[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]
Just another casual observation…these player-summary posts are going to be god-awful to try and refer to as the game continues.
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I have put my list of summaries on my sig and will try to remember to use my sig. I will also do another list when there are enough summaries to warrant it. The list states who the summary is of and who did it.
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
Are you dismissing my misgivings as meaningless? Of course there is no absolute proof to finding scum. I am merely pointing out a flaw in the reasoning behind your supposed master plan. If you have any suggestions as to how we are to work around this flaw, please do tell.
I think there would have been more meaning to your FOSs if you had made them before your fate was sealed. You make them after you’re going to be dunked anyway. They haven’t been an influence in your garnering of votes. They are based on your reasoning that scum would play it safe and not jump on your bandwagon, leaving the town to do its dirty work for them. My point is that it could work the other way around as well. The bandwagon for you is so large and the consensus that you should be dunked is so overwhelming that there is plenty of room for scum to be hiding in it. How is this supposed to help us find scum? And this is not a snarky question - I am asking it sincerely. If you really are town and don’t want your death to be in vain, help me understand how we are to make the most of it.
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I fully expected for my fate to be in jeopardy Nut.I had to wait until I saw who was gonna vote for someone else before I could make my FOS’s and for that to happen there had to be a large number of votes for me.Understand?
I DO NOT deny that there was a scum or two that may have voted for me to strengthen the bandwagon(Mal and maybe USC).
You seem to be disregarding any chance that I might have unearthed a scum or two in my FOS’s…which,of course,strikes me as odd.
If you aren’t scum, try to be a little more open-minded,less stubborn and recognize that someone,other than you, might be right about something now and then.
Ya’ll think I am detremental to the town cause of the way I have played,but the way I see I am trading my life for a scum (maybe more). I really hope it works,so I don’t look completely foolish…er…I mean so the town bebefits.
Cookies,I was looking for people that were voting for someone other than me,not for those not voting at all,to answer your earlier question.
[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts]
[offgame]This is just a shameless plug for my upcoming game, Mafia VI. It’s a much simplier game compared to ones that’s been going on (not that these are bad), but it has less roles and much easier play, I feel, instead of having to go over a lot of options. It’s more like the first one here was.
It’s at the boards that Mal’s game was…which are my proboards: http://psychopathgame.proboards106.com/ and sign up is now open to everyone so sign up if you want. 
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Not sure if I will be able to juggle both these games at the same time :rolleyes: …but I will give it a go.
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
Not sure if I will be able to juggle both these games at the same time :rolleyes: …but I will give it a go.
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I don’t think juggling the games will be a problem. 
*No, I’m not being whooshed.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
I don’t think juggling the games will be a problem.
*No, I’m not being whooshed.
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Just so ya know, I wont be able to devote as much time to this game anymore.
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
If you aren’t scum, try to be a little more open-minded,less stubborn and recognize that someone,other than you, might be right about something now and then.
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If I were scum, I would not be making myself so visible by having this debate with you. I would vote for you and shut up, since your fate is practically sealed by this point. I am trying my best to figure out what, exactly, we are going to learn from your death. I don’t see how thinking your plan is flawed and trying to find a way to work around those flaws constitutes some kind of scum-tell, as you seem to be insinuating. There are others here who are content to label you a liar and lynch you on principle. While this option is tempting, I would rather that we find a way to make your plan work the way you say it should - assuming you are town.
I also don’t know why you are accusing me of insisting that I am right and everyone else is wrong. If your plan ends up helping us catch scum, then I am fully prepared to eat crow and admit that it was brilliant. I understand your reasoning behind your plan, and I understand how it could potentially work and how we might be able to catch a string of scum - but I also see how it could potentially end up a disaster, and how we may be left with nothing more than chaos that give scum more fodder for misdirection and a dead townie to boot. I’m sorry, but for the moment it seems like the latter is more likely. To me, anyway. I’m not sure what anyone else thinks of your plan, although I haven’t seen much support for it so far.
I feel like I am aruging in circles with you, so we’ll have to agree to disagree. To be fair, your scum list includes people that I have also found “odd” (such as Pleonast) so maybe despite my skepticism something good will come of it after all.
Oh, and stop calling me Nut, please. You may think I’m crazy, but I prefer you keep your opinion to yourself. 
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara]
My theory tells me that they were expecting the Crusader to come in to correct them (in other words, to add the missing information) since he’d probably had the different scenarios far more in mind than anyone else.
