I don’t have a pet at present, but I have owned dogs, fish and a canary in the past, and am very much looking forward to having a dog again someday.
I’m also an avid though haphazard gardener, which isn’t really the same thing but I think it does have a bearing on the whole “varieties of the nurturing mindset” issue.
If I live that long, yes. However, it’s approximately 15 years in the future, so much can happen between now and then.
Whatever. Social Security encompasses an old age pension, and it isn’t available to those who didn’t pay into it, unlike welfare programs.
Well, I’m not receiving either one of those, and if you asked before I’d have told you. I get SSDI.
What do you mean by finite?
I have not said that. What I have actually said is that I am not receiving any form of welfare.
I don’t know about the rest, but I have always preferred animals to people. 
I just provided you one of the many links I could have provided explaining the difference between SS and pensions, and this is your response? You’re kind of awesome.
To be clear, you said you weren’t receiving government assistance, and when I pressed you on this, you said SS wasn’t assistance. Given the link you supposedly just read showing that SS isn’t a pension, and that you’re not getting back the money you put into it, are you still gonna defend that claim, or will you admit you receive assistance?
Yes, RSDI or your SSDI is available to those who paid into it. SSI is available to anyone deemed too disabled to work. None are a pension plan.
SSDI = Supplemental Disability Insurance. It’s essentially the same as RSDI.
Eventually what you paid in will run out. When you were awarded your benefits, it was calculated to last a certain amount of time. If you live past when they figured you would, RSDI/SSDI will end and you will receive SSI. In many cases, they will split your benefits - you’d receive partial SSDI, partial SSI - prior to just receiving flat SSI.
Correct. As a SSDI recipient, you currently are not a welfare recipient. However, it is a government program, subject to means and standards. Your SSDI can be stopped at the Agency’s discretion.
I feel the same.
So, you don’t understand how pensions work then, and you apparently also don’t understand what government assistance is either… Fine, I guess that makes you some kind of awesome.
No, it isn’t. RSDI is all of Social Security, SSDI is disability payments only.
No, SSDI isn’t a pension plan, but my SSDI is coming out of my Social Security, which was supposed to be a pension plan. I will not get my SS when I am old enough to be eligible, and I will not get the amount that I would have had I been able to wait to quit working until then.
Excuse me if I don’t believe you over what I was told at the time, since you don’t even seem to know what RSDI is.
Uh, yeah. What does that have to do with the fact that I don’t receive welfare?
No, LHoD is quite right: SSDI is a form of government assistance.
Yes, curlcoat is on government assistance. There’s no shame in that; the shame is in her “the only moral government assistance is my government assistance” attitude, where she imagines that other people paying taxes to provide her SSDI benefits is somehow fair but her paying taxes to help provide other people’s government benefits isn’t.
No part of Social Security is a pension. Rather, it’s a pooled social insurance benefits program (as even curlcoat’s own link makes clear). Many people call it a pension because they think it somehow sounds more dignified to be “receiving a pension” than to be “getting government benefits”, but that doesn’t make it so.
That mindset isn’t all that unusual. The word ‘welfare’ has become terribly loaded (due to efforts by the ruling classes* and the media they control) so that it’s only the poor (and by extension, the undeserving) people who receive ‘welfare’.
In fact, all modern economies make all sorts of provisions for all sorts of people. Whether it be tax breaks for certain classes of people, investment enticements, even tariffs so that primary producers can compete in the market…they’re all a way of re-distributing the ‘wealth’ and every single one of them are forms of welfare.
So, the lesson is that before pointing the finger at the ‘welfare’ families, perhaps look more closely at your own personal situation, and critically evaluate how much help you get! (The royal you by the way).
*Sorry for the Marxist jargon! 
This is the sort of thing I have a problem with. Welfare is charity; tax cuts etc are things those folks earned by being productive members of society. I personally don’t have a problem with welfare/charity per se, what I have a problem with is people equating Social Security with welfare. I suppose this is why people living on the dole can end up with the entitlement attitude, if they are being told that they are the same as seniors getting their monthly SS, even tho SS is earned money and welfare isn’t.
Why is anyone interacting with Curlcoat? Did we learn nothing from her prior insane comments on vaccines? My own grandmother was on SSDI because of really awful arthritis. At least she had the grace to be grateful for it.
