Mafia: The Conspiracy

Sorry, Diomedes. Not even close :slight_smile:

Oh and thanks for trying to correct Idle Thoughts about my gender.

Well, since Dio already did what would have been the essence of my response: nope.

That’s why you’re [B}CatInTheHat** to me… or, at least in my head. :smiley:

Personally, I don’t think we should pay attention to anything that the Cat has to say. Cats LIE.

Town should make the decision without regard to any information that scum offer so openly and freely. Maybe Cat has a kill-a-townie secret power, maybe not. But if I were him, I’d keep it secret. Everything in Cat’s post is screaming, don’t lynch me! How do we know that Cat’s telling the truth? How do we know that his extra killing power isn’t something that needs to happen At Night?
We don’t.
We should ignore him.
vote CatInASuit
The only advantage of lynching MHaye that I can see, is to force the Wolves to use a different killer Tonight. But I’m of the opinion that a 50% chance of getting the vampire before the Night is worth more than moving up Hockey Monkey’s ability to find another wolf from 3 days to 2 days.

ABM?

Anyway, what makes us so sure that CatInASuit is telling the truth at all about her secret power?

Besides, if she is lying about being the Necromancer and is the Vampire, I’d still rather take her out toDay. One less killer == most excellent.

I had actually expected that the necromancer or vampire would have a similar power. I actually have a plan in mind that would make it such that, if Cat IS the Vampire, he is largely moot and possibly an advantage to the town. However, such a plan would require the revealing of my role and secret power along with certain assumptions about roles being verified.

Hockey Monkey, I want to make sure I understand your power correctly… You choose a kill to investigate during the Day and receive your report at dusk?

…the rest will require a ruling from our [del]bastard[/del] resident mod.

Hmmmm, I will have no problem switching my vote over to MHaye. A scum’s a scum yanno. I want to ponder this information for a while though. There is no reason to believe **Cat’s ** role claim except that I’m pretty sure the scum have secret powers too. The question is does he really want us to lynch him or will his bomb power be really be activated on a night kill? It seems clear to me that by role-claiming, he’s hoping we don’t lynch him. I prefer not to do what the scum wants us to do. Necromancer is the perfect role claim for a Vampire. We need to discuss this.

Exactly. I will receive my report on last Night’s kills after the dusk post toDay.

Agree completely. My vote stands.

Well, I for one am happy to vote for a 100% confirmed scum:

Vote CatInTheSuit

I’m not sure if you should reveal what your intentions are for tonight. I think you should wait until night and then flip a coin between investigate and protect. That way scum need to debate whether or not it’s worth risking a kill on Diomedes since he might be protected.
Or maybe this was all a clever ploy.
Either way, the protect option MUST remain on the table.

When does this Day end?

Wednesday, noon, like all the others.

Noon Pacific.

Why would the Necromancer give up the game like that? I think Cat is another scum role, that’s trying to last another day or two.

Vote CatinaSuit

My preferred targets for the next day would be MHaye, followed by Idle. It boggles my mind that he can misunderstand the rules and his PM that are written pretty clearly that badly. In his defense, he’s done it before, and wasn’t scum the last time.

Okay… let’s look at it this way, there’s six possibilities related to Cat, his claimed power, and MHaye:

  1. Cat is the Vampire, we lynch MHaye: One kill attempt Tonight, no new info for Hockey Monkey.

  2. Cat is the Vampire, we lynch MHaye: Two kill attempts Tonight, new info for Hockey Monkey.

  3. Cat is the necromancer, that’s a fake power, we lynch him today: Two kill attempts Tonight, no new info for Hockey Monkey.

  4. Cat is the necromancer, that’s a fake power, we lynch MHaye: Two kill attempts Tonight, new info for Hockey Monkey.

  5. Cat is the necromancer, that’s a real power, we lynch him today: We lose Diomedes, rendering the witches useless, have Two kill attempts Tonight, have no new info for Hockey Monkey.

  6. Cat is the necromancer, that’s a real power, we lynch MHaye: Two kill attempts Tonight, new info for Hockey Monkey.
    Clearly, if he’s the Vampire, it’s optimal to lynch Cat, otherwise, it’s clearly optimal to lynch MHaye. But balancing these two is tricky. HOWEVER, you have to remember, any new investigation from Hockey Monkey or the Witches will give us, either one more confirmed or one more scum and, with the protections we have, a kill attempt is not as bad harmful as the extra information is helpful because A) we have at least two blocks available between Idle and the Witches (quite possibly more) B) There’s a non-zero probability that the kill attempts will overlap C) There’s a non-zero probability they won’t target the most important roles, making them less hurtful D) There’s a non-zero probability that other scum will be taken out.

Further, the plan I’ve mentioned, over which I’m still agonizing on a few minor details, will guarantee that the Witches AND Hockey Monkey WILL survive the Night, netting us, ultimately, one more reading from Hockey Monkey, and two more readings from the Witches, at the cost of, at worst, two kill attempts before we lynch Cat IF, worst case, he’s the vampire.

NETA: I was EXTREMLY tempted to put in a formula there, with all the probabilities worked out, but apparently hard numbers are frowned upon in Mafia… :dubious: :frowning:

I think Blaster’s analysis is quite on-target here… It’s quite reasonable to suppose that Cat’s not lying about his power, it stands to reason given his initial reaction to me outing him. I somehow guess several of these votes determined to stick with lynching Cat are those of scum who see a light at the end of their collective tunnels.

Perhaps I should add that, in addition to one of the witches having an extra investigation, another one of us has an extra protection. If I’m alive tonight, we could both protect and investigate one last time, or double protect Town members. When I die, the final Witch becomes mostly useless to the town.

I’m all ears, Blaster Master. I’ll render my vote accordingly when I read the plan. Thanks for leaving out the Maths. :smiley:

I like math.