Mafia V: The Cult of Sekham

[zuma]

You tell em, Idle

[Idle_Thoughts]

Dunno why it’s blank but here it is again.

@Hockey Monkey

Exactly! Idle is spending the credibility he earned with Kat’s death. Sorry Idle, but I don’t believe you. Your “emotional” pleas don’t ring true to me in this game. Last time you were going to be dunked despite your pleas, but a clarification of the rules got you off…not your 50 pt fonts. Besides, I don’t see how your status in one game effects your status in another. I think you are playing this one for all it’s worth, hoping that you will pull on some heartstrings, and we’ll all go “Yeah, the same thing happened in another game, and he is acting the same way, so he must be telling the truth.” Pbbbbt! Nice try Idle but I ain’t buyin’ it!

Vote stands!

Hey, that’s fine. I don’t know what else I can say or tell you. I just hope it’s not too late after you help kill off another town.

Because then it’s going to be too late for “I didn’t know! He seemed so scummy!”

[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

Here is another interesting cluster, involving my favorite faker, Idle. I say it is interesting because it demonstrates a level of potential collusion between Idle and FCOD that I find quite interesting considering how FCOD has behaved so far toDay. 2089, 2091, 2094, 2098,
2102, 2104,
2113, 2126

So you exhibit shady behavior and we both call you on it and WE’RE the shady ones for it? :rolleyes:

Still on a tangent away from monk crumbs, Idle’s interest was piqued by my lingering suspicions of Hockey, which I believe he nurtured as a potential wedge with which to cast suspicion on me when he might need/want to: 2212 and 2563

Again, and this was NOT shady on you…HOW?

And another crumb-stall to examine that zuma does indeed have a pattern of collusion of ideas with Idle, as he echoes Idle’s curiosity as to why I was still suspicious of Hockey. 2563, 2567,
2568,
2570.

Thanks for finding more crumbs that zuma and I had left for each other!
Seriously, though, and why couldn’t this be proof that zuma and I are the TRUE MONKS?

In closing, I’d like to advance the thought that Zeriel being selected for last night’s kill leads me toward the hunch that the recruitment has not yet taken place. I’m also moving FCOD right up behind Idle and zuma on my dunk list.

I don’t believe that for a second. Plus, you’re contradicting what’s going on. MHaye apprently checked out FCOD already and said he was clean, so if recruitment, to you, hasn’t happened, then how do you explain that?
Ah HA.

Caught.

[Idle_Thoughts]

What the hell?

Hockey says:

*Exactly! Idle is spending the credibility he earned with Kat’s death. Sorry Idle, but I don’t believe you. Your “emotional” pleas don’t ring true to me in this game. Last time you were going to be dunked despite your pleas, but a clarification of the rules got you off…not your 50 pt fonts. Besides, I don’t see how your status in one game effects your status in another. I think you are playing this one for all it’s worth, hoping that you will pull on some heartstrings, and we’ll all go “Yeah, the same thing happened in another game, and he is acting the same way, so he must be telling the truth.” Pbbbbt! Nice try Idle but I ain’t buyin’ it!

Vote stands!*

Hey, that’s fine. I don’t know what else I can say or tell you. I just hope it’s not too late after you help kill off another town.

Because then it’s going to be too late for “I didn’t know! He seemed so scummy!”

Cookies says:

Here is another interesting cluster, involving my favorite faker, Idle. I say it is interesting because it demonstrates a level of potential collusion between Idle and FCOD that I find quite interesting considering how FCOD has behaved so far toDay. 2089, 2091, 2094, 2098,
2102, 2104,
2113, 2126

So you exhibit shady behavior and we both call you on it and WE’RE the shady ones for it? :rolleyes:

Still on a tangent away from monk crumbs, Idle’s interest was piqued by my lingering suspicions of Hockey, which I believe he nurtured as a potential wedge with which to cast suspicion on me when he might need/want to: 2212 and 2563

Again, and this was NOT shady on you…HOW?

And another crumb-stall to examine that zuma does indeed have a pattern of collusion of ideas with Idle, as he echoes Idle’s curiosity as to why I was still suspicious of Hockey. 2563, 2567,
2568,
2570.