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Can I interest you in a razor? I think there are two ways of viewing this:
Yours is that non-Crusaders are likely to be less aware of the different possibilities, and that, nonetheless, the cultists might have realized this and launched a gambit to unmask the Crusader based on exploiting this supposed fact. Consequently, any post on the topic of possible night actions that fails to mention all of the different possibilities is evidence of this exploitation, and, consequently, the poster’s scumminess.
Mine is, given that non-Crusaders are likely to be less aware of the different possibilities, they consequently might not have mentioned them in a post on the topic of possible night actions.
As for me, personally, as best I can recall, I considered mentioning the blocking possibilities, but realized that with three different known blocking roles, and at least one secret role, all with differing capabilities and motivations, the prospect of producing an exhaustive list covering all of the possibilities in detail was just too daunting. Better to concentrate on the main actors, and rely on everyone else to be aware of that the actions of the blockers might have had some moderating effect.
Oh that reminds me. I think it was NAF who used the phase “Lynch all Liars.” I’d like to point out my view that I found NAF’s reaction to be overly strong. I don’t think MadTheSwine’s actions can be labeled lying. Mistaken, loony perhaps. I don’t see how MadTheSwine’s ploy is really ‘tricking town.’ At least the way Mad phrased it he clearly wants to trick scum, but just doesn’t seem to understand that scum and town will behave in indistinguishable ways. I’ve been suspicious of NAF before, but I find the declaration and rallying cry 'Lynch all Liars" to be a bit forced in this context. On the other hand, I don’t really see scum pressing the issue with Mad.
MadTheSwine, in order for your plan to work, you need the surviving town to accept the plan as feasible and follow through with it. So far, I don’t see any reason to follow through with your FOS 4; even if you turn up pro-town.
[QUOTE=sachertorte]
Oh that reminds me. I think it was NAF who used the phase “Lynch all Liars.” I’d like to point out my view that I found NAF’s reaction to be overly strong. I don’t think MadTheSwine’s actions can be labeled lying. Mistaken, loony perhaps. I don’t see how MadTheSwine’s ploy is really ‘tricking town.’ At least the way Mad phrased it he clearly wants to trick scum, but just doesn’t seem to understand that scum and town will behave in indistinguishable ways. I’ve been suspicious of NAF before, but I find the declaration and rallying cry 'Lynch all Liars" to be a bit forced in this context. On the other hand, I don’t really see scum pressing the issue with Mad.
MadTheSwine, in order for your plan to work, you need the surviving town to accept the plan as feasible and follow through with it. So far, I don’t see any reason to follow through with your FOS 4; even if you turn up pro-town.
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Sorry you feel it is forced. Mad was behaving falsly, which in the best case muddies the waters and makes it harder for town to figure out what is going on.
You may not think of this as being lied to, but I sure do.
For the first time in my playing this game someone actually managed to get me pissed off IRL.
Now, upon reflection I will say that I like Mad personally, and have enjoyed playing with him in the past and look forward to playing with him in the future. But as far as I am concerned, he can’t keep playing in this game. I think this went too far and is against the spirit of the game at the very least. And I am/was angry about that. This is a team game, and we are not here to dance for Mad’s ammusment.
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
I really hope it works,so I don’t look completely foolish…er…I mean so the town bebefits.
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In other words, you stepped in it and decided to go out with a bang. It’s cool, I’m pretty sure most of us are resigned to watching your death.
[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]
Can I interest you in a razor? I think there are two ways of viewing this:
Yours is that non-Crusaders are likely to be less aware of the different possibilities, and that, nonetheless, the cultists might have realized this and launched a gambit to unmask the Crusader based on exploiting this supposed fact. Consequently, any post on the topic of possible night actions that fails to mention all of the different possibilities is evidence of this exploitation, and, consequently, the poster’s scumminess.
Mine is, given that non-Crusaders are likely to be less aware of the different possibilities, they consequently might not have mentioned them in a post on the topic of possible night actions.
(snip)
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Funny. In your case, if you don’t recall, your comment was
This post is interesting because you mention, in one paragraph, that the different style of killing caught your eye and dismiss it in the next paragraph. Or, as I would see it, you mention the Crusader so there’s discussion about him… without really saying anything…
Regarding MadTheSwine, I find myself in conflict with myself. I’ll lay out what I think in a confused, jumbled fashion that reflects the confused, jumbled nature of my thoughts:
I think sachertorte was Hal’s breadcrumb. The “in my eyes” vs. “going with my gut” is, I think, pretty conclusive evidence. I think anyone voting for Mad on the basis that he might have been the crumb is mistaken, not looking for the truth hard enough, or malicious.
