Mafia: The Conspiracy

The Game Room
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[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
Indeed, there is a lot we don’t know, and taking Cat’s claim at face value is very dangerous.

And this emerging meme/suggestion that all those who are voting for CatInASuit are scummy is troubling and should be examined carefully. It’s interesting how quickly that **Cat **consensus dissolved and why.
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Is it really that interesting? Cat has threatened the Witches. The role of an investigate/protect option for the town is a very helpful one for a town win. In the event that there is a Vig left in the town, we could avoid the risk that Cat’s telling the truth, kill the likeliest lynch target for tomorrow today, and have the Vig eliminate Cat tonight. If Cat’s alive tomorrow, it tells us we don’t have a Vig, and welynchher tomorrow with the added bonus of another night of usage of the protect/investigate power.

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What I don’t get is why Idle Thoughts, he of the “I am the Avatar. I know it” claim, would so willingly believe CatInASuit’s claim. I just don’t get it. But then again, it seems that I rarely understand Idle Thoughts.

The most compelling (new) reason to go with MHaye is Blaster Master’s gambit. If Blaster can guarantee Hockey Monkey’s survival into the next day, then I see we have a 50% chance of Hockey Monkey determining scum Tomorrow, which she can report the Day after that. This is certainly more compelling than thinking that Hockey Monkey would make it far enough into future Days to report back actionable data without help.

So I am not as against the MHaye lynch as I was before, but I have a few points I need to think through.
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Based on Diomedes’s data, Blaster Master is NOT Cabal and NOT Undead. The Witch data does not preclude Blaster Master’s being a Wolf; however, his wanting to lynch Wolf Candidate MHaye instead of undead candidate CatInASuit makes little sense for a Wolf. The only way Blaster Master could be a Wolf in this scenario is if MHaye is not a Wolf (unlikely).
So at this point I am trusting of Blaster Master’s motives.

If I understand the plan correctly, Blaster Master will guarantee protection of himself and Hockey Monkey. Diomedes will be able to self-protect. Idle Thoughts will be able to self-enchant. Thus, the most important roles will be off the table from scum kills Tonight. Hopefully, a Vig will take out CatInASuit at Night.

Two die at night (probably me, but that’s okay, I’ve already reported my secret).

Hockey Monkey can investigate a dead body (50% chance of guessing the wolf target), but needs to survive one more night to share the results.

Tomorrow, Lynch CatInASuit (if alive) or one of the unknowns.

Tomorrow Night, how do we guarantee Hockey Monkey lives to see morning? Also, this plan has a 50% success rate (or 50% failure rate for the pessimists).

As you can see, I’m close, but not fully onboard. Satisfy that Hockey can survive two nights, and we’ll be in business.

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[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
A lot of people say “Why are we doing what scum wants us to do?” But maybe they want to kill Cat off because they believe him. If he really is the Necro, obviously his Vampire will probably be voting for him.

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Why would the Vampire vote for CatInASuit? Perhaps I’m being dense, but killing Cat would practically ensure that the Undead would lose this game, wouldn’t it? (Assuming that Cat is telling the truth; all the Zombies would die with him, leaving the Vampire as the only Undead left.) It’s not as if the Vampire could save themself by sacrificing Cat. Unless they ended up being the only one standing, I suppose, which is possible but a rather risky plan at best.

Idle Thoughts has a point about lynching Cat vs MHaye. If we leave Cat for the night, likely the only person that’s going to risk killing him is the Vig; I doubt the Wolves are going to risk one of their own on the off-chance that he ends up being the Vampire. If Cat ends up alive, we can be pretty sure there is no Vig, and we can lynch him tomorrow. On the other hand, a dead MHaye could mean a Vig OR it could mean the Wolves turned on one of their own.

Plus lynching MHaye would force the Wolves to use another killer, as has already been mentioned. There’s no reason for the Wolves to switch killers unless forced.

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Just posting to put my sig in a convenient place.

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[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
**And this emerging meme/suggestion that all those who are voting for CatInASuit are scummy is troubling and should be examined carefully. ** It’s interesting how quickly that **Cat **consensus dissolved and why.
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Bolding mine.

Who said this? I didn’t see anyone say this. So if this is implying what I said, you might want to re-read it and stop twisting to to mean what you’re saying there.

