Christians don’t really have all that much to be pissed off about, comparatively speaking.
When was the last time a Muslim invaded a country under false pretenses, getting hundreds of thousands killed and ruining the lives of countless others, then made torturing people national policy? Muslim terrorists can only wish they had the means to kill en masse the way American right-wing Christians can.
Cognitive Dissonance, number one threat to the Republic. How many times have I told you guys that, only to be laughed at. Now look, look into the sorrowful eyes of a victim of CD, witness the horror of a mind shattered by Cognitive Dissonance.
We of the Get A Clue Foundation are here for you, Ashen.
Oh, by the way, it is contagious, despite urban legends to the contrary, and all the media attention. But this board has been insanitized, for your protection.
Uh oh… do I smell romance in the air?
Or maybe it’s just burnt salmon croquettes…
Daaavy! Davy Croquette…King of the Wild Frontier!
Nilum wrote:
I am so tired of hearing that ridiculously ignorant phrase repeatedly endlessly by people who should know better. First, have you done a poll to prove that it’s just a small number of Muslims condoning this? How about we look at some actual polling of Muslims to see what percent of Muslims approve of what…
In Jordan, 51% of Muslims look favorably on the terrorist group Hezbollah, 56% look favorably on the terrorist group Hamas. In Lebanon those numbers are 35% and 30% respectively.
In Lebanon, 94% of Shia Muslims support the terror group Hezbollah.
In the so-called “Palestinian” territories, 44% approve of Hamas, and 61% approve of Hezbollah despite the war between Shiite and Sunni Muslims. In Egypt, 43% back Hezbollah, while 52% back Hamas. In Jordan, support for those groups runs at 51% and 56% respectively.
In the so-called “Palestinian” territories, 51% approve of Osama bin Laden, while 54% of Nigerian Muslims do.
89% of Indonesian Muslims, 88% of Nigerian Muslims, 69% of Turkish Muslims, and 54% of Lebanese Muslims believe that Islam should play a large role in politics (ie Shariah law or Islamic rule).
91% of Indonesians, 85% of Egyptians, 82% of Nigerians, 76% of Jordanians, 69% of Pakistanis, and 58% of Lebanese consider Islam a positive influence in politics, despite the fact that Islam endorses war and violence to achieve political dominance.
More than half of Muslims in Egypt agree that suicide bombings against innocent people are ok.
In America, 60% of Muslims under the age of 30 say their primary loyalty is to Islam as opposed to America (ie they are more loyal to the Religion of Violence than to the country they live in), and 15% of them believe that suicide bombing is justified in protecting their psychotic belief system. Among those Muslims above age 30 living in America, 41% are loyal to Islam first, and 6% of them condone suicide bombing.
Note that Muslims are mandated by the Koran to lie to “infidels” in order to appear peaceful and friendly, so all those numbers quoted above are much higher.
Note also how Muslims managed to take to the streets and party in mass events with tens if not hundreds of thousands of partiers in any one location when the greatest act of terror in modern times was committed (9/11). Where are all these Muslims taking to the street protesting when a terrorist act happens? They don’t. They riot when someone draws a stupid cartoon of their pedophile prophet and commit acts of arson, murder, and mass rampages. But when it come to terror, not a peep!
The bottom line is that most Muslims condone violence. More than half of them are usually honest enough to admit they do, and God knows how many have lied about condoning it due to their religious mandate to lie. So enough with this bullshit about how Islam is a peaceful religion being hijacked by a tiny minority of radicals. That’s demonstrably not true. Even if it were, the majority are damned by their refusal to eradicate the radical violent element in their psychotic “religion”.
Feel free to try proving me wrong. Try, for example, showing me all the hard work the mythical “moderate Muslim movement” is doing to erase terror from their belief system. Or perhaps show me that 50%+ of Christians or Buddhists agree that suicide bombing is a good thing, or that 60% or 70% of those religions endorse terror groups.
I won’t be holding my breath.
Nadir wrote:
Oh, so that’s the justification for Islamic terrorism? I see! I’m pretty pissed off too, got a lot to be pissed off about. Would you condone me walking into your place of business and blowing you up, or steering the airplane you and your family are flying on into a skyscraper to register my “pissed-off-ness”? Or would it be ok to go shoot up whatever church you attend, simply because I have a lot to be “pissed off” about?
Christians are being persecuted in any Islamic countries were Christians are even tolerated. Should they blow up Mosques?
How About Israel? They’re been the subject of an unprovoked attack by Muslim countries for over half a century now, and they endure countless acts of terror. Clearly they’re “pissed off”. I guess they should just go bomb hospitals and cafes and airplanes full of innocent people?