I think that MadTheSwine might be sincere in his plan, even if the execution was flawed. MadTheSwine mentioned that damned “Plan B” in advance of his claim, and I’ve been pestering him about for the last two days now. So this could be plan B; or, it could be MadTheSwine taking advantage of the fact that he previously mentioned some unspecified plan to concoct a ruse to save himself from swimming.
I agree with sachertorte, who suggested that the plan might have been more useful if it had been allowed to run unspoken until very near the day’s end, when more votes had been established. And so the timing of the revelation makes me lean away from “legitimate” and toward “ruse.”
I know that I’m far less comfortable with my vote now than I was before the revelation of this plan. But then, that might well have been the desired effect. Bah! It seems that it will require MadTheSwine’s death for me to be able to make up my mind.
[QUOTE=NAF1138]
Sorry you feel it is forced. Mad was behaving falsly, which in the best case muddies the waters and makes it harder for town to figure out what is going on.
You may not think of this as being lied to, but I sure do.
For the first time in my playing this game someone actually managed to get me pissed off IRL.
Now, upon reflection I will say that I like Mad personally, and have enjoyed playing with him in the past and look forward to playing with him in the future. But as far as I am concerned, he can’t keep playing in this game. I think this went too far and is against the spirit of the game at the very least. And I am/was angry about that. This is a team game, and we are not here to dance for Mad’s ammusment.
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What have I done against the spirit of the game?
[QUOTE=Zeriel]
In other words, you stepped in it and decided to go out with a bang. It’s cool, I’m pretty sure most of us are resigned to watching your death.
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I know you are.
[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]
Regarding MadTheSwine, I find myself in conflict with myself. I’ll lay out what I think in a confused, jumbled fashion that reflects the confused, jumbled nature of my thoughts:
I think sachertorte was Hal’s breadcrumb. The “in my eyes” vs. “going with my gut” is, I think, pretty conclusive evidence. I think anyone voting for Mad on the basis that he might have been the crumb is mistaken, not looking for the truth hard enough, or malicious.
I think that MadTheSwine might be sincere in his plan, even if the execution was flawed. MadTheSwine mentioned that damned “Plan B” in advance of his claim, and I’ve been pestering him about for the last two days now. So this could be plan B; or, it could be MadTheSwine taking advantage of the fact that he previously mentioned some unspecified plan to concoct a ruse to save himself from swimming.
I agree with sachertorte, who suggested that the plan might have been more useful if it had been allowed to run unspoken until very near the day’s end, when more votes had been established. And so the timing of the revelation makes me lean away from “legitimate” and toward “ruse.”
I know that I’m far less comfortable with my vote now than I was before the revelation of this plan. But then, that might well have been the desired effect. Bah! It seems that it will require MadTheSwine’s death for me to be able to make up my mind.
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I don’t believe I’ve formally voiced my views on sachertorte being the most likely breadcrumb, but I agree with Kyrie and others on that note.
Kyrie is not alone in his views that his uncertainty about Mad will not go away until Mad is dead, but that seems to be a risk that everyone on the bandwagon is willing to take.
Again, I think we’re running short on the luxury of being able to dunk a townie and then move on, especially for reasons that appear to boil down to differences of style and personality.
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
What have I done against the spirit of the game?
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Maybe it wasn’t against the spirit of the game. Like I said, you pissed me off. I am going to walk away for the rest of the Day. Maybe tomorrow I will be thinking more clearly.
(There is a little meta gaming going on in my anger that I am trying to not let get in my way, which is why I am going to walk away until the day is over. It involves the sign up thread for Idle’s game, and I may be misinterpriting things. So best to just walk away.)
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine]
I know you are.
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As I said to Mal on Day 1, I didn’t even vote for you, I just pointed out that your “plan” sucks. For serious.
[QUOTE=Zeriel]
As I said to Mal on Day 1, I didn’t even vote for you, I just pointed out that your “plan” sucks. For serious.
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I know you didn’t…that is my point.
And yeah it does suck…sucks for you!
Did Blaster Master ever tell us when the Day is officially ending? While I prefer 7:30PM EDT, others have express otherwise. Most importantly, the time should be clearly articulated by Blaster Master in advance.