Good lord, the car is frozen! So while I wait for a ride I gotta deal with stuff like this:
El Kabong wrote:
You say that as if it’s a bad thing. It’s a good thing to be anti-Islamic. It’s the most evil ideology in the world, bar none. Again, it’s not the literal wording I take issue with, it’s the implication that being against Islam is bad or unreasonable.
First, I never implied that you said any such thing. I simply challenged you to provide me the name of an Islamic state where freedom, tolerance, and peace are the norm. It’s called making a point. There are no such countries. And yes, I meant “Islamic state” not “Islamic majority”. Maybe reading comprehension isn’t your strong point, but on the list I provided, I clearly differentiated between those countries which are Islamic states and those which merely have Islam as the official state religion. I excluded a bunch of states where Muslims are the majority. But hell, you can throw in any country with a Muslim majority. That certainly doesn’t change the equation. Islam = evil, no matter where it is or how widespread it is.
It’s the norm in most civilized countries. And it’s rare for a lack of such freedom in non-Islamic states. Most of Europe is generally free, tolerant and peaceful. Same for the Americas for the most part. The fact is that wherever we find Islam, we also find the most egregious abuses of freedom, tolerance, and peace. If my worldview - which acknowledges the reality that Islam is antithetical to peace, freedom and tolerance and that wherever we see Islam we see violence, slavery, murder, and oppression - is “idiotic” then try disproving it if you can. You make bold claims, but you have yet to offer a bit of proof to back your claim. Show me how believing that Islam is evil and a threat to world peace and freedom is “idiotic”. The only thing “idiotic” about Islam is how people pretend it’s a benign, peaceful belief system.
I have made no claims of any kind, except that you are a lunatic, and this is something that you provide evidence for with every post you make. In any event, I already said I have no interest in convincing you of anything. Why, you might have asked if you were not such a lunatic? Because there is no point in arguing with a lunatic.
If you took some of the hot air you’ve expended here and applied it to your car, you probably wouldn’t be frozen out of it right now.
Since you’re clearly an expert on the Middle East, I assumed you’d heard of the PFLP(Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) which was founded by a Christian, George Habash, and had huge numbers of Christians as leaders and key members such as Ghassan Khanafini and Leila Khaled.
They hijacked a bunch of airliners and were responsible for numerous attacks against Synagogues, airports, schools, restaurants and other civilian targets. They were behind the infamous Lod airport massacre where members of the Japanese Red Army opened fire in the Israeli airport murdering a number of passengers.
Here’s a sparse and fairly incomplete list which can give you an idea of the kind of attacks they committed.
Additionally, they were responsible for the Ma’alot Massacre in which they kidnapped a bunch of schoolchildren, held them hostage and then murdered most of them.
Frankly, Palestinian Muslims have engaged in “terrorism” for the same reason Palestinian Christians do, it’s just that Palestinian Muslims far, far outnumber Palestinian Christians.
Obviously just as Christianity was an outgrowth of Judaism, Islam is an outgrowth of Judaism and Christianity. Also, the idea that “Allah” was the name of a “pagan moon god” has been debunked long before and makes no sense.
I’m surprised you mention Robert Spencer, because I thought he’d rejected it. If he hadn’t, well more proof that he’s not really a scholar.
In actuality, “Allah” isn’t the name of God, it simply is a combination of two Arabic words “Al” meaning “the” and “Lah” meaning “God”. In short it simply means “The God” or “The one true God”.
In fact, I’m a bit surprised you don’t realize that Arab Christians regularly make references to “Allah”.
I’m sorry, but if Spencer actually claimed that Muhammad was an “insane narcissist” and that “the Koran was written by an insane narcissist” then my view of Spencer will plunge even lower.
Leaving aside the question of whether we have enough information on Muhammad to make such an assertion that he was an insane narcissist, he didn’t write the Quran.
The Quran was put together a few years after he’d died(there’s debate on how many) and was put together by his followers piecing together various recording people had made of his statements. That’s why the Quran is so confusing to read since it’s not written in linear, chronological order.
Incidentally, I’m surprised you label him a pedophile while trumpeting Robert Spencer. Spencer has specifically insisted that Muhammad was not a pedophile where Muhammad was concerned and that the claims that Aisha was nine are almost certainly false.
If I didn’t no any better I’d think you hadn’t actually read Spencer but are merely trying to pretend you have.
Anyway, you clearly are interested in the subject, but you’ve been given horrible information.
I’ll be happy to help you learn more if you want. Just ask.
You claim I’m a lunatic, then fail to refute my claims. It’s not my fault you’re a big pussy and afraid to debate the facts, instead staying safely out of the game while jeering from the idiot box.
Then stop talking to me. All you seem interested in doing is calling me a lunatic, but you’re not man enough to enter the fray. Looks like I might as well just put you on the ignore list since you have nothing of substance to contribute.
So get back to me when you have something worth saying.
Yeah, yeah, we know all about the PFLP. Which part of “Muslims commit 95% of all terrorism while the other 5% is committed by all other belief systems” did you not understand? Or are Palestinian Christians not part of any belief system and thus exist outside of both the 5% of non-Muslim terrorist groups as well as the 95% which are Muslim?
Again, like the other moron who brought up the Tamil Tigers…that is not in dispute. I have already stated that 5% of terrorism is committed by non-Muslims, of which both the PFLP and LTTE belong. Duh! Try a reading comprehension course!
So how about you explain for us why ONE “religion” alone accounts for 95% of all terrorism while the other 4,000 + religions on earth combined (including Satanism) account for just 5% of all terrorism? Or is that just too inconvenient a truth for you?
False. As usual. The PFLP is indeed as anti-Semitic and violent as its Muslim brothers are. However, PFLP was a nationalistic Arabic movement wishing to exert a pan-Arabic rule in Arabic lands and separate the Arabic lands from the West (and western influence). In contrast, Muslim terrorists wish