But as you can see, I planly ask in the second one “Resurrection” too, even going as far as to say “because I think it’d be cool to bring back long dead roles”. And since he didn’t say otherwise, I assumed the no-time limit accounts for all.
I’m sorry. I would have assumed you would have asked Pleo about this by now.
He specifically said that he was responding to your question about “speak-targets”. He said nothing regarding your question about resurrect targets. It’s a mistake to assume that his lack of an answer is an assertion to the positive.
Well, in any event, I’ve PMed Pleonast again for clarification on it.
Nah. It’s moot now since I actually know of (and happen to believe) other claims, which, in my opinion, I’d pick over Freemason.
In a way, yeah…but I don’t know why it’s considered wholely a mistake on my half when, as you see, I did ask that specifically and even gave an example of it (ressurection and the doing so of long-dead players).
Person A: Is there a time limit on speaking and raising the dead? Because I wouldn’t mind bringing back long-dead players.
Person B: There is no time limit on the speak target.
Without any clarification either way, I don’t see how it’s impossible for someone to think “He must mean no limit on raising the dead too since he didn’t say anything or correct me”.
It’s not impossible for someone to think that. It’s just not what he meant. You were wrong to assume that from that information. I don’t care whose mistake it was, nor who to blame about it. But I’m not going to trust much of what you say from now on in the game. Sorry, dude.
Idle, no offense, but though art being thick-headed again and bogging down the town with a useless argument. The rules specifically say you may only enchant a LIVING player, and Pleonast specifically says “speaking-target”. If you’re confused, I HIGHLY suggest you stop making assumptions and start PMing Pleonast and ask a simple and specific question like “May I resurrect someone who is already dead? If so, is there a limit on how long they’ve been dead?”
If you are town, which I’m still inclined to believe you are, this discussion is extremely counter-productive.
I’m also curious about your suspicion of ShadowFacts. You said you thought he might be the Alpha-Wolf. This is contradictory if you believe Diomedes is, in fact, a Witch. To my knowledge, the only role that can be misread by an investigative role is the Omega-Wolf.
Further, I agree that Zoggie is suspicious; however, we have two VERY important claims to discern. You implied earlier that you believed Hockey Monkey’s claim. You also implied you’re starting to trust Sach some, and you believed Dio’s claim. WHY keep your vote on Zoggie when, if you believe those claims, you have two people who are DEFINITELY 100% scum? Certain Cat, of all people, has practically confessed.
MHaye, you said that Hockey Monkey’s result on you is wrong. If it is, can you provide any evidence to counter her claim? Because, if there’s a Vig, you’re as good as dead Tonight. If not, you’re most likely as good as dead Tomorrow. You would be well advised to begin your defense and, if you have a credible and testable claim, to make it. If you say she’s lying and you’re pro-town, then it’s in your interest, and more importantly the town’s, to prove that she’s lying scum.
Shadowfacts.
You asked me a couple of questions [post=9092998]here[/post].
Firstly, yes, HockeyMonkey’s allegation that I killed amr is false.
If HockeyMonkey’s claim is false, then she must be scum, right? If she’s scum, what side?
If HM is Undead, then this is a risky ploy. She can’t know that I am not the other Undead, can she? Unless you want to postulate that the Undead can root out those with a similar necrophiliac bent. Also, right at this minute the Undead faction are in as good a shape as they can be. Both the Necromancer and the Vampire are still alive, the Necromancer has made two allies and the Vampire has (presumably) managed three kills. (I assume that there is one of each role). Why spoil it by taking the risk of having your co-conspirator unmasked?
If she’s Cabal or Wolf, this is much less risky because she’ll know the names of her fellow faction members and can avoid pointing the finger at them. Also there is more to gain for these factions, both of which have been hurt and (assuming Sachertorte’s statements are true) hurt badly. Either faction would benefit from the confusion this claim will cause. My guess is that the Cabal are in worse straits than the Wolves and thus would be more likely to risk such a gambit.
When you stop and actually look at her claim, there is only one piece of testable information in it. You can’t verify that there were five Werewolves active on Day 1 or one Vampire on Day 3 until the end of the game. All you can do is test me. Whether you lynch me Today or leave me for the investigator(s) to peep at Tonight, you won’t learn until Tomorrow that HM has led you up the garden path.
It did cross my mind that HM might really be a Detective, but that requires there to be a hidden power, presumably scumside, that enables one faction - Wolves being the ones that need it - to “spoof” detectives. That seems unlikely. Possible, given the burgeoning number of secret powers held by Town, but very unlikely.
The other question you asked was, do I believe Dio’s claim? The answer is, I don’t know. It is a credible claim in that it conforms to what I know about witches. Dio is alleging that CatinaSuit is a scumsider – specifically Undead. This is a testable claim. If we lynch Cat Today, we can learn whether Dio’s allegation is true or false. If it is false, then he’s a lying scum who is next for the chop. If it’s true it provides evidence in favour of his claim.
We won’t receive confirmation of Cat’s side until Nightfall on Night 5, but I think Sachertorte probably is what he claims, and his report of the side (and role if he chooses to give it) can be treated as accurate.
Obviously, the same argument can be made about testing HockeyMonkey’s claim by lynching me. Why Cat rather than me then?
Firstly because there is a way to test the issue without lynching me. Secondly, Dio’s claim is fairly credible and checking it gives you some additional confirmation of both he and Sachertorte. Thirdly I don’t want to die.
When faced with a claim like HMs, it’s not a good plan to lynch the Detective claimant unless very good evidence that the claim is false exists. Right now I don’t have that, other than my knowledge that I am town. So what I’m doing is putting it on the back burner to allow time for the investigative role(s) to check HM or I out.
