@ Septimus, you think scum are hiding in the group of non-voters and will focus on them:
I ask about the specific group you are focusing on:
Your reply shows you’ve forgotten your promise to focus on those players:
What happened? Was your initial promise just for show, an attempt to lead us astray, a distraction?
What relevance does my vote have? You seemed OK with it earlier. Do you remember my alignment in those prior games?
Heh. Cute.
I don’t see special ed’s “I want to focus on…” as a promise, just a general intention. Are we at the point where comments like that are actual vows that must be followed through on?
My only real suspects now are the three people whom known Townies (and I’m including myself here) voted for: Precambrianmollusc, Silver Jan, and Inner Stickler.
Of these, the most difficult to get any feel for is Silver Jan, since she’s been understandably inactive.
I should mention that GuiriEnEspana is pinging me for his aggression, but that really could read as either a super-motivated Townie or a savvy Scum who wants to appear like a super-motivated Townie. So… I got nuttin’.
I’m also just paranoid enough to wonder if either the special ed vs. Svejk wrasslin’ or the Mahaloth vs. fubbleskag] bout was staged to keep us assuming these duos aren’t on the same scum team. Hell, maybe they’re all scum! OMG it’s (spoiler for a famous Agatha Christie novel)
Murder on the Orient Express
all over again!
Anyway, sticking with my original three names, here’s what I see:
Precambrianmollusc:
[spoiler]- Day one, reactionary vote against Svejk with a bit of a smudge by implying that Svejk didn’t really choose Silver Jan randomly. (I call this “reactionary” because Svejk had just complained that there were only two votes on the board so far. So this might not have been a very serious vote, just a sort of thumbing-his-nose at the guy who’d just kvetched about few votes.)
He complains (as much as I did! Take that, Inner!) about Day One votes being difficult/poorly reasoned.
Some speculation on possible roles that might exist in the game.
Rather swiftly makes another reactionary vote against (known Townie) wevets (reactionary 'cause wevets had just been looking at him dubiously for his Svejk vote). Explains his anti-wevets vote is just following the “third voter is Scum” rule.
Is not around for the EOD vote and thus makes no effort to save himself from a three-way tie that certainly could’ve ended up with him in the noose. A townie with no ulterior motive, or a highly self-sacrificing scum?
Comments that scum must’ve been happy with all three lynch candidates, else they’d’ve voted to avoid a tie. Again, could be an honest townie or a clever scum move.
Analysis: On the one hand I could easily see his being scummy and at least one other person who voted for him (septimus or fubbleskag) using him as a sacrifice play to take the heat off them; if Precambrianmollusc (why are there so many darn difficult screennames in this game?! Argh!) were lynched and flipped Scum, fubbles and septimus end up looking mighty kosher.
On the other hand, it’s certainly a risky decision to try and lynch one of your own straight off the bat. His posts overall don’t read hugely scummy, just kind of newish (though I understand this isn’t his first time at the rodeo).
On my heretofore unknown third hand: Scum bussed their freakin’ Godfather in my last game, so there’s nothing they won’t do. That Godfather? septimus. (Duh duh dunnnnn!) Is he organizing a repeat of the genius play of De’endee’s Lords of Slaughter, with Precambrianmollusc as the Judas Goat in this scenario?
Conclusion: slightly leaning scum[/spoiler]
Argh I just looked at the clock and it’s 10PM and I haven’t even had dinner yet. I’ll save the other two for later. Sorry!
I wanted to focus on someone?
I wonder who that was…
if that was complicated, i want to see what you think is simple. :rolleyes:
Only one vote toDay, and the Day is well along. On Day 1, we voted for mostly bad reasons. ToDay we’re not voting at all. Come on, Townies. Apathy is pro-Scum.
One of the few concrete things we have to go on is yesterDay’s vote. The tie was allegedly pro-Scum; I encouraged discussion of that and wondered whether it would give a clue to scum-hunting. Suspect those who caused the tie? Those who declined to break the tie? I don’t know, but even if discussion is inconclusive, the discussion will yield information for toDay and future Days. One thing is sure: Having only a single vote cast in a Day that’s more than half over is anti-Town. I’ve voiced some slight suspicions. If other players detect faint scum-tells, please voice them. We need to get cases going.
I’ve mentioned Guiri, Ed and Mental Guy as all pinging me slightly. However all three have pinged me in past games, even when Town.