Bolding mine.

First of all, how what I say there is implausible, I don’t know. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Second, how what I say there is: “all those who are voting for CatInASuit are scummy” (your words, verbatim) is beyond my comprehension. :confused:

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[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
Plus lynching MHaye would force the Wolves to use another killer, as has already been mentioned. There’s no reason for the Wolves to switch killers unless forced.
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That depends on whether Mhaye can use his claim to explain any additional Night kills that get witnessed.

Pleonast, if a character is killed by a Warlock’s curse, would the Detective’s investigation result name the Warlock as the killer?

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By the way, why are we all listening to someone? Why don’t the power roles just do what they want to do?

I mean, pardon me, but I know of two very possibly Witches now. Why wouldn’t I want to talk to dead Rysto toNight and not only learn who the last Witch is but have both that Witch and Dio know I’m telling the truth from then on?

Not saying I’m going to do that toNight or not, but it puzzles me why some are willing to go along precise with someone’s plan. Even, I, who feels Blaster is Town, wouldn’t want everyone just to be led around. Why don’t the power roles just all do what we think is best and most unexpected toNight instead of laying it all out and planning it all out. Because doing that, scum will find the loopholes or just do other things. I just feel it’s best to keep them guessing rather than tell them exactly what we all should do toNight.

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[QUOTE=dotchan]
That depends on whether Mhaye can use his claim to explain any additional Night kills that get witnessed.

Pleonast, if a character is killed by a Warlock’s curse, would the Detective’s investigation result name the Warlock as the killer?
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Are you suggesting that Masons have killing powers? :confused:

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[QUOTE=sachertorte]
What I don’t get is why Idle Thoughts, he of the “I am the Avatar. I know it” claim, would so willingly believe CatInASuit’s claim. I just don’t get it. But then again, it seems that I rarely understand Idle Thoughts.
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I don’t fully believe it. I don’t disbelieve it. I don’t know what to think, to be honest, but I do think if there’s any chance that a Witch will die then I think it’s just best to lynch MHaye for now and then let the Vig take care of Cat. If Cat is the Vamp, he’ll die. If Cat really is the Necro, he’ll die, and we wouldn’t want to kill him in the Day anyway. If Cat is still alive come morning, chances are there is no Vig.

Seems like a win-win.

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[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
Are you suggesting that Masons have killing powers? :confused:
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Mhaye claimed Warlock

Warlock: each Night may enchant one Player. If that Player is killed, the killer will die the following Night. If the killer is a Vampire, the lethal curse will rebound onto the Warlock (he is not immune to his own magic).

Your confusion makes no sense, since the roles were already cleared up once when Diggitcamara seemed to think that some of the power-roles are among the freemasons.

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[QUOTE=dotchan]
Pleonast, if a character is killed by a Warlock’s curse, would the Detective’s investigation result name the Warlock as the killer?
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Yes. A Detective will determine the Identity of any killer, except a Vampire.

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[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
Why would the Vampire vote for CatInASuit? Perhaps I’m being dense, but killing Cat would practically ensure that the Undead would lose this game, wouldn’t it? (Assuming that Cat is telling the truth; all the Zombies would die with him, leaving the Vampire as the only Undead left.) It’s not as if the Vampire could save themself by sacrificing Cat. Unless they ended up being the only one standing, I suppose, which is possible but a rather risky plan at best.
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Cat is already dead, for the other Undead’s point of view. There’s no way he (and his Zombies, if he’s the necro) is going to last long enough to contribute to an undead endgame. The Vampire (and likely all the scum) will vote for him, in order to further his pan-scum win strategy, which involves ending the protection of the witches (which aids all the scum, particularly the Cabal, if there’s any left) with his curse.

I said this, for all intents and purposes. It’d be really helpful if both you and Shadow would just fucking kiss and make up for the moment. You guys can vote for each other in the endgame, if it comes down to that.

I think I already asked this, way back in the pregame setup bit. The active killer is named as the killer, not the redirector. I think.

Yeah, even better. There’s no way the Warlock’s curse would have hit amrussell… amrussell is modconfirmed as a Mason.

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NETA: Sorry, I really should have added who each quote was by for that post.
HNC, Idle, dot and HNC again, in order.