I’m entirely with Blaster. I read your response to Shadow’s questions, and they seem reasonable. There is a chance that the witches might investigate you or Hockey tonight because of it.
However, your defense right now is entirely “I didn’t kill amrussell. Hockey’s lying”. I don’t want to tell you what to do, but a roleclaim right now would probably be a very wise thing to do.
<nitpick> Vampires prefer the living, I think. Only the necromancer would really qualify as a necrophiliac <np>
I agree, if she is lying, this would be a very foolsih move if she is undead. At the time of the claim, she would have HAD to have expected you would be lynched today and that tomorrow Sach would have revealed she lied and, if Sach was dead, it would have put a life expectancy of, at most, two Days with little to gain.
If she’s Cabal, it wouldn’t make sense because she would have known that three of her compatriots were dead prior to the claim. I would SERIOUSLY doubt there’s more than four, and then she’d STILL have a two day-max life expectancy and she’s essentially just a survivor at this point.
It MIGHT make sense if she’s a wolf. The number of wolves she would know is confirmable to her and manipulatable depending on how they would need to go. The number of vampires is also easier determined from the facts at hand. But we’d still have to wonder WHY she would sacrifice herself to get YOU lynched? If you’re town, what could she have thought you were to make it worth giving up her life to get you? Maybe you’re a fellow wolf and she’s doing it to gain some credibility? That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either.
Yes, she IS testable by lynching you. However, you’ve provided no real reason NOT to lynch you. You’re clearly not a Witch, based on Dio’s response to you. You’re obviously not a detective or witch doctor either. If you’re any other pro-town role, how much would it hurt for you to make a claim? Why haven’t you claimed yet?
I agree… unlikely and potentially VERY game breaking. Surely, it would have to be a one time use only power, or the detective would ALWAYS lead the town in the wrong direction making that role a detriment to the town. If it’s one-time only, then they’ve had HAD to have used it on that specific Night. Why would they have used that one time power that Night?
If this isn’t possible, what other explanation could you provide for how she’s wrong?
Well, not only is Dio’s claim believable, but he’s not well linked with Sach by his claim, and Sach’s confirmation, that Rysto is a Witch. We will know tomorrow, for sure, about Rysto and, if Sache is still alive, we’ll know with very high certainty the alignment of Cat and possibly Hockey Monkey, if there is a Vig and he targets you.
I agree… I want to have a discussion to determine the truthfulness of her claim versus your towniness. As far as I’m ocncerned, Cat is a foregone conclusion at this point.
Hey, that was MY joke from way back on Day One! :mad:
Just checking in - something unexpected kept me away from the computer yesterday and most of today. I’ll post something tomorrow, hopefully, after I gather my thoughts.
Of course **MHaye ** is going to dispute my findings. I am not suprised by that at all. For the remaining true Town members, please consider my claim carefully. I claimed as early in the Day as I could get to the computer in order to give us as much time as possible to debate and make a decision. I was afraid I was going to die last Night, and I agonized over whether or not it would be a good decision for me to step forward. I gave as much information and analysis as I had. I only wish it had been more. **MHaye ** and the remaining 2 Wolves know that I am right not only about MHaye, but about their number. I will probably die toNight and I did not want that information to go to the grave with me.
If **MHaye ** is not a Wolf, then **Pleonast ** is truly a Bastard Mod of Magnificent Proportion Not to be Trifled With Under Any Circumstances, because he’s the one that told me “**amrussell ** was killed by MHaye.”
Weird and Crazy Thought #118 (of an unlimited series running through my head during all this): MHaye is non-wolf with a one time use killing power, and the Cabal blocked one of the other killing powers? Then again, MHaye denies any and all knowledge of killing amrussell.
A question for you about your power (and Day Powers in general): I know it works during the Day, but when do you get the results on it? At Dusk, or as soon as Pleo can get back to you?
Oh, sorry BlaM. I didn’t remember that.
I get my results after the Dusk post.
Day one, I had to wait till Dusk, and was told of the 5 Wolves.
Day two, after the Dawn post, I waited until Sach revealed the Sides, and then pm’d Pleo. Result came after the Dusk post.
Same with Day three, I had to wait all day to get a result.
So far today, I have not decided what to do. I have until the Dusk deadline to get my instruction in. Then I get the info after Dusk post.
I doubt you’ll get a different result than MHaye, even if you guess which of the two kills were made by the wolves. There’s no reason for the wolves to change their killing agent if they don’t have to.
So, really…what you’re saying is: “I can understand why someone would make that mistake, yet I’m going to not trust you anymore regardless”?
Bolding mine.
My PM that I posted in here earlier:
Bolding mine.
So, what’s your beef? I’ve already done that as you can see.
Then why are people still going on about it?
Only thing is, I meant the one that could be mis-read. So that means I got the two mixed up and meant Omega.
Does it matter as long as I unvote and vote for someone else before the end of Day? What’s the rush? :dubious:
The reason I haven’t included my claim in my defence is that it doesn’t help. I’ve learned nothing from my power, because it’s passive.
Roleclaiming now will mean I don’t get to use it for its intended purpose. On the other hand, if I don’t claim and there is a Vig in the game, we’ll lose both him and I for the gain of one scum.
I really doubt whether we can afford to lose many more. I said upthread that I thought we started with 12 Townies out of 22, and that’s still my best guess. If it is as close as this, I think that we can’t afford to sacrifice two Townies for one scum.
Thus I’ll claim to avoid the possibility of inadvertantly being the cause of a second Townie’s doom.
I am a Warlock.
So far I have failed to enchant any player who died.
Not quite. What I’m saying is “There is a possibility that you could have made such a boneheaded mistake, but there’s just as a big a chance that you’re stirring up trouble with intentional mistakes in order to sow confusion.”
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