Then You must be the soulless necro-mancer…
oh wait… you’re not… DAMNIT!
Actually, if you’re telling the truth, then Santos HAS to be scum of some sort, because between the three of you lies at least two scum, so we won’t have to worry about anything.
Thus, if you’re telling the truth, the game is essentially over with a town victory, because only the omega will be left and we’ll have all but two people confirmed with a lynch AND a vig. If you somehow manage NOT to kill him, you’ll be presumed a liar, be lynched tomorrow, and we’ll just be a step behind, with three unconfirmed and only a lynch.
So… hope you don’t get blocked. 
Um, we’re forgetting one tiny but important fact. If Santo Rugger is the Necromancer and HazelNutCoffee is a Wolf, then by not lynching Santo Rugger we lose the game. I think we need to at least discuss the Santo Rugger v. DiggitCamara Freemason issue.
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I originally put Santo Rugger on my “not willing to lynch” list because I believed his claim. His timing was perfect. He claimed about an hour after I revealed that Drain Bead was a Freemason (mitigating factors: Santo Rugger had several posts between my reveal of Freemason Drain Bead and Santo Rugger’s claim. I’m not sure what to make of the time delay). Hal Briston’s Freemason status had not yet been established at that time.
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I am suspicious of DiggitCamara for his delay in counterclaiming Santo Rugger. DiggitCamara says he checked Santo Rugger on Day Two. He should have known immediately that Santo Rugger was lying, yet he said nothing. If I were a Mason, I’d feel very strong pressure to reveal a known scum. The risk of my dying before telling the truth would be too great. Consider the hypothetical that DiggitCamara is a Mason and Santo Rugger is not. Had DiggitCamara died and was then revealed to be a Freemason, we would have taken Diggit’s silence as CONFIRMATION of Santo Rugger. A real Mason would have realized this.
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However, from a behaviorial standpoint I lean towards believing DiggitCamara. DiggitCamara was very suspicious of me on Day Two. Annoyingly suspicous
. But those who were most suspicous of me have turned out to be Town (Drain Bead, Idle Thoughts). I think scum were less likely to confront me and willing to accept my claim because it doesn’t concern them as much. Not so coincidentally, Santo Rugger was the one who was most supportive of not only my claim, but speaking out against those who questioned my choice of keeping Roles secret. Off the top of my head others who recognized that there were or could be reasons for my silence include MHaye and fluiddruid. Town tends to be paranoid; scum not so much. Furthermore, again without thorough back-research, I would state that Santo Rugger has stayed under the radar for most of the game, while DiggitCamara has been more willing to put himself under scrutiny by expressing his views. -
So I’m left wondering between DiggitCamara and Santo Rugger. Obviously, we aren’t going to lynch DiggitCamara Today, but if Santo Rugger really is a Necromancer candidate, we need to discuss the possibility of lynching Santo Rugger Today.
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Sidenote: Santo Rugger and DiggitCamara could both be Wolves, employing a bold strategy to exploit the weaknesses of the Freemason game mechanic. I don’t consider this a strong possibilty, but it is a possibility. I state this a reminder that should we discover that one of Santo Rugger or DiggitCamara is scum, such facts do not clear the other.
While you present a decent argument, I just can’t see how we’re supposed to determine whether Zoggie or Santo is the Necro from… well… anything. I do know that I give Santo a much higher probability of being town than Zoggie, whom I’m afraid I’m absolutely convinced is scum (and have from the beginning! She was my first vote! 
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The only argument I can really see right now might be to no-lynch. Blaster and I could investigate one of the two of them, and whichever of us that survives the night could then report back. However, doing so opens up the possibility of a wolf win, and us sitting right back here tomorrow, only now stewing about Hazel’s possibility of being the Necro.
There isn’t a sure-fire town win yet. We’re going to have to go out on a limb somewhere.
That’s exactly what I’m worried about. According to the ruleset: “Freemason: each Day may check if one other Player is also a Freemason. If the target is a Freemason, both will be informed of the discovery. Otherwise, no effect.”
So, dueling freemasons…your role PMs, please.
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To answer a question about victory conditions: I check the Wolves’ victory condition both immediately after the lynch and immediately after the Dawn message. I check the Undead’s condition both immediately after the Dusk post and immediately after the Night kills.
Once all the Wolves and Undead are dead, the number of Witches versus the number of Cabalists determines if the Town or Cabal wins.
