That’s why it’s better to dunk zuma now. So he can’t play with our heads.
Hmm, this is going to be a pain. While I certainly understand the theory behind leaving a known Cultist remain alive, zuma is going to be a thorn in our side until we Burn him. Why can’t he just go back to lurking and stuff today!
I consider zuma to be locked up in the town jail awaiting execution. As such we should just ignore everything he says. Like a criminal yelling out everything he thinks people want to hear to save his ass.
[Glenn Close] I will NOT be ignored![/Glenn Close]
unvote: Queuing
vote: USC
awww, my first vote since Pleonast on Day 1!!!
This is how I consider him as well. He can post all he wants, but it means very little. We just have to make sure that who ever we decide to dunk today we dunk by a margin larger then 1 to ensure Zuma can do nothing.
Ok, so lets see if I have this right. I have been calling for Kyrie’s death since yesterDay because I didn’t want to do what the scum so obviously wanted us to do. I have put together a case that has some merit, even if it is very little. I admit it isn’t the strongest case, but that no-kill night bugs me.
So putting a case together against someone is now a reason for you to find that person scummy? :dubious:
And you use the conversation between the accuser and the accusee as a “scum gambit”? :dubious:
Sorry, but huh? That is even lamer then my case against kyrie.
Maybe lame, but it’s the best I got. Plus, you just admited that your case againt Kyrie is weak. But you are persuing it anyway.
:dubious:
Hmm, show me where I wrote something down in blue.
Oh I haven’t? hmmm…
Your best is not very good. Your justification for voting for me is hardly any justification at all. Basically I am being voted for by you because I happened to call attention to someone. I raise you :dubious: :dubious:
I’m in favor of keeping zuma in a cage until we kill either the Prophet or the Avatar.
Other than that, I got nothing to add.
–FCOD
I can get behind this at least for a Day or two. We probably can’t go much longer than that before killing the Dead Man Walkin’. There’s a good chance he IS the Avatar, so we need to key on on the Prophet. My top candidate is still Kyrie Eleison.
You can go longer, HM! Here I’ll help you out…
unvote: USC
vote: Kyrie
Can you explain your reasons? It seems when I do it means I am scum so I am curious to see what it means when you do it.
Let’s see…
I administered a sleeping potion to Kyrie Eleison on night 6. That would be the night that nobody got dead. Now while I can’t assume that my action had any effect whatsoever, it is possible that Kyrie is a Cultist, possibly the Prophet. So since this is the only good lead that we have on the Cult, that would be my reason.
Hope this clears things up for you. 
Did I say any of those things? Did I suggest that you should say anything only once, or that you shouldn’t voice your opinion? I do ask you to get your facts straight. Is that really too much to ask?
And, look, all of this is true. From a third-person point-of-view, I think Hockey Monkey is over-estimating the likelihood that her action would have an effect even if a cultist were targeted, and is seriously over-estimating the meaningfulness of targeting any given person and seeing a no-kill night. From a first-person point-of-view I know she’s over-estimating her effect in this specific instance. But I know that she can’t know the latter, and is subject to bias in the former, so I can understand where she’s coming from.
The one thing I don’t understand is that she previously expressed belief that I’m the Prophet. While I can see interpreting her block on me and the resulting no-kill night as slight evidence that I’m scum, I don’t understand why she seems to think that I’m the Prophet, as opposed to generic scum. But then, I haven’t asked about it until now either.
This wouldn’t be the first time Hockey overestimated her night powers and lead the town astray. Just sayin…
Well,
I have been back of **zuma’s ** and **Idle Thought’s ** posts to see if they would give any clues as to the other scum.
For zuma v2 only three things really pop out.
- A push at **USCDiver ** to try and gain more info
- Claiming **Mal/Pygmy ** as a godfather in trouble scenario
- Claiming **Queuing ** was scum , saying he will look into it but not following it up.
As for Idle Thoughts, how did he say so much without saying much at all.
I think only the following three posts would be useful as he mentions the whole town in them each time.
So, any thoughts on them (Idle or otherwise) would be useful.
I’m not so sure that we should be so ready to abandon the idea of killing zuma[sub]2[/sub] yet. However, it’s more important that the town stick together right now.
Unless you assume that the Cult decided that they were going to lose so they might as well go out in a blaze of glory, they hatched the plan of false claiming Monks with the intention of winning. To think they had a chance of winning, they must have had a realistic chance (or at least believed they had a realistic chance) of getting one of the counterclaimers killed, and that success meant either win on the spot or that they could overcome the handicap of playing with two people known to be Cultists and still win.
The minimum number of operational Cultists Yesterday was three – the Prophet, the Avatar and Idle Thoughts. Is that sufficient numbers to get one of their enemy executed? To win with only three means they’d either have to dupe many Townies and/or split the Town vote bigtime. Then, after recruitment, they’d have four Cultists to the town’s nine with two Cultists right in the open. I conclude that there are more than two Cultists living now.
I consider that the Cult needed to be in a position where, after execution of a Townie, a successful kill or recruitment meant they’d put the game into Lynch or Lose. I therefore suggest that, as a minimum, there were five operational Cultists yesterday. Not only would it be a lot easier to steer the vote, but with only four Cultists plus a recruitment, the most favourable position the Cult could be in would be five members to eight Town, with two cultists right in the open. They then either have to wait for Town to kill one of their own or the Avatar be killed and Sekham’s Revenge strike down a townie. All the while hoping a future kill doesn’t get blocked by the Disciple and/or the Alchemist.
Thus Yesterday the cult is likely to have had five or six members, and may or may not have used the recruitment. On this basis, going into last Night, there were four possibles.8 Town, 4 Cult, recruitment used.
8 Town, 4 Cult, recruitment unused.
7 Town, 5 Cult, recruitment used.
7 Town, 5 Cult, recruitment unused.None of these can be eliminated by the Night action results. Basically, we can afford either one mislynch or none. I don’t think it’s wise to assume we can afford a mislynch as we lose if we’re wrong. Therefore we should play as if one mistake ends the game.
In short, we can’t kill for information. We have to go for who we really think is scummy. I’m willing to leave the decision for a while, especially since I need some food, but this inclines me to execute zuma[sub]2[/sub] first.
More later.
Again you want to bring up what I did in another game? If you want to smudge me find something from this game to do it with.
I acknowledge that the evidence is thin, but dunking you has better odds than a shot in the dark. I’m less inclined to think you are the Prophet now that there has been some explaination by Blaster Master as to his process for administering a Cult night action, but it doesn’t absolve you of that role either. I’m not over-estimating my effect on the game at all. I’m not saying that my powers worked that night. I’m saying that it is the only evidence we have, and acting on that evidence is better than flying blind.