Mafia V: The Cult of Sekham

The Game Room
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Let’s consider your points one by one:

[QUOTE=Queuing]
The only slightly suspicious thing is that kyrie and Idle voted together one day and that Kyrie did not vote one day.
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Is everyone who voted for the same person that Idle did on some day equally suspicious? Or is it just me, Q?

Cite, please. I did two such “posting history posts,” and that includes the one I did of a select few of my own posts at sachertorte’s request. So I did no such thing, and this is the second time you’ve made this claim, and the second time I’ve had to refute it. It doesn’t get any truer with repetition.

Queuing, I think you know damn well the non-vote was not “at least once,” it was just once, and your phrasing here is intentionally and misleadingly suggestive. And I missed casting that vote because someone (oh yeah, it was you,) was making noise about not starting the timer. Cite.

I can’t really address whatever concerns you have about CJ, but that you have to reach back to day one at this late stage of the game and rely on vague impressions of someone’s posting style, combined with the untruthfulness of your other points, makes me think that you’re doing just that – reaching for some excuse to try to color your intended vote with legitimacy.

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Oh just for note:

CatinaSuit is short for “Cheshire Cat in a Suit”. :smiley:

And I’m definitely male.

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A question for those of you who are suggesting that we should keep zuma alive: If we do so, how do we know when to kill him? What if he’s the last scum, even now? While I doubt that very much, presumably there comes a point when he is the last, and I’d like to avoid lynching townie after townie while he stands in the corner snickering.

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[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]
A question for those of you who are suggesting that we should keep zuma alive: If we do so, how do we know when to kill him? What if he’s the last scum, even now? While I doubt that very much, presumably there comes a point when he is the last, and I’d like to avoid lynching townie after townie while he stands in the corner snickering.
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We know he’s not the last scum now because there is at least the Avatar and the Prophet left. The reason for keeping him around is that it gives the Alchemist a definitive target each night for a block. As we lynch more and more scum, the chance of a successful block goes up.

You’re right, though, at some point we have to lynch him. We will have to have that discussion when it comes to that point.

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[QUOTE=USCDiver]
We know he’s not the last scum now because there is at least the Avatar and the Prophet left.
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:smack:

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[QUOTE=CatinaSuit]
Oh just for note:

CatinaSuit is short for “Cheshire Cat in a Suit”. :smiley:

And I’m definitely male.
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See, I envisioned you as a business woman named Catina who always wore a suit.

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[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]
:confused:

It matters if

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[li]a) a single cultist carries our the kill attempt.[/li][li]b) our Alchemist hasn’t been converted.[/li][/list]

By keeping zuma alive, we have a chance of the Alchemist blocking any kills that he would be selected to carry out.
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I’ve already outed myself as someone who does not think about this game mathematically, but my perplexity arose simply from the fact that with zuma alive we have a chance (however small it may be) for a block which we would not have at all if he were dead. I thought Pygmy was trying to say that (however small) chance didn’t matter.

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[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]
I’ve already outed myself as someone who does not think about this game mathematically, but my perplexity arose simply from the fact that with zuma alive we have a chance (however small it may be) for a block which we would not have at all if he were dead. I thought Pygmy was trying to say that (however small) chance didn’t matter.
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I can’t tell from this post if you understand what I was saying, but I’ll clear it up anyway. I was just saying that it doesn’t matter mathematically if BlaM choses somebody randomly, or if he multiplys the success rate of a block times one divided by how ever many Cult are left.

Let’s keep zuma alive until we find either the Avatar or the Prophet. Then he goes. I think that’s our best bet, since with those two alive, even if he’s one of them, we know there’s at least one left.

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[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison
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Let’s consider your points one by one:
Is everyone who voted for the same person that Idle did on some day equally suspicious? Or is it just me, Q?

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Nah, just you. In case you missed it, it was a totality sort of thing. Not much by itself but maybe (or maybe not, see any blue yet?) another point against you.

[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]

Cite, please. I did two such “posting history posts,” and that includes the one I did of a select few of my own posts at sachertorte’s request. So I did no such thing, and this is the second time you’ve made this claim, and the second time I’ve had to refute it. It doesn’t get any truer with repetition.

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Ok, I will try and see if my impression of you doing that is true or not. I will do my damndest to do this before the end of the day. It is an impression I have though, maybe I am the only one, maybe not. Regardless this game is about impressions so I will make no apologies for saying my impression of your actions.

[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]
Queuing, I think you know damn well the non-vote was not “at least once,” it was just once, and your phrasing here is intentionally and misleadingly suggestive. And I missed casting that vote because someone (oh yeah, it was you,) was making noise about not starting the timer. Cite.

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You may think that however it is not true. It is just something I happened to have noticed while looking at Idle. Regardless big damn deal that I wanted the day extended. That is an incredibly lame excuse for not laying down a vote, or do you always listen to me?

[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]
I can’t really address whatever concerns you have about CJ, but that you have to reach back to day one at this late stage of the game and rely on vague impressions of someone’s posting style, combined with the untruthfulness of your other points, makes me think that you’re doing just that – reaching for some excuse to try to color your intended vote with legitimacy.
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Um, ok. So basically you should not be held responsible for the actions of your role when it wasn’t your role? Or is it just that we should ignore all of Day1? Sorry we can’t do the 1st (to many subs) and doing the second is not feasible either.

