Can anybody figure out any way that a Warlock could have killed amrussell? I’m stumped. I know that **MHaye ** killed him, but I can’t figure how the Warlock would have. I just read the rules again and Warlock doesn’t fit. Warlock is also one of the roles I don’t think are in this game. This is a case of scum making a false claim to get out of the noose or Vig sights. If we are worried about Vigging him vs lynching him, we can always flip it around. I would rather lynch the undead, but I am flexible. If we lynch him, it does mean that the Wolves will have to send someone new to do their killing.
There’s no way the Warlock could have killed amrussell under the ruleset we know about. On the other hand, there’re a lot of rules we don’t know about. I’m fairly well convinced either you or MHaye is lying… and I agree that the Warlock is one of those roles that would me more likely to be left out.
We don’t know if there’s a Vig in this game, or if there is, if he is still alive. We’ll kill Cat today because we know he’s scum. We’ll see what new information a night (and the night kills) bring tomorrow.
Assuming these are real PMs from Pleonast, a good summary would be this:
Idle: Do I have the ability to do A and B?
Pleo: You have the ability to do A.
And your interpretation?
Idle: Oh good, I have the ability to do A and B!
Sorry, I’m just not buying it. Particularly since the Rules clearly state that you must enchant a living player. But I don’t know why people are asking YOU to PM Pleonast to clarify. This is a simple rules question, and there is no reason not to go straight to the horse’s mouth:
Pleonast, can the Witchdoctor raise people who are already dead? Or must s/he do as stated in the rules, i.e. pick someone living who might be targeted later that Night?
That’s it?
Who did you enchant each night and why?
The rules description is accurate.
Witchdoctor: each Night may enchant one Player who, if killed that Night, will come back from the dead the morning after the next Night. Each Player may only be saved this way once. The Player who is killed and comes back will know the Identity of his killer.
Only if a player is killed the Night he was enchanted will he come back. If he wasn’t enchanted the Night he is killed, then he won’t come back.
Thanks, Pleonast. That question was simple, quick and easy to resolve.
Come on, Shadow. You keep on with these rational solutions to problems and we won’t have anything to piss away our time with! This thread’ll be headed to page two in no time!
So to make this clear–Idle CANNOT bring back amrussell or Dreain Bead or any of the dead who have been dead for a while. He can only enchant someone before they die and then they may come back. That’s how I understood it from the beginning, but was getting confuzzled.
You got it, Zoggie. Who’re you voting for?
And this is the reason why one shouldn’t post while
- Drunk
- Haven’t read through one Day of posts
So, right now we have “dueling banjos/claims” by **MHaye ** and Hockey Monkey. The interesting part about this is that, if MHaye turns out to be innocent, Diomedes’ claim would make him (in my eyes) a scum as well. Could they be the last two Cabalists, trying to salvage the game?
My reasoning:
- sachertorte pretty much gave away Rysto’s role by telling Idle to talk to him. That made the chance of him being a witch about 50/50 in my eyes (the other choice being a freemason)
- We won’t have much information on the dead… again. And if sachertorte’s killed toNight, the Cabal has a couple of Nights to block Witches (who might come out in the open right now if Dio’s not a real Witch)
Does this make sense?
Other than the fact that the Cabal can’t block witches, yes.
This doesn’t make sense to me. I mean, yes, it’s not that big a stretch to figure our Rysto is a Witch.But he could also be the Seer, Detective or a Freemason. Any of those roles would have information important to the town.
I can see my claim being questioned if CatinaSuit turns out not to be scum, but how can you try to tie anything about MHaye to me? I haven’t said he was scum or not, that’s Hockey! And my claim serve only to push back MHaye’s execution date, and give him some time to prove his innocence. Why would I do that if hockey and I were in cahoots?
Plus, Witches can’t be blocked.
Plus, the amount of influence I will now have on the town would mean that if there are real Witches out there, they undoubtedly would counterclaim.
Plus, I still think you’re going to end up being scum.
NETA: The line “if there are real Witches out there, they undoubtedly would counterclaim.” obviously should be prefaced with “If I’m lying and”.
But as I read it, sachertorte wouldn’t have given Idle his advice, unless Rysto was either a freemason or a Witch
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The way I’d see it is like a last ditch attempt by the Cabal. It would entail two unsolicited, separate claims which were targeted at those whom they most suspect as being witches
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The main goal wouldn’t be to lynch them both but to out them (under my theory)
The part about blocked Witches was already corrected by sachertorte
I could see sache deciding it would be a good idea for us to learn the lost information of a dead Seer or Detective, as well. Does that not make sense?
The problem with this theory is that the Cabal doesn’t win if it just kills the witches. It also must have at least one surviving member at the end of the game. If this was some sort of plan by Hockey and I, it wouldn’t work if our roleclaims were proven false, as we’d be next on the lynching block.
In any event, we’re going to kill an unDead tonight, and the only way I could have figured out that Cat was an undead is that I’m a investigative role. While I understand your theory, I still don’t see how it’s plausible, nor how anything that happens with the MHaye/hockeymonkey deal should have any reflection on me.
Going back and re-reading some…I remember disagreeing with this comment:
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I don’t like that idea. I don’t get the sense behind it much either. How does making more choices for killing/protecting make the game any easier for Town? All it does is add another card to the “however-many card monte” that was TMed by dotchan. With more options open to scum, the harder it will BE to protect or enchant the right person.
