead no matter how long they’ve been dead. Even if they are a zombie currently, I can bring them back, just as long as they died at Night. I can NOT bring back lynches that happened in the Day.

This means, if I wanted to, I could bring back someone who died at Night wayyyyy back on Night One, even if it’s Night Eleven, currently. And everyone can have it once (although, again, if it doesn’t work/bring them back, I may enchant them again).

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See, on the one hand, this makes me want to believe you more. A scum who was claiming wouldn’t want to talk much about his role, for fear of screwing things up for himself and having people look too closely into it.

On the other hand, your description of your role is, in fact, contrary to the description of it according to the game:

What’re your thoughts on that, Idle?

Also, Idle, have you used your strange juju on any of the Night deaths so far?

[QUOTE=Diomedes]
See, on the one hand, this makes me want to believe you more. A scum who was claiming wouldn’t want to talk much about his role, for fear of screwing things up for himself and having people look too closely into it.

On the other hand, your description of your role is, in fact, contrary to the description of it according to the game:

What’re your thoughts on that, Idle?
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That “one day” means it will be one full Day after I enchant them before we get them back in the game.

Say I enchant myself toNight and I get killed. Then TomorroDay I will not be around but will be resurrected, instead, the next Dawn Day.

Say I enchant amr or Rysto ToNight. Then TomorrowDay is the “one day” we all have to wait before they join us again the next Dawn Day.

[QUOTE=dotchan]
Also, Idle, have you used your strange juju on any of the Night deaths so far?
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Why? Curious if anyone’s coming back Tomorrow? :stuck_out_tongue:
I haven’t yet. Everyone is still able to be enchanted.

But haven’t amr and Rysto already been killed, making them ineligible to be re enchanted?

[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
Two things that I feel I must clarify.

  1. I can bring back people from the dead no matter how long they’ve been dead. Even if they are a zombie currently, I can bring them back, just as long as they died at Night. I can NOT bring back lynches that happened in the Day.

This means, if I wanted to, I could bring back someone who died at Night wayyyyy back on Night One, even if it’s Night Eleven, currently. And everyone can have it once (although, again, if it doesn’t work/bring them back, I may enchant them again).

I’m not asking for players, though, that I should bring back. I wouldn’t want suggestions, nor would I take them. I’m just clearing that up just in case it wasn’t clear. Me, I like to keep scum guessing who I may possibly be enchanting at Night. :cool: Sorta like a game of cat and mouse.
Even if we lose Hockey or sach, I could bring them back eventually…but it all hinges on a few things.

  1. If I get blocked or not. As long as there is one Cablist still around, it’s possible.
  2. Scum may try for my head if they know I’m not enchanting myself. This is why I won’t ever say who I’m enchanting (obviously) in here and won’t take suggestions.

If we find the last one and kill them, I can bring a Witch back as long as I have some sort of protection.

Thing is, my survivial hinges on your protection now that I’m outed. Otherwise I’m just spend enchanting myself the rest of the game and doing no good for Town.
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You know, I’ve never really believed your role claim. Your belligerence, your inability/refusal to listen to other posters, and your insistence that other players must do what YOU want have rubbed me wrong ever since you claimed. Nevertheless, I didn’t vote for you because you could actually be a Witchdoctor with a bad attitude. And I’m not going to vote for you now because we’ve got bigger and better fish to fry. But while other people may be putting you in their “mostly confirmed” column, I’ve got my eye firmly on you, ‘cause I think you’re probably lying. And I find your fishing for Witch protection here to be, well, fishy, and exactly what scum would want.

As to your point #1, here’s what it says in the Rules:
“Witchdoctor: each Night may enchant one Player who, if killed that Night, will come back from the dead the morning after the next Night. Each Player may only be saved this way once. The Player who is killed and comes back will know the Identity of his killer.”
Obviously at this point, these Rules as posted do not cover everything as everyone seems to have secret powers, so let’s look at the PM you helpfully posted for us:

[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
You are a Witchdoctor. Each Night you may enchant one Player who, if killed that Night, will come back from the dead the morning after the next Night. Please PM or email me your target before the end of each Night. Each Player may only be saved this way once. As the Speaker for the Dead, you have a Secret Power: once per game, instead of enchanting a Player, you may instead talk with the soul of a dead Townie. You will learn any and all information they have. Because dead Witches have access to the results of the living Witches, you can learn a lot by consulting a dead Witch. The dead Witch will even to report back to her living sisters information you have (such as what actions you have taken).
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It seems very clear to me based on those two quotes that you CANNOT do what you say above, that is, bring someone back from many nights ago. It says you pick someone during the day and if you get lucky that night, they come back on a pre-determined schedule. No picking someone from a while ago.

I’m sure you have an explanation for that.

EBWOP: And I see Dio has chimed in similarly already. Should have previewed…

Anyway, my post is more detailed :stuck_out_tongue:

[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
That “one day” means it will be one full Day after I enchant them before we get them back in the game.

Say I enchant myself toNight and I get killed. Then TomorroDay I will not be around but will be resurrected, instead, the next Dawn Day.

Say I enchant amr or Rysto ToNight. Then TomorrowDay is the “one day” we all have to wait before they join us again the next Dawn Day.
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You are lying or making a ridiculous mistake. I think you’re lying.

I’ll quote both the Rules and your PM again:
“Each Night you may enchant one Player who, if killed that Night, will come back from the dead the morning after the next Night.”

[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
Two things that I feel I must clarify.

  1. I can bring back people from the dead no matter how long they’ve been dead. Even if they are a zombie currently, I can bring them back, just as long as they died at Night. I can NOT bring back lynches that happened in the Day.