One good scum-hunting idea is to look for smudging. How about this:
I did call attention to the Lurkers, who are anti-Town, but asked Vig to kill them rather than Lynching them. (OTOH, if we can’t find another Lynchee toDay, Lynching Lurker may be as good as anything.) Similarly, that the one-off voters didn’t try to break the tie near end-of-Day seems somewhat anti-Town. But I’m not going to cast a vote on one of these unless I pick up some other scum-tell.
When you write “forgotten your promise … attempt to lead us astray” it seems to me you are misconstruing my words. I am trying to be helpful, suggesting lines for discussion and players pinging me slightly. But guiri, your Day 1 vote was almost a joke, and your Day 2 contribution is to smudge me. A point in your defense is that in prior games, for some reason, you often pick on Townie Septimus to smudge. Nevertheless it seems enough for a vote:
Vote: GuiriEnEspaña
In other news, as of today Mrs. Septimus and I have been married for exactly N years, so if I post again today, I’ll be giddy with champagne! (I’m keeping N secret – I don’t want any Googler to find out the wonderful Mrs. Septimus’ secret identity. 
– but will admit that N is a rather largish number.)
**choie **meant septimus
Anyway, **Septimus **is right. I’ve been too busy to post as much as I have, but I’ve been reading along and I should be able to come up with a vote later today hopefully.
Oh whoops, yes, you’re right. Dang, I could’ve sworn Guiri had been after special ed this whole time. Sorry about that.
To continue where I left off last night, FWIW…
Silver Jan:
[spoiler]- First post after Day begins just comments on there being not enough substantive posts.
Next she explains her absence (due to time zone issues) and ponders Svejk’s vote against her, saying that he claimed that it was random yet said he’d change his vote if someone “more suspicious” comes along.
A game mechanics post is next; she questions Astral’s math about how to guess whether there’s a vig, and says we can’t rule out a vig even if there’s no NK.
For a second time mentions how tough a Day One vote is (yep, same as me, so suck it, Inner! :D), adding a long list of stuff that she’s learned so far, basically repeating the game rules with a few not-even-rising-to-the-level-of-FOSes re: special ed and Inner, adds that she’s tempted to OMGUS (presumably Svejk) but shall refrain.
After Scathach’s mention that she’s only posting fluff, explains her understandably being distracted by extremely difficult RL circumstances (husband’s illness).
Next gets irritated when now-known-Townie fisha votes against her, and responds by voting for fisha. Admits this is an OMGUS vote but also claims to find fisha’s vote opportunistic.
Tells us she’ll be away for EOD as she’ll be travelling. Is pleased that Svejk has unvoted her since that makes him look less scummy.
Reminds Trepa that Svejk unvoted her.
Four days later is her next and most recent post (Dec 5), explaining that her access to the Web is limited due to locale; says it’s too bad we lost a cop (gregorio) and also ponders how wevets died, as she’s never played in a game with a bodyguard.
Analysis: Well, there’s not much to analyze from 15 posts, since due to personal circumstances she’s been mostly away from her computer. Everything she’s posted is very, well, Silver Jany; from what I’ve seen of her style in my last game (when she was Townie), fluff and emotional/reactionary voting is her thang. (And it got her unjustly lynched early in that game.) I don’t know if this is her style when she plays as Scum; anyone who’s played with her in other games will have to be the judge of that.
I do find it interesting that in her last post (the first/only post she made on Day Two), she expressed no remorse for having been wrong about fisha once the latter flipped town post-lynch. In fact, didn’t even mention her anti-fisha vote at all. Probably doesn’t mean anything, but since it’s opposite to how I would have posted, I can’t help but find it odd. Maybe that’s just a personal preference, though; it seems more natural to express remorse for lynching a fellow Townie. (Maybe a scummy person would’ve been sure to express remorse… WIFOM I suppose.)
Conclusion: Ugh, it’s kind of hard to even point a finger at her for her less-than-helpful (IMHO) contributions because I’m going to feel like utter shit since her husband’s illness naturally takes precedence over a forum game. In a way she’s tied our hands. If I were ignoring this issue and simply looking over her posts, especially her fisha vote and post-fisha’s death behavior–or lack of it–I’d find her fairly scummy, but how can I ignore the issue? Also I found her scummy as hell last time and she was as pure a Townie as could be, so much for my instincts.