Examples: If there is only one outted role and it’s a doozy, then that makes it fairly easy to know who to protect if one is a Witch or enchant if one is a Witchdoctor. The scum will obviously want that role out of the game as soon as possible, but would they risk it? I don’t know but I’d doubt it.
Add another role, though. Now we have two very good, potential roles (and let’s just go under the ruse that all of them are telling the truth) who are targets for scum. They get to pick and choose. Town however, and especially those with saving powers, have a wider range, though, to play cat and mouse with. I feel it becomes harder for them too.
Now let’s say we have four or five outted roles that are to be believed. What then? HOW does that make it any easier for Town? Really, I think the odds actually GO DOWN in being able to protect or enchant the one that scum try for. The chances that the scum and the/a Witchdoctor and/or Witches choose the same targets grow considerable less with the addition of another power role. So obviously if there are (for example) 100 outed power roles, there are MANY choices for scum, but it’s a guessing game for Town.
So I don’t like the idea of calling out the last Witch and I find it slightly suspicous. Not very so, but slightly. I just hope you read this post and say to me that what I say makes sense on some level because I really want to believe you are what you say you are. I’m leaning more that way already, but this snippit here pings my meter.
Now, time to catch up on the new posts since my last one yesterday.
My main thinking is that while **Diomedes ** is still alive he can confirm the other Witch. Secondary to that is we as a Town can narrow our Scum Pool one more person. There are pros and cons to the other Witch claiming now. I was thinking that the more roles we have in play, the harder it would be for the scum to choose a target toNight. Yes, it also makes it harder for the Town protective roles to decide who to target as well. I will leave it up to them to decide how to play their roles. The same goes for the Witches. It’s up to them to decide what they feel is best. I was responding to a question posed by **Blaster Master ** concerning a mass claim by the Town at this point. Those were my thoughts.
I’m slightly concerned over **Idle’s ** need for self preservation and request for protection.
Check the time stamps on the PMs I posted in comparison to my posts before them. I’m not that fast a typer. I don’t think anyone is (could be wrong, though). Those are copy and pasted.
Other than that, dunno what to tell you. I asked about ressurecting after a long period of time and it wasn’t addressed so I figured what I figured.
Sorry, I wouldn’t call that a summary. I’d call that a twisted summary. But that’s no surprise coming from someone I find suspicious myself.
If you really want to split hairs, a more apt summary would be:
Person A: Can I do this and this and this and this?
Person B: You can do the first. As for the rest, I’m not saying no…
…with the second part of Person B’s sentence not actually said but implied since it was VERY OBVIOUS and PLAINLY STATED that Person A asked the question. Since the question appeared to be ignored or not said otherwise, again, I do not see how impossible it is to assume “well, I wasn’t corrected, so it must apply too”.
I think you just looking for a reason to lynch me in the Day. Because I have already cleared it up with him early yesterday and I was wrong in that assumption (as Dio and Hockey pointed out way before you).
And now I see Pleo answered it anyway.
Anyway,
Unvote Zoggie
Vote CatInASut
I think CIAS is the better lynch of the two for right now, because from what I see, she didn’t offer much of a defense. This could be a lie…or even true happiness because her role has some sort of “Avatar-ness” to it, but either way, I’m content to let a/the Vig (if there is one in this game) handle MHaye because if he IS a Wolf and CIAS IS the last Vamp, obviously the Wolves cannot kill their own. So pending him still being alive in the Day, it would be a pretty good indication there was no Vig.
I don’t think it’s wise for me to out the other witch just yet (I wouldn’t do it myself, anyways, I’d let him/her out themself). When we no longer have good scum targets, then it’ll be a decent idea for us to increase the number of confirmed townies in order to finish off the lynchings.
Right now, the witch doctor is one of two protective roles, in addition to the coven. Idle can self-protect himself all he wants, his death/resurrection would go a long way to confirming him, for one thing. On the other hand, he could help the town out be joining in forcing the scum to make that WIFOM choice of whom to kill. Right now, there are four town power roles (Hockey, Idle, sache and I) that they’d like to knock off (if all of us are telling the truth). The witches can only protect one of those, and if Cat’s the necro and not the vampire, the scum will have an even better shot at increasing their places to hide.
Your point? So can I if I talk to Rysto toNight.
AND I’d be known to both that third one and Dio.
Well, speaking as one of those roles, I’m ringing in with my opinion. I think it would be best to just have that last Witch stay silent for now. shrugs
But, like I said, for those roles themselves (Witchdoctor and Witches), I feel it makes them tougher and harder to hit on the same roles the scums try attacking. This just seems like an obvious thing so it was just weird seeing you think it’d be a good thing if the last Witch came forward.
Boy, people want it both ways, don’t they? I wish players would make their minds up. People seem to be mistrusting me. They say “become confirmed”. However the best way I can do that is talk with a Witch and if I’m doing that at Night, I obviously aren’t enchanting myself or anyone else.
So which is it? Talk to one and leave myself unguarded or hope for protection and be confirmed to at least two others?
It’s a Hobson’s choice, at least some players in here are making it out to be. Not saying you’re one of them but I see a few seemingly wanting their cake and eating it too when it comes to me and my role.