Did you even read a word of my post?
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I don’t get all this “do you understand how pensions work?” stuff when the current recipients of pensions do actually depend on people of working age paying in. People of working age are those who were children when you started work, or they weren’t even born yet but were once children. Pensions do actually depend on other people having children.
Obviously pension funds invest their money too, but that investment income also depends on working-age people who were once children, etc. Some of the investments are in companies in other countries, but not all, because that would be dangerous - the companies would have even less information about the risks of their investments. And if there were no more kids being born, growing up and going out to work, the companies would have no new income to invest.
I don’t get why this is so hard. For one thing, you are combining two subjects and leaving out an important detail. The business with the pensions is that I am getting money back that I paid in. Therefore, not charity. If the government hadn’t stolen all of the Social Security money to pay for other things (wars I imagine), parents wouldn’t need to be claiming to sell their kids into slavery to pay to fund it. Which of course is a bizarre claim, since I doubt anyone has kids in order to make sure Social Security continues to be funded.
I have never said a thing about not having any more children born - this is something that people who lack the ability to reason in the face of any negativity about kids have made up. I do think too many - I guess unqualified is as good a word as any - people are having children, and I’m really tired of having to help them pay to raise them. I am also really tired of children with no manners and parents with entitlement attitudes.
That’s it. Will be interesting to see what version of that shows up next.
And if that’s how it worked, you’d be correct. That’s not how it works.
You’re correct here–that’s a totally bizarre claim. Nobody says they’re selling their kids into slavery to pay to fund social security–why would you make such a bizarre claim about parents, other than your nutball beliefs?
I never said that you don’t want any more children to be born. I’m saying that, if no more were born, your pension would stop paying out. Not immediately - they have back-up funds, and they have investments in companies that would still keep going for many years with the current adults - but they would stop paying eventually. Long before you expected.
They used your money to fund the pensioners who came before you. Your pension money will come from people working while you’re not.
(Note: this is not to say you don’t deserve your pension when you get it - obviously you do).
A lot of social security is like this - unemployment benefits, especially for people without dependants or disabilities, are far less and sometimes non-existent if you haven’t paid into the system yourself. People on that money are getting back money after paying it in just like people on pensions.
Without you helping to find the next generation of people paying into the pension fund, they’d be less likely to be healthy and educated enough to be able to pay into that pension fund.
I agree with you about there being too much spending on wars, but does that actually come out of social security money? I’m pretty sure it’s ring-fenced.
Uh huh.
Because it is one of the go-to excuses parents use when defending their selfish decision to have more children - “if there weren’t any kids, there wouldn’t be anyone to wipe your bum in the old age home” and nonsense like that.
So, the inference is that when people defend their decision to have children, it’s because if they don’t, no one will be around to support the pensions.
I don’t know about unemployment - I think I got it for two months when I was in my early twenties, and one month while waiting for disability to come in. Since I thought I read that unemployment benefits were extended? raised? I didn’t think it was dependent on having paid in.
That doesn’t seem to be working that well, so I’d rather than the government focus on babies not being born into situations where tax money is needed to raise them. And maybe some required parenting classes.
I don’t know what they spent it on, but apparentlyit’s not there any more.
No, no, I want the last word!
Because that’s exactly the same thing as
EXACTLY the same.
How funny to stumble upon a post featuring the psychotic ramblings of Cat Whisperer and Dread Pirate Jimbo, two people I knew IRL some years back. For anyone who might be wondering, yes, they’re both exactly as they present online: sanctimonious, smug, entitled, and completely self-congratulatory about many of their dubious life choices, not to mention just a wee bit neurotic. (Oh, and let’s not forget about DPJ’s passive-aggressiveness :))
They think the bad things that happen to them are always someone else’s fault, but that they deserve full credit for any good fortune that happens to befall them. (Good job hanging onto your house in a country with entirely different money-lending regulations than the US has, DPJ! I’m sure your brave actions were instrumental in saving Canada from certain economic meltdown.)
Thanks for the trip down memory lane, y’all. As you were.
From here, it looks more like the sanctimonious, smug, entitled, and completely self-congratulatory, wee bit neurotic and passive-aggressiveness is coming from a different source…
Yeah but mengvs doesn’t know *you *IRL.