So I guess I’m throwing my hands up in the air here. Scummy but with mitigating circumstances and besides, she always seems scummy to me. Null tell.[/spoiler]
I’ll do Inner Stickler later. (Heh.)
Vote Count:
Inner Stickler (1): Scathach
Guiri En Espana (1): septimus
Septimus, congratulations!
Well, there’s a reaction. I concede that your “I want to focus on” may not have been a promise but an intention however you didn’t actually do anything about it. When asked, you forgot that you suspected there were scum among that group and suggested vigging them for being anti-town instead, had nothing to say about the one-offers, so I read your initial comment as hollow posting for the sake of it, probably an attempt to misdirect, and certainly a distraction. Rather than suggesting lines for discussion, you should start the discussion and invite others to add their thoughts. Simply throwing out topics of discussion, without giving your own thoughts, is a nice way to lurk in plain sight. I love how you accuse me of misconstruing your posts given your summary of my contributions!
You have 8 posts to your name since confirming: a me-too vote on PCM following Astral’s, imho, faulty reasoning. You handwaved questioning about your vote as it was just a “weak day 1” vote, you added absurd post-hoc reasoning which you then wrote off a a joke, and suggested you’d move your vote if something better “came along”. Almost every suspicion you’ve stated has included a “but I was wrong before” qualifier. You invite discussion without chiming in yourself, express suspicion of a group of players without follow up, moan about anti-town players, cheerlead, and then omgus vote me for questioning your intentions. I’m not sure what your hypothetical was intended for but it seemed to be related to my willingness to vote a last minute tie breaker.
I suspect you’re scum and have been questioning you throughout the game trying to get a better read on you, your latest post has helped.
Vote Septimus
I remain suspicious of Scathach, a little less of choie based on her recent posts, and I hope Mahaloth comes back to the game.
More misconstruction. In my posts I’ve been very explicit about what I felt. I posed a hypothetical to try to guess how Scum would have reacted if PCM (or one of the other candidates) was on their team. My follow-up post regarding PCM’s “3rd vote” comment was serious; it mentioned a possible extra layer of Wifom which might or might not have been present. There may be an element of OMGUS in my vote on you, but you seem Scummier than anyone else to me right now.
BTW, I need to run some errands in the Big City and won’t return home till after End-of-Day. I hope to visit an Internet cafe once or twice during this time. Lynch deadline is midnight Friday my time and I hope to be on-line then. … Or I may be down on Soi Cowboy hoping to finally meet Siam Sam and buy him a beer! 
You mean the part you earlier said wasn’t serious?
I actually find Guiri’s vote for Septimus pretty compelling.
Vote Septimus.
Looking back on the game thread, I don’t really care for that post. It seem strange to question my case yet follow my lead, all in the same post.
If we lynch Septimus and he’s scum, we’d do well to consider what he says here, and draw the opposite conclusion:
It’s fine to focus on the lurkers, even if he eventually ends up not doing this. I’m still unclear on how he is so incredibly sure that all 3 lynch candidates were town. He mentions it somewhat in his previous post, but several people suggested that it might not be as clearcut as that. I’m concerned that he’s ignoring them, because to me it changes the perceived tone of the post. It has a whiff of “as we all know” lecturing while presenting a not-at-all-assured claim as fact. It also matches his previous post, which says “If, as many think…”
You don’t get to have it both ways. Your protestations to Guiri don’t ring true at all. This is an obvious complete 180 in thinking, and can’t be dismissed as easily as this:
Your words were not misconstrued. You didn’t suggest a line of discussion, nor did you mention any specific players that pinged you slightly. You clearly state that you, personally you, would like to focus on anti-town non-voters and one-off voters. You state that scum are likely to be found in this group. Your job is to find scum. Why would you suggest leaving them for our hypothetical vig?
Two errors I’d like to fix above:
“If we lynch Septimus and he’s scum, we’d do well to consider what he says here, and draw the opposite conclusion:” should end in a period. It is referring to the previous quote from Septimus, not the following quote.
I meant to add that I find it suspicious that Septimus voted for Precambrianmollusc for the flimsiest of reasons, and failed to unvote and vote for anyone else the rest of the day. Nobody was more suspicious to him than Precam? After Septimus had already dismissed the reason I had voted in the first place?
Anti-bah!