Thanks for finding more crumbs that zuma and I had left for each other!
Seriously, though, and why couldn’t this be proof that zuma and I are the TRUE MONKS?

In closing, I’d like to advance the thought that Zeriel being selected for last night’s kill leads me toward the hunch that the recruitment has not yet taken place. I’m also moving FCOD right up behind Idle and zuma on my dunk list.

I don’t believe that for a second. Plus, you’re contradicting what’s going on. MHaye apprently checked out FCOD already and said he was clean, so if recruitment, to you, hasn’t happened, then how do you explain that?
Ah HA.

Caught.

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

casually slips the hamsters some cookies, whispering…“Just remember, there’s more where that came from.”

[Idle_Thoughts]

Cookies says she, sach and MHaye are telling the truth.

She also says she doesn’t think recruitment has happened.

She also says she thinks that FCOD is probably scum.

MHaye has said he checked out FCOD on Night Six and that he came up believer.

Their stories don’t match up! DOES NOBODY ELSE SEE THIS?!

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

@Idle Thoughts

So you exhibit shady behavior and we both call you on it and WE’RE the shady ones for it? :rolleyes:

In more than a word, this is a game in which most things without shady intent or motivation are seen as shady. In a word, “yes”.

Thanks for finding more crumbs that zuma and I had left for each other!
Seriously, though, and why couldn’t this be proof that zuma and I are the TRUE MONKS?

I’ve obviously already stated my response to this question. If anyone else feels the need to respond, they have the floor.

I don’t believe that for a second. Plus, you’re contradicting what’s going on. MHaye apprently checked out FCOD already and said he was clean, so if recruitment, to you, hasn’t happened, then how do you explain that?
Ah HA.

Caught.
[/QUOTE]

So maybe he’s clean and I didn’t review my notes carefully enough, but he’s certainly being led around by his nose like a carefully fattened and prized steer.

[Hockey_Monkey]

@Pleonast

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The ideal course of action would be to not believe any of the Monk claimers and to without hold judgement on MHaye. Wait another Night to see if MHaye can come up with a good investigation. That means we should find an alternative dunkee for to Day.

I suggest someone from Group E, the Unknowns: USCDiver, NAF, Kyrie, Pygmy, Queuing. Depending on the scenario, from 1 to 4 of these are Cult. I don’t have a strong feel for any of them at the moment, so convince me one of them is worth voting for. I’m open to changing my vote to any of them. Voting to dunk sachertorte, in hopes of confirming MHaye, is nonproductive.

snippes.

Uh, no. Going into the group of unknowns today is too risky. And as for secrecy being our best ally, I’ll have to disagree now that we are at endgame. Pleonast, if there is something about your role that can benefit the town, I think you should spill.

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

Here’s that missing

[quote]

[Hockey_Monkey]

@Idle Thoughts

Cookies says she, sach and MHaye are telling the truth.

She also says she doesn’t think recruitment has happened.

She also says she thinks that FCOD is probably scum.

MHaye has said he checked out FCOD on Night Six and that he came up believer.

Their stories don’t match up! DOES NOBODY ELSE SEE THIS?!

Sigh…A believer reading could be the Prophet. Again, nice try Idle.

[Queuing]

@cookies

As for why I didn’t claim when Zeriel was still around, I decided to go against the grain of popular opinion, to try and be less predictable in the hopes that it might catalyze a mis-step.

Yet you use my not wanting the monks to claim as a reason to put me top on the list of whom you think is scum?

Uh, you have a consistency problem here. You wanted to let the Monks
decide about claiming. And then you ask the remaining Town power roles to reveal their powers. Secrecy is our best weapon.

Did you even read my post?

You, for some reason, want us to go after one of the unknowns. Listening to this I show how I have been consistent this whole game. This was because of the accusations of Cookie for one. As pointed out above she was/is trying to use my dislike of power role discussion as proof that I was scum.

Do you grant things have changed a bit in this game? We have 2 groups of people claiming to be monks. Hell for all we know they are ALL scum. They could be doing this with the idea that regardless of what group the people who don’t know jack will turn out to be scum and the other group will instantly be believed. I admit that this would only be possible if there were no monks left, a unlikely possibility.