This means, if I wanted to, I could bring back someone who died at Night wayyyyy back on Night One, even if it’s Night Eleven, currently. And everyone can have it once (although, again, if it doesn’t work/bring them back, I may enchant them again).

I’m not asking for players, though, that I should bring back. I wouldn’t want suggestions, nor would I take them. I’m just clearing that up just in case it wasn’t clear. Me, I like to keep scum guessing who I may possibly be enchanting at Night. :cool: Sorta like a game of cat and mouse.
Even if we lose Hockey or sach, I could bring them back eventually…but it all hinges on a few things.

  1. If I get blocked or not. As long as there is one Cablist still around, it’s possible.
  2. Scum may try for my head if they know I’m not enchanting myself. This is why I won’t ever say who I’m enchanting (obviously) in here and won’t take suggestions.

If we find the last one and kill them, I can bring a Witch back as long as I have some sort of protection.

Thing is, my survivial hinges on your protection now that I’m outed. Otherwise I’m just spend enchanting myself the rest of the game and doing no good for Town.
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**MHaye ** isn’t the only one with a case of B.O. Man that just stunk up the whole thread. Made my hair stand on end, it did. However, Idle, you are going to have to go to the back burner to be dealt with later.

[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
You know, I’ve never really believed your role claim. Your belligerence, your inability/refusal to listen to other posters, and your insistence that other players must do what YOU want have rubbed me wrong ever since you claimed. Nevertheless, I didn’t vote for you because you could actually be a Witchdoctor with a bad attitude.
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While I wrote pretty much exactly what you wrote, I will say this about Idle: his attitude isn’t any sort of indication of scumminess. He’s always like this.

Not edited to avoid noogies from dotchan:

When I said ‘always’ in the above post, I was just referring to his attitude in Mafia games, not in anything else.

[QUOTE=Zoggie]
But haven’t amr and Rysto already been killed, making them ineligible to be re enchanted?
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What are you talking about? I can bring back any player back to life who has been killed. That’s the point of my power. I could bring back either of them (or both of them) over the course of the rest of the game. They both died at Night. Since my power entails the resurrected having known who killed them, it obviously wouldn’t work for those who are lynched in the Day.

Doesn’t matter if they were killed. I can enchant them and bring them back to life at any time (providing I’m not blocked in any way–if I’m killed the same Night, I have no idea if it works or not, but I assume it would).

[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
What are you talking about? I can bring back any player back to life who has been killed. That’s the point of my power. I could bring back either of them (or both of them) over the course of the rest of the game. They both died at Night. Since my power entails the resurrected having known who killed them, it obviously wouldn’t work for those who are lynched in the Day.

Doesn’t matter if they were killed. I can enchant them and bring them back to life at any time (providing I’m not blocked in any way–if I’m killed the same Night, I have no idea if it works or not, but I assume it would).
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Your explanation of your power doesn’t jibe with either good game design or Pleo’s explanation of your role in the rules.

[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
You know, I’ve never really believed your role claim.
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Yeah, well I’ve never believed you’re Town, so we’re even. You and Zoggie are on the top of my list as most suspicious people.

How about you actually quote me then? I don’t know WHERE or WHAT I’ve said that makes you think this. I have just not done it. Please quote me or link me to any post where I refuse to listen to anyone or insist on people doing what I want. For pete’s sakes, I’ve asked this before and those saying it can’t seem to deliver.

How do I have a bad attitude?

Yeah, yeah. I fully expect you to put suspicion on me in the Day since it’s too much of a risk to kill me off at Night since I could be self-enchanting. You’re just like Zoggie. I believe you are the Alpha Wolf if anyone is.

Sure do. I asked Pleonast and he said that I CAN bring back people from the dead no matter how long they’ve been dead. I have scores of PMs showing it if you wish to see them.

Since PMs are allowed to be posted, here you go, this is what I was told:

I then replied with and got the reply back of:

Now, from that, seems to me there is no time limit?

[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
You are lying or making a ridiculous mistake. I think you’re lying.

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And I think you’re scum trying to make it look like I’m lying when I’m not.

[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]

Yeah, yeah. I fully expect you to put suspicion on me in the Day since it’s too much of a risk to kill me off at Night since I could be self-enchanting. You’re just like Zoggie. I believe you are the Alpha Wolf if anyone is.
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He’s definitely not the Alpha Wolf. He’d be the Omega Wolf, if anything. But ShadowFacts was the hammer on fluiddruid, a wolf, yesterday. If he hadn’t voted for her, the vote would have been tied between her and Diggit, and we would have had a no-lynch. Do you think a Wolf would have killed one of their own just in order to get some extra townie cred? I don’t know if that would be a good trade for them, each dead wolf requires the wolves to kill two more non-Wolves in order to win.

Between this and your assertion that your power can make you into a mason by giving you ‘knowledge’ of the masonic sign, I’m really struggling to continue to believe anything you say about your role.

[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]

Now, from that, seems to me there is no time limit?
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THat makes me feel a little better about you. Read the PM again. Your ‘speak’ role has no time limit. You can’t resurrect the long-dead. That power may only be used on the living.

Your enchant power may only be used on the living from what I can understand there. You can speak to a long dead, but not resurrect them. You cannot bring back someone who is long dead…you may only talk to them.

[QUOTE=Diomedes]
He’s definitely not the Alpha Wolf. He’d be the Omega Wolf, if anything.
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That one then. Whatever the one is that investigates as a Town.

Considering I did exactly this in MV (in which I was scum), yes.

What assertion? You mean assumption there since, in all of my past posts, I’ve said “I assume this would be counted as info”.

Either way, I don’t know and you don’t know and nobody will ever know uniless I actually talk to a Freemason.