Poor septimus. Two votes and an anti-bah supporting one of the votes - and all that on his anniversary! I hope he gets to an internet cafe before EoD so he can reply to the charges against him. I want to consider them some more, but for now they do seem convincing to me.
So I posted this sometime during Day 1, almost a week ago today; FluidDruid never bothered to respond, nor did she change her ways by being more active and pursuing the lurkers. She’s only posted once since. Bit of a shame if you ask me! I strongly feel like voting to lynch her for this, but in a way I feel that I’d somehow rather play the game by actually voting for someone on the basis of what they actually say and do, rather than because they are absent from the game, which, to be fair, a lot of others are too. In addition to the abstainers, there’s those who did vote on D1 but who never really posted a lot since (like FluidDruid). Still, they did not come out and say ‘… we need to pursue lurkers’ (here)
For the moment, I don’t think I want to waste my vote on a lurker - but I might change my mind!
Well, I am finally on. I finally had plenty of time to play last night, and then wound up without access to my computer. I have a while tonight, so I am going to try to get a vote down after doing some rereading.
I do like the case against septimus, but don’t want to vote him without going back and looking at all he said in its context.
I also want to review Mahaloth, who was my initial suspect yesterDay.
Anyway, I hope to be back a bit later.
Does anyone have links to Dawns and Dusks?
Darn, should not have promised that. Now I have to make up my mind. It’s difficult, since as I said I want to vote for people on the basis of things they’ve said that somehow stuck out, but on D2 so far, other than myself, there’s really only been seven people that have actually contributed. Among the contributors I count Fubbles, Guiri, Astral Rejection, Choie, Septimus, Mahaloth, and Ed - and some of those only barely. Others have posted but their contributions have often been meager - Scathach, for instance, shoots of three quick posts (##447-9) including an easy vote against Inner Stickler but has not been back; Stickler himself only posted twice during D2 (once to ask about Mountain Grazing Time) and PreCambrian, perhaps basking in the fact that his almost-lynch has made other people think he is town, added a quick me-too when D2 began, and joked about when choie said ‘can’t we return to ritualistic night-killing’. GnarlyCharlie posted twice, but nothing very substantive there either. Other’s have chimed in to apologize for not posting at all, people like SilverJan, Hirka and MentalGuy.
Add **Orcenio **to that list, and there’s nine people right there who have not contributed on D2. Many of them have done little on D1 as well. There seems to be plenty of room for scum to hide in that group, since it is so large (who would notice a tenth person in that group?). In fact, with three townies dead, there is only 17 people left in the game so that makes this group of nine an absolute majority. If it was only three people or four, I would think that the group would be too small for scum to be hiding in it, it would simply be to obvious, and with (perhaps) a vig killing off lurkers, the risk for scum would be too big - but with a group of 9, the risk for lurking non-contributing scum is much smaller. If there’s five scum, and three are in the group of nine non-contributors, that would give 1/3 scum for that group as opposed to 1/3.5 in the other group of seven contributors (this group does not include myself; for myself, there’s a 0/1 scum ratio).
Of course, there may not be five scum so I don’t want to just base my vote on those differential ratios. Still, in a group of nine non-contributors, not all can hide behind RL, and as I said, the group is large enough for plenty of scum to hide in comfortably. I think FluidDruid is particularly egregious, a lurker claiming that lurkers should be pursued - but it’s somehow to obvious for me to think it warrants a vote. Scathach, on the other hand, I do suspect and will vote for
[ul]
[li]first she ‘misreads’ when EOD is on D1, failing to get in a vote. That raised my eyebrow :dubious: [/li][li]then on D2 she really quickly gets a votein for Inner Stickler. Why the rush? [/li][li]she contributes nothing to analysis of the events that just transpired 17 posts earlier, the deaths of **Gregorio **and Wevets. Of course, if you already know everything that happened during the night because you are scum, you’d better shut up because you might betray yourself, and there’s no point in asking questions :rolleyes:[/li][li]another quick post is to ask about whether Hirka T’Bawa is going to be mod-killed. Getting the mod to do your dirty work for you eh? You disgust me! :mad:[/li][li]finally, the case against **Stickler **is razor thin and not elaborate. Essentially it boils down to saying that he hides in plain sight, but D2 at that point was still young, it could be said of others, and of yourself in particular.[/li][/ul]
In sum:
vote Scathach