Edit: don’t forget the Wolves and Undead merely need to equal the number of others to win.
Er, so if by some unfortunate set of circumstances both the Witches die, than the Cabal automatically wins, even though they’re all dead? :dubious: Or is it considered a draw?
- Freemason
- Freemason - Pygmy Rugger
You are a Freemason. Each Day you may show your Secret Handsign to check if one other Player is also a Freemason. If the target is a Freemason, both will be informed of the discovery. Otherwise, no effect.
Secret Power: If two or more Freemasons are aware of each other, you may track one Player every Night. If the player you track is involved in a Night kill, the kill will be thwarted, and the victim will be made aware of the attempted killer’s identity. A forum will be set up at http://masontalk.proboards51.com/ for discussion. After you are assigned an account, you may utilize this forum at any time, but please restrict game discussion to the Night (Wednesdays at noon through Fridays at noon, Pacific time).
Please PM, email me, or respond in the game thread http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...ad.php?t=436661 to confirm that you have received your Role and are ready to play. The game will start on Friday Sept 28 at noon, Pacific Time.
No, at least one Cabalist must be alive for the Cabal to win.
Good point, but I think the move that Rugger made is possibly one that a Wolf (most likely the Omega-Wolf) would make, but I cannot see it being a move the Necromancer would make.
However, one point of interest against Rugger is namely that you did NOT reveal Hal’s role, but a risky scum very well COULD have surmised that one of the most likely reasons you didn’t reveal was because he was the last mason. So I’m left wondering, if he’s scum, why would he does this? Obviously, if he’s the Omega-Wolf, it’s the least risk because no one except for another mason would be able to discern his claim, and he probably figured a fourth one was unlikely or would result in a situation like Monk-gate, except he would have the upper hand based on his timing.
An Alpha-Wolf would make less sense but, as Sach points out, could easily make sense if it’s part of an elaborate scheme to get the other guy “confirmed” for counter-claiming. This is fairly unlikely, IMO.
For a Necromancer, would he be willing to guess that Hal was the last Free-mason? Knowing it’s a risky move, would he essentially be the whole game on that? He wasn’t under any heat to claim, and his method to victory is to simply live long enough to create enough Zombies, so why throw out that extra risk? I can only imagine he MIGHT have thought that to attempt to side-step a Witch investigation, thinking we’d think he’s either telling the truth or a the Alpha-Wolf and thus it’d be a waste of our investigation.
Ooooh Loophole!
Okay… you mention the board, so now I’m going to have to ask… how exactly did you utilize this? Since the masons cannot communicate at Night… Or was this only to be used if you had happened to encounter another mason?
Exactly. Had I encountered another Freemason, we would have been able to strategize at night, and BS during the day. Since I never found a counterpart, I was never granted access to the board.
Since there are supposedly FOUR Freemasons in the game, what would happen if there were two pairs of Freemasons.
Hmmmm.
Either way, I think Santo Rugger is not the Necromancer.
sach kept all the roles secret as long as possible, not just Hal’s.
Your wish is my command
Sorry, Rugger. You’re lying.
You’ve got the offsite discussion board correct, but the whole idea of a mason discussion board doesn’t make sense in the slightest. We’re looking at four masons, right? What if two different sets of masons had found each other, would Pleo have set up two separate boards for those masons? Doesn’t make sense to me.
I do like the fact that someone registered a new account right before you posted this on the board as “masonzeta”. I appreciate the extra bit of effort.
Now, obviously, Santo knows that the witches would be able to pick this claim apart. It strongly lends credence to the idea that he’s a Wolf or Cabalist, the two other groups other than the witches who would know the location of Pleo’s offsite board. Is it possible that a Necro might get access to this board? Did the nondiscussing roles (sache?) get the address for the discussion board, even ifthey couldn’t post on it?
I’m fine with risks. I was just curious as to why so many were simultaneously suspicious of Santo Rugger, yet not considering him for lynch Today.
Although I did post this:
I also posted this, about a page or two later:
And this, about a page or two after that:
No.
My first reaction to Santo Rugger’s PM was to believe him.
Santo Rugger is clearly not the Necromancer though. While I do think it is possible that the Vampire may have been given knowledge of who the Necromancer is, creating a game where people can talk at night, when the rules explicitly state otherwise is simply a recipe for ticked off players.
It’s very strange. I ver quickly went from trusting Santo Rugger quite a bit to distrusting him.