Ah, ok, I did not look at post times.
Therein lies the dilemma. I am certain (do the degree that one can be certain in this game) that Idle Thoughts is Cult, as well as zuma. We can dunk them in quick succession. However, one could be the Avatar and we could suffer collateral damage that could potentially be game ending. Especially if the Prophet recruits. I think it’s game over in that case. I was going for a bird in the hand approach earlier in the Day, but I don’t know now. I really don’t know. And I really don’t want to be accused of leading a false lynch if **Kyrie ** is neither Cult nor the Prophet. But right now, my gut is telling me what to do. I would like to hear from the one’s I have not accused of being Cult to see what they think about it. I’m going to keep my vote on Kyrie.
Yo, Hockey, remember what happened last time you were so sure of what your night actions yielded when they had less than a 100% chance of success?
Your logic was the other person from this group that seemed to have a real shot. I’m pretty sure I addressed why I thought you would put your vote there.
Whoops, hit send too early!
Anyway, the reason I haven’t made up my mind on who to vote for yet is because I was sure somebody would slip at some point. I haven’t really seen that happen yet.
Yo, Pygmy, remember I said that I didn’t know if my actions were what accounted for the NO KILL or not? Make up your own mind. Oh, wait…I think you are scum. Trying to discredit me with something that I did in my very first Mafia game evar? 
I think our best bet is to take the bird the hand: Idle. To counter the Avatar, I think MHaye, CatinaSuit, and then Hockey (in that order) should withdraw their vote whenever the vote total goes above 7.
My only fear is that we are too late in the Day to have a good discussion, and get a consensus, about who of the 5 we should dunk. It might be too last minute. I’ll keep my vote on Idle Thoughts for now, and check in later to see if anything has shifted.
I’m less enthusiastic about the Kyrie dunk than the NAF dunk.
**Queuing **and Cookies, could you point out why Kyrie for me? I know about the hockeyMonkey night 6 target on Kyrie, but I’m going to need more than that to be convinced.
Queuing, I don’t think Cookies has unvoted yet. She is just saying she would be willing to do so. Just like I’m willing to switch back to NAF, and possibly Kyrie if a full case is made.
Pleonast, I think the theory is that it is unlikely for Idle Thoughts or zuma to be the Prophet. Under the assumption that a recruit hasn’t happened, targeting the unknown 5 now has a better chance of hitting the Prophet and stopping a recruitment. Slight stuff I admit, but we have to address the 5 eventually, and I think sooner is better than later so that we can reduce the number of unknowns. In other words, killing one Today reduces the number of unknowns to 4. Hopefully MHaye gets a read on one of them tonight and lives. That leaves 3 (though idealistically).
EBWOP: Oops, I should have been more clear. If the case I’ve laid out fails to convince, I’ll change my vote to whoever the vote leader is when nightfall draws near to provide cover from any possible avatar effect. I only assume that the leader will be Idle.
Ehh, I still think you or MHaye was recruited.
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Well I have been trying to go for the unknown 5 for a whole day now :).
I don’t have anything else to offer you.
About the 5 I know 2 things:
- I am a vanilla believer
- Kyrie was the target of our accepted Miller (the name for this game escapes me right now) on the night of the no-kill potentially meaning Kyrie is scum and the miller block worked.
I don’t expect you to believe me about #1, but #2 is pretty much a fact. It is the only “fact” I know, therefore it is the only thing I can act on. I don’t see why this is so unlikely, it has an 18% or 13% or something chance of working (the block I mean), so why just dismiss it?
Killing any of the other 4 gains us no new information (beyond their alliegience of course). The killing of Kyrie eliminates a possibility of what happened that no-kill night. NO other course of action that is currently possible does. Killing Idle does not help us know what happened that night, neither does killing you. Quite simply that is why I want to kill Kyrie.
I’m starting to feel like I should draw up a contract. Further addendum, to prevent nitpickiness from those who might like to cast unwarranted aspersions: I will change my vote to the vote leader at nightfall to protect against the avatar, provided that the vote leader is someone whom I am otherwise willing to vote for. Idle is one such person.
Hehe, it would be fun to observe (with or without full knowledge) a Mafia game where all the players are lawyers.
You and I have a vastly different definition if the word “fun” 
Oh my… this 70 page game would look like chump change next to that monstrosity.
Given that myself and **MHaye ** are on London time, we may not be around for the dunking at 4am our time.
I will try to be online, but wil leave my vote where it stands as frankly, we need everyone on **Idle Thoughts ** at the end of the day and I don’t want to let the scum off the hook.
I am quite prepared to take my chances.
(And **Pleonast ** had better be an Avatar blocker for a secret role )
And only the office paralegals would have any idea of who was really scum.
Actually, most fun would be no power roles, everyone is vanilla Townie and no scum. The moderator would just randomly kill a player each Night.
Ok, that may be too cruel to inflict even on lawyers. Maybe.
A hypothetical:
Assumptions: Myself, sachertorte, Catina, MHaye, and Hockey are all as we have claimed to be and are unconverted. (I’m not opening the potential can of worms that is Pleonast’s special powers or alignment.)
We dunk Kyrie toDay and it turns out he was not scum, and that the coincidence that Hockey blocked Kyrie on Night 6 was just that…a coincidence.
If the game isn’t over at that point, or by the time Dawn coughs up another town body, what do we learn aside from the coincidence?
It wouldn’t necessarily bode well for Queueing, or any other “unknowns” who voted to lynch Kyrie, but I can see the potential for unknown innocents being in that population of voters (Queuing included). Then you throw in the possible aftermath of a recruitment if the Night’s blocks fail. If we end up being that wrong about Kyrie, and unlucky with our blocks, what kind of chance of victory are we looking at?
My vote is staying where it is. This is just a train of thought that I’d like some feedback on. I can be dense, and I’m assuming that I’ve missed something.
How much we need to worry about Sekham’s Revenge depends on whether the Cult has already used its recruitment or not at this point.
If the recruitment has been used, then even if the game is in a Lynch or Lose (LyLo) state, the Town can soak up the extra death and still maintain a numerical advantage over the Cult, provided that they execute a Cultist every night.
If the recruitment has not been used now then after it has been and LyLo is achieved, the extra death means that the Town will enter that Night with only one more player than the Cult, and the Cultists can achieve their win condition. The town can then win only if the Avatar is the last Cultist standing.
The big danger of Sekham’s Revenge is that the death hits someone the Town still needs.