You have a secret role, one we don’t know anything about. Right now we need all the information possible. As far as I can see we have a few anomalies and unknowns as well as some “knowns” in this game:

1. A non-kill night
2. zuma drunk posting
3. Cookies claiming to be monk, outing sachertorte
4. Idles counter claiming, outing zuma
5. mhaye as apprentice or at least no counterclaims to such a thing, but one who found no scum
6. a secret role that no one but the claimed has info about
7. hockey monkey is the miller, no counterclaim so it should be believed, but true alliance is unknown
8. catina suit is the disciple, may or may not have a double save left.

Taking them 1 by 1.

1. A block may have occurred. IIRC the miller said she blocked Kyrie that night. Alternatively a recruitment may have occurred that night. If this happened we have no idea who may have been recruited, the 2 leading candidates are mhaye and hockey monker. Either is as likely as the other.

2 Who knows what this was? Apologies by zuma to diggit, disbeleiving of mhaye claim. Why did zuma not believe mhaye? There has been no counter claim and it is not feasible that there wouldn’t have been by now. This thinking of drunk Zuma has not been explained. All he said was he was drunk and bothered his friends about mafia. I would like to hear the why behind this thinking ASAP

3. The first monk claim. Who knows?

4. This followed quickly by the counter claim.

5. no scum found by this apprentice. He investigated a lot of role claims and found no scum. The one test of his claim was proven wrong. This is possible of course, the apprentice is not foolproof. However the way he has played the game, or at least the way he claims to have played the game is quite convenient for the scum. All he has done is confirm dead people. Bad luck? A 6th sense? Who knows?

6. Secrecy is our best weapon.

7. Potentially converted. Only way to tell is kill her, chances of this happening are slim anytime soon. However we do have 1 important piece of information from her now. She has claimed that she blocked Kyrie on the no-kill night (IIRC, yes I haven’t had time to do as thorough of a read as I had hoped). This could give us another explanation for the no-kill night.

8. The last explanation for the no-kill night. Catina can take away this explanation or confirm it. Frankly, IMO, by not confirming the power is gone she is basically saying it still exists.

So what the hell does this mean?

IMO, the important thing is that no-kill night. What the hell happened that night? We have a few options.

a) Freftul was the target and self-protected. However fretful went the next night. If fretfuk had self-protected and no kill happened I would think the correct move would have been to self-protect the next night as well. So I don’t think this happened.

b) Hockey Monkey blocked Kyrie and in turn, the clut. If we wanted to go by what pleonast would have us do this is the person who it makes most sense to kill of the unknowns. Finding out what Kyrie is could give credence to the block or take it away as an option. I suppose this is a doable action. Of course if I am misremembering then substitute the person who Hockey did block here.

c) Fretful used the magic protect all power. This would be pretty dumb, and I summarily dismiss it. Ok, maybe not summarily as if Catina wants to 100% dismiss it she may do so.

d) a recruitment happened. Potentially the recruitment was Hockey. If so then whomever she tells us she blocked would be a lie. The recruit also may have been sachertorte who told the cult who the priest was and is now being used to “confirm” 2 monks. Even if they are caught the real monks have been forced to claim allowing the scum to now know all. This may be a winning move by them solely because they have such a big lead they can afford the death of 3 to find out the true roles of all.

e) they did it just to fuck with us. I doubt this happened.

So what do I think? I am sure you are all waiting with baited breath. I think B or D happened. Of D, I think it is more likely that sachertorte was the recruit. That group of monks have not given us a good explanation for what happened that no-kill night. If B happened we can find out easily enough by killing whomever Hockey Monkey blocked. I think this is what we should do. If we kill Kyrie and find out she is scum it lends more credence to the claim of sach, mhaye and cookies. If she isn’t scum it lends more credence to Idle and Zuma. So toDay I say we kill Kyrie. For tomorrow we kill Sachertorte or Idle.

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

@Queuing

Yet you use my not wanting the monks to claim as a reason to put me top on the list of whom you think is scum?

Either this occurred so long ago that I don’t remember (anything over 48 hours ago would qualify) or you’re thinking I’m someone else.