Your logic is appallingly stupid.
2003 called, it wants its spam mail back.
From someone who was a Christian.
The only reason I’m not is because I don’t believe in a god anymore.
It has taken 6 decades to get there.
I wish we could all get along.
I can get along with fundamentalist christians. I’ve been there as a result of parental influence. I, despite what might appear to be a slight against women, namely that women should remain silent in church and wear a head covering, have never been influenced to look at my mother as inferior to my father. It comes down to role playing. No big deal.
Yet, a large part of Islam is geared towards the subjugation of women. The simple idea that women are to be covered from head to foot and that a man’s transgression by virtue of rape is a trangression upon some other man rather than the woman herself is Islamic and not indicative of any other distinct culture.
Certainly there are many Muslims in America and Canada who have values that we would ascribe as “liberal”. But are they representative of their religion? Are their views accepatable to their grandparents back in their Muslim countries? Are they as amenable to “humanism” as many of the children of fundamentalist christians ?
Here in Canada, I have spent my youth in the arms of devout Christianity and yet assumed the comfort of secular justice which was a comfort to a vast majority of my fellow citizens. Any difficulty in divesting myself of my own christian beliefs was a result of my own unique hangups.
If and when I see a fundamental change in the children of immigrant Muslims to be way more secular like most of Americans/Canadians in the modern age, only then will I relax my concern of the influence of Islam in our day to day life.
The Tooth wrote:
Oh spare me the anti-American psychobabble!
Torture my ass! Want to know what one form of “torture” in Guantanamo was? Yelling in a prisoner’s face. Hell, our military goes through that every day in basic training. Are we “torturing” our soldiers? Sticking a finger in someone’s face and being aggressive is another action branded as an example of “terror” in the report I read. Another was putting a nice cushy C-collar on a prisoner, then grabbing him by the lapels and slamming him against a flexible, thin plywood wall. Oh no, let’s not get carried away now! Hell, after hearing that, I asked by chiropractor to switch to that method…it’s quicker and less painful than ordinary treatment! Is my chiropractor torturing me?
And btw, I’ve been slammed up against cinder block walls like that repeatedly in training, sans C-collar. I wasn’t hurt.
When was the last time a Muslim country invaded another country under false pretenses? You mean like in 1948 when Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria invaded and tried to destroy Israel simply because Israel came to exist? Or like in 1967 when Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Algeria (along with several others) teamed up to pick on Israel and tried to wipe it off the map only to have their collective asses handed to them by the Jews?
Or how about in 1968-1970 when Egypt invaded Israel in order to try regaining territory lost by Egypt when they invaded Israel earlier in 1967?
Or how about the Yom Kippur war in '73?
Did you want to talk about how Iraq invaded Kuwait for oil money?
How about how the so-called “Palestinians” were peacfully given Gaza and the West Bank, only to destroy everything there and turn those areas into staging areas for launching missiles into Israel proper? Dare I mention how there have been 4,600 such random rocket attacks launched against Israel by Muslims between 2001 and 2009 alone?
I am neither a Democrat or Republican, but I agree with Ann Coulter’s assessment…assassinate their leaders, invade their countries, and convert them to Christianity. Failing that, just nuke the monsters off the face of the earth and be done with it!
Oh, please do.
Which Christian tradition has rites for the baptism of corpses?
What about the Iraq-Iran war? It’s not the most recent example, but it’s undoubtedly the most egregious. Saddam Hussein didn’t even bother with a pretext for starting that little dust-up. He just saw an oil rich Iranian province and just decided to try and take it. Result? Millions dead in the longest conventional war of the 20th century.
Given the level of hatred between the Shia revolutionary gov’t of Iran and the secular Sunni gov’t of Iraq, and given the oppession of Iraq’s Shia population, they might have just as easily gone to war over a cheese sandwhich.
If that figure is for Muslims only (80-90% of pop.), we’d expect the overall figure for Hamas support to be something above 42%. But a poll of Egyptians in the past week showed only a 17% approval for Hamas.
See other thread and link here.
So I am skeptical of the other figures as well. Got a link so we can compare?
Elucidator wrote:
Convert them or isolate and destroy them. I don’t care which.
Spark240 wrote:
I’m going by the Pew Research, which has been relatively accurate over time. Again, note what I said about their mandate to lie. Just check the Pew Research site.
Evidence would suggest otherwise.
CMC fnord!
Gotta love it, Muslims are teh evil sooo . . . we should commit genocide!
“He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby becomes a monster. When you stare at the abyss, the abyss stares back at you”
Hitler is claimed to have a Catholic mother. Most Austrians are/were Catholic.
that’s all folks!!!