I feel the opposite. Santo Rugger claimed with only Two Freemasons confirmed. DiggitCamara is claiming Two Days after Santo Rugger. Diggit should know that uncontested claims gain confidence over time. If DiggitCamara is going to counter claim now, he needs to give a very good explanation for his tardiness. His explanation that he didn’t want to derail the CatInASuit lynch is laughable. Cat’s Day was the PERFECT time to counterclaim. The Lynch was set. We had very little to talk about besides dotchan and her Vicar claim. (Didn’t you notice my erroneous calling out of dotchan? Did that derail the CatInASuit lynch? No, not one bit). If Diggit had claimed yesterday, we could have spent yesterday leisurely yakking about Santo Rugger and DiggitCamara. Now we have to discuss DiggitCamara and Santo Rugger as well as choose between HazelNutCoffee and Zoggie.
Anti-town!
I feel the onus is on DiggitCamara to demonstrate that his actions have been for the good of the town, because so far, they seem like really bad choices to me.
Plus there is the whole DiggitCamara totally misunderstanding roles thing. I don’t see how DiggitCamara could be a Freemason and not understand that the Vigilante is not a Freemason. Furthermore, I don’t see how a Freemason, who thought the Vigilante was a special type of Freemason would have voted to lynch One And Only Wanderers who claimed Vigilante. If DiggitCamara thought the Vigilante was a Freemason, wouldn’t DiggitCamara have tried to stop the OAOW lynch so he could handshaky with OAOW?
DiggitCamara seems pretty cavalier about getting lynched when failing to lynch the Necromancer loses the game.
Night Kill Data:
Night One - amrussell killed by Wolves, Fretful Portpentine killed by Vampire
Night Two - Rysto and Hal Briston Killed (unknown kill assignments)
Night Three - Kat killed by Vampire, nesta killed by Wolves
Night Four - Idle Thoughts cursed by Vampire, (Wolves no kill or are blocked)
Night Five - Hockey Monkey killed by Wolves
Supposition: The Vampire knew the identity of the Necromancer from the beginning.
Evidence: Three night kills in a row, the Vampire targetted unclaimed players over identified players who were clearly not the Necromancer. This tactic is risky. However, if CatInASuit knew the identity of the Necromancer from the game outset, the choices make a whole lot more sense.
Anyone endeavoring to re-read the thread should keep this possibility in mind when perusing CatInASuit’s posts and actions.
HazelNutCoffee wrote this before I revealed that Fretful Porpentine was a Wolf. She pieces together that Fretful was killed by the Vampire with no public information to reach that conclusion. If anything amrussell would make for the more logical Vampire kill. Only by knowing that Fretful was a Wolf would one think the Vampire killed Fretful and not amrussell.
I feel this indicates that HazelNutCoffee is a Werewolf. As a Werewolf, she is not the town’s target for today.
I already explained my wording for that post. For me the kill made more sense if it had been a Vampire one, because there seemed to be no rationale behind it. I felt a Vampire would kill more randomly than the Wolves would, which may be a faulty line of reasoning, but that’s what I was thinking at the time.
Since sachertorte seems to have a problem with me making anything other than deep and meaningful posts when I’m perfectly awake and sober, I’ll shut up now.
Hey, sacher, let’s be honest: we all have our reasons why and when we do certain stuff (remember your discussions with Idle about this?) The thing is, though, when Rugger claimed it was clear to me that a disclosure of my role would lead to a derailment of the Cat’s lynching. The thing is: the Cat claimed he had a bomb. And, like the Day before, most people would probably have chosen the “safe” vote (Rugger or me) to leave Dio to live another Day. And at the time it was obvious to me that we couldn’t afford to let the vampire have another Night to kill. YMMV.
My confusion about the FreeMasons can be explained (though it still may seem stupid).
The idea that the Vigilante was a FreeMason made me think that I didn’t need to derail OAOW’s lynch for a simiple reason: he claimed Vigilante, not FreeMason. If you have a secondary role, which role would you have claimed first? (I, at least, would have claimed FreeMason)
The whole thing about secret identities and abilities hadn’t been disclosed at the time (not that I remember, anyway). And the thing is: I was told I had a secret additional power, that I was the Accountant. The thing is: I thought that because there were more players than **Pleonast ** had originally envisioned, that he had pulled an additional role out of the hat (Accountant) so that all FreeMasons would have their “role”. I’m wrong, I know, but still there you are.
That said, I concur with our Witches: we need to get the Necromancer. So, for now, I will vote Zoggie
Hazel is the Alpha-Wolf and the witches can verify this Tonight OR we can try to block something (incase we’re wrong, it lowers the chance of a Sunup somewhat) assuming this is correct, and lynch her tomorrow anyway without 100% certainty.