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[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
Bolding mine.

Who said this? I didn’t see anyone say this. So if this is implying what I said, you might want to re-read it and stop twisting to to mean what you’re saying there.

Bolding mine.

First of all, how what I say there is implausible, I don’t know. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Second, how what I say there is: “all those who are voting for CatInASuit are scummy” (your words, verbatim) is beyond my comprehension. :confused:
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If you can actually show where I quote YOU and twist your words, then I will most humbly apologize.

(On preview: sorry, Dio, you’re right. I’m going to stop it with Idle now).

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[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
I don’t fully believe it. I don’t disbelieve it. I don’t know what to think, to be honest, but I do think if there’s any chance that a Witch will die then I think it’s just best to lynch MHaye for now and then let the Vig take care of Cat. If Cat is the Vamp, he’ll die. If Cat really is the Necro, he’ll die, and we wouldn’t want to kill him in the Day anyway. If Cat is still alive come morning, chances are there is no Vig.

Seems like a win-win.
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As much as I hate to admit it, since I am convinced you are scum, what you say here (and **Blaster **and **Dio **before you) makes sense. I don’t really want to unvote Cat because:

  • that’s what he wants us to do
  • I think he is lying and is really the Vampire, and I don’t want to give him another night to kill

However, I believe that **Blaster **is town, and if he can protect most of the imprtant roles, then that eases my mind on the second point.

My question is this, though: what happens if Cat survives the night? I would say, based on the numnber of kills so far, that it’s probably 50/50 there is no Vig. And if there isn’t, we’re going to have to lynch **Cat **toMorrow anyway, right? Are we willing to chance Dio’s life then or do we let him live again on account of his claim?

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[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]

My question is this, though: what happens if Cat survives the night? I would say, based on the numnber of kills so far, that it’s probably 50/50 there is no Vig. And if there isn’t, we’re going to have to lynch **Cat **toMorrow anyway, right? Are we willing to chance Dio’s life then or do we let him live again on account of his claim?
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If Cat survives the night, we lynch him, unless we somehow pull the other undead’s name out of somewhere. If I die then, then I die. But I really think an extra day will be helpful. Sorry if I can’t elaborate more on this.

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[QUOTE=Diomedes]
If Cat survives the night, we lynch him, unless we somehow pull the other undead’s name out of somewhere. If I die then, then I die. But I really think an extra day will be helpful. Sorry if I can’t elaborate more on this.
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No problem - please don’t give anything away. I just wanted to make sure we weren’t giving **Cat **a continual pass due to his threat.

I’m mostly convinced.

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[QUOTE=dotchan]

Your confusion makes no sense, since the roles were already cleared up once when Diggitcamara seemed to think that some of the power-roles are among the freemasons.
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The only way Mhaye could be a Warlock and kill amrussell was if amrussell had tried to kill someone himself. At least, as far as I can see.

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[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
The only way Mhaye could be a Warlock and kill amrussell was if amrussell had tried to kill someone himself. At least, as far as I can see.
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Exactly. **MHaye ** is not a Warlock because **amrussell ** was a Freemason with no known kill powers. Since I know that **MHaye ** was **amrussell’s ** killer, and the two conditions cannot exist simultaniously, **MHaye ** is lying.

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[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
As much as I hate to admit it, since I am convinced you are scum, what you say here (and **Blaster **and **Dio **before you) makes sense. I don’t really want to unvote Cat because:

  • that’s what he wants us to do
  • I think he is lying and is really the Vampire, and I don’t want to give him another night to kill

However, I believe that **Blaster **is town, and if he can protect most of the imprtant roles, then that eases my mind on the second point.

My question is this, though: what happens if Cat survives the night? I would say, based on the numnber of kills so far, that it’s probably 50/50 there is no Vig. And if there isn’t, we’re going to have to lynch **Cat **toMorrow anyway, right? Are we willing to chance Dio’s life then or do we let him live again on account of his claim?
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If Cat survives the Night, it won’t matter anymore since I will have talked with Rysto and

  1. Become, in a sense, another Witch (only without the powers) in the regards that I know who they are, for sure and they know who I am, for sure.
  2. Be able to be confirmed by them that I really am Town and a/the Witchdoctor.