Reaching? Ok, fine, how far back am I allowed to go when I am looking at someone? Can you tell us all? Day 2? Day 3? Just yesterDay? It sure will make things easier knowing I only have to go back so far.

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[QUOTE=Queuing]
Um, ok. So basically you should not be held responsible for the actions of your role when it wasn’t your role? Or is it just that we should ignore all of Day1? Sorry we can’t do the 1st (to many subs) and doing the second is not feasible either.

Reaching? Ok, fine, how far back am I allowed to go when I am looking at someone? Can you tell us all? Day 2? Day 3? Just yesterDay? It sure will make things easier knowing I only have to go back so far.
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Nah, go back as far as you wish. Like I said, it was that combined with the truthfulness of your other points. It was a totality sort of thing. :dubious:

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[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger]
I can’t tell from this post if you understand what I was saying, but I’ll clear it up anyway. I was just saying that it doesn’t matter mathematically if BlaM choses somebody randomly, or if he multiplys the success rate of a block times one divided by how ever many Cult are left.

Let’s keep zuma alive until we find either the Avatar or the Prophet. Then he goes. I think that’s our best bet, since with those two alive, even if he’s one of them, we know there’s at least one left.
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I do understand now. I was just trying to clarify my response as not being any sort of a mathematical rebuttal.

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[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]
Nah, go back as far as you wish. Like I said, it was that combined with the truthfulness of your other points. It was a totality sort of thing. :dubious:
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Where did I lie again?

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Well, given that **Idle Thoughts ** did vote for **Kat ** on Day 2, it kind of blows out of the water that the Cult would not vote for each other at end of day.

The problem is I cannot see more than two of them being on a Cultist bandwagon because of the Avatar risk.

So, I compiled the following interesting facts:

Idle Thoughts:
No-one voted for him until Day 8 (except Pleonast) , followed by his dunking on day 9.
Other than Kat and Pleonast, he only voted for confirmed townies.

zuma v2:
Has only been voted for once each by **Diggit ** (town) and **Queuing ** (unknown).
Other than Pygmy Rugger, has only voted for confirmed townies.

You can see why these two tried to claim Monk, they were not thought of as scum at all and there were always other targets.

Kat:
Only voted for confirmed townies.

Voted for by NAF1138, Diggit v2, Mtgman, Kyrie Eleison on Day 1
Voted for by Fretful Porpentine, Diggit v2, SnakesCatLady, Kyrie Eleison, Scuba_Ben, Idle Thoughts

If we say that only only one Cultist would be likely to vote for another on any given day, I would hazard a guess that **Kyrie ** is a townie and **NAF1138 ** is a Cultist.

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[QUOTE=Queuing]
Where did I lie again?
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[QUOTE=Queuing]
… she came in guns ablazing with many posting history posts.
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Few people would consider two to be “many.”

In truth, I was a bit snippy because this is the second time we’ve been over this.

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[QUOTE=Kyrie Eleison]
Few people would consider two to be “many.”

In truth, I was a bit snippy because this is the second time we’ve been over this.
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So? I am only allowed to say something once? That fact that you disagree with me on your potential alignment does not mean that I will shut up about it.

Of the people we don’t know about I find you the most likely to be scum. I think that the complete underplayment (I think I just made up a word) of the role of Pygmy Rugger and the lack of modkilling by BM makes me believe—well I don’t know to be honest but I have already gone hard at Pygmy for a day or 2 and no one was willing to listen so I came to the conclusion that was I was saying was not making sense to anyone else. If that is the case I might as well just shut-up about it.

I have no real idea about NAF, except my gut says he is a townie of some sort. I am more then willing to listen to any arguments about him.

Same deal for USC Diver.

Again that is the impression I have of you, I thought it when you came into the game. I concede the possibility that I have you mixed up in my mind with another one of the subs. As said, I will try to look through the game and see if my impression of you is correct or not. The other points—well I find it just as disingenuous for you to say

[QUOTE=kyrie]

that you have to reach back to day one at this late stage of the game
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as you do that I said “non-vote at least once”. However what I said is factually true, and that was all I knew about your non-voting history (or lack thereof) while what you said about me is just a fact of the game and the way it is suppose to be played.

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[QUOTE=Queuing]
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I have no real idea about NAF, except my gut says he is a townie of some sort. I am more then willing to listen to any arguments about him.

Same deal for USC Diver.

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Queuing, I find this to be a very odd choice of words, since all the town roles have claimed. Why not just say townie and leave it at that?

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[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
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Queuing, I find this to be a very odd choice of words, since all the town roles have claimed. Why not just say townie and leave it at that?
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I meant he could very well be a non-believer or a believer but still a member of the town.

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I am going to vote Queuing.

I am not sure of anything in this game anymore. Funny how a single game can sort of shatter your preconcived notions about how people work.

He doesn’t think I am scum, which is partly what makes this hard. But I am not liking his argumenst agains Kyrie. In fact their little back and forth feels lot like a preconcieved scum gambit to me.

If we as a town are going to decided not to dunk zuma (and this seems like the right decision strategically to me) then I think it’s Queuing’s turn to float.

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Yes, the right decision is to not dunk me. I want to liiiiiiive

vote: Queuing

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[QUOTE=zuma]
Yes, the right decision is to not dunk me. I want to liiiiiiive

vote: Queuing
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Well hell, I don’t know what to do with that.