That leaves 2 mis-lynches to find the Omega-Wolf amongst Rugger, Diggit, and Shadow… in essence, a guaranteed Town win at that point (IIRC my math I crunched earlier).
So, without further ado…
Vote Zoggie
Ironically enough, if Zoggie IS the Necromancer, the only way I could see her saving herself is trying to convince us she’s the Alpha-Wolf, and getting us to lynch Hazel instead. Similarly, if she’s the Alpha-Wolf, the only way she could preserve any chance of a Wolf victory is to claim as well, and then taking out the other Necro candidate we don’t lynch Today. IOW, don’t be surprised if we actually see such a claim, or even combatting claims of Alpha-Wolf. That’d be pure funniness
According to the setup, the Undead don’t know each other (but since Pleonast is a bastard mod ;), I wouldn’t be surprised if either the Vampire or the Necro had some sort of secret power to locate the other).
Question for the Town in general: Other than the investigated-as-town Diggitcamara’s assertion that he checked Santos Rugger out, what other assertion do we have that Santos Rugger is clearly not the Necromancer?
Hazel: What was it about Fretful Porpentine’s death that seemed “haphazard”? That post of yours does reek a bit of too much knowledge. Also, did you try to kill anyone OTHER than CatInASuit?
Zoggie: What made my claim so fishy that you were willing to risk killing me instead of waiting the Night to see whether Idle Thoughts would rise from the grave?
BTW, I don’t think the wolves are going to cooperate with us on this one. If Blaster’s numbers are correct, they may be willing to let the Undead win rather than giving Town a sure victory.
There’s no particulary good reason. Actually, if HazelNut -is- the Vig, I think we’ve got the win locked up as well: we lynch Zoggie tonight and he stabs Santos. The Necro has to be one of those three (unless it’s you, I suppose… but I’m thinking that’s along shot).
On the other hand, I think you’re right about the Wolves helping us out. If Zoggie isn’t the Necro, and we don’t have a Vig, the Wolves could very well attack one of the pro-Town roles and give the Undead the win. Their chances of winning are very small at this point.
I’ve already explained my reasoning at the time - it was obvious why amrussell was killed (he was a claimed Freemason) but Fretful had been pretty much off the radar for the most part, and because I assumed that the Vampire just wants to pile up bodies, the seemingly random kill would have been more likely to have been a Vampire one. (I never used the word “haphazard” either, so I dunno why you put it in quotes.) So apparently my short-sighted reasoning is a scum tell.
And again I already explained I killed nesta after I Stalked him and confirmed he was Caba;.
Look. Don’t you think that if I were false claiming Vig, I would have merely mentioned that I tried to kill CatInASuit and was blocked in some way? Why would I unnecessarily complicate my story by adding the bit about nesta?
Hazel, it doesn’t matter if we believe you or not, at this point. You don’t need to argue for your life: Tonight, we lynch Zoggie. If you’re the Vig, you kill Santos. Then we’ll start chopping away at the unconfirmed. Whether or not we lynch you tomorrow (or at any point), your side pretty much has already determined whether or not you win or lose in this game:
HNC is Town (and Vig): HNC wins
HNC is Wolf: HNC loses
HNC is Undead: HNC wins
HNC is Cabal: HNC loses
D’oh d’oh and double d’oh. Maybe it’s because I can’t imagine a woman as being either a slavering werewolf or cold-blooded vigilante. But I’m having some sort of block on seeing you as a woman.
Just out of curiosity - what if I don’t believe Santos is scum? (Before y’all start jumping all over me, I am merely hypothesizing here. I haven’t made up my mind either way.) I don’t think there’s any clear evidence tilting in favor of either Santos or Diggit at this point. Either one of them could be lying. What makes you so sure it’s Santos? I’m willing to be convinced.
No worries about the gender confusion, but I noticed you, Dio, seemed to persist in calling me a guy, so I thought having a picture to associate my name with might help.
Because Blaster and I investigated Diggit last night, and he came up Town. While he might yet be a Wolf, he’s definitely not the Necromancer. And we need to kill the Necro before tomorrow morning.
I’ll tell you what: You actually get two nights before you have to kill yourself. The game most likely will be over before you have to start knifing yourself.
Tell you what, we witches will protect you from yourself when we get that junction, okay?
NETA: And weird looking posts like that are what happens when you get interrupted while composing a post, and forget to read what you’ve written before hitting reply. Stupid no-edit in this game…