[Queuing]

I was right, it was Kyrie who Hockey Monkey claimed to have blocked. She did so right here:

Post 3158 - Hockey Monkey says she blocked Kyrie and votes for Kyrie . So therefore here is my blue writing:

Dunk Kyrie

[Queuing]

@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies

Either this occurred so long ago that I don’t remember (anything over 48 hours ago would qualify) or you’re thinking I’m someone else.

Oops, you are right, sorry about that, it was Hockey Monkey who said so, right here post 3176 in my defense you posted 3175 :).

Furthermore, Catina Suit why do you believe this:

@Catina Suit

Hockey Monkey - Sorry, but unless we have a large reduction in Cult numbers I don’t see the Alchemists as being effective. I also don’t think Kyrie Eleison is a Cultist

link (post 3165) . Why not? What reasons do you have to believe in the goodness of Kyrie?

Use Occam all you want, but it completely dismisses other possibilities. If you can come up with another explanation for the no-kill night then the ones I listed in my recent long post I would love to hear it. Right now, IMO, that night is the key to this whole thing. You have information that can take away one of the options, I urge you to spill the beans now. Another way to find out what happened that night is to kill kyrie.

[Idle_Thoughts]

I don’t believe that for a second. Plus, you’re contradicting what’s going on. MHaye apprently checked out FCOD already and said he was clean, so if recruitment, to you, hasn’t happened, then how do you explain that?
Ah HA.

Caught.

So maybe he’s clean and I didn’t review my notes carefully enough, but he’s certainly being led around by his nose like a carefully fattened and prized steer.

Caught again.

I note you didn’t say “So maybe he’s the Prophet, then”. Why not? Didn’t THIS occur to you if you are REALLY what you claim to be?

But no, it never came to your mind, did it. Because you already KNOW who the Prophet is, don’t you? :dubious:
Seriously, nobody is catching these things but me? It’s SO OBVIOUS when you KNOW someone is LYING! God, how I wish the lot of you knew.

[Idle_Thoughts]

@Hockey Monkey

Sigh…A believer reading could be the Prophet. Again, nice try Idle.

You thinking I don’t know that already? :rolleyes:

But it’s obvious from her reply to me that it just so happened to slip HER mind for some odd reason. How conveinent.

Bad memory? Or slip up because she already knows who the Prophet is? I KNOW it’s the latter, but how can it not be obvious to you?

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

Maybe it never came to my mind because I can be a dumbass. It is right up there in my list of character traits with strange, incompetent and unhelpful.

I’m interested in hearing more thoughts of voting in directions other than towards Idle and zuma. I think this is our one Day, possibly our last Day, to hunker down and try to nuke the Prophet from orbit. If we hit the Avatar, Nairu willing we’ll take one of the scum down with him/her.

[Hockey_Monkey]

Nothing in this game has been obvious to me. It’s easier to see the obvious when you have information. One of the reasons I’m so enjoying watching your Psycho game unfold. So since I don’t have any information in this game other than what is public and what I know my actions have been, no, it’s not obvious.

[Queuing]

Do you know what I wish? That you weren’t treating us like a bunch of idiots for not knowing whom to believe. It isn’t helping your case, in fact it is very reminiscent of the way brewha acted in M2 and we never listened to him because he began to froth at the mouth about how we couldn’t see what he saw looking like a raving lunatic honestly. He wasn’t right btw.

I am not saying don’t answer the other side, do, we want and need to hear your thoughts, but drop they “how can you not see it? It is so obvious!”. The line you aren’t typing is “you bunch of morons!”, but I think we all see it nonetheless.

Perhaps you could give your thoughts to what Pleonast had to say? Or maybe the idea of complete disclosure of all power roles and what they have done? How about the idea of trying to find out what happened that no-kill night?

[Queuing]

@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies

I’m interested in hearing more thoughts of voting in directions other than towards Idle and zuma. I think this is our one Day, possibly our last Day, to hunker down and try to nuke the Prophet from orbit. If we hit the Avatar, Nairu willing we’ll take one of the scum down with him/her.

Well I know someone who thinks we should vote for a whole different group of people

[zuma]

@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies

I’m interested in hearing more thoughts of voting in directions other than towards Idle and zuma.

Or you or sach :rolleyes:

We’re not the ones making contradictory conclusions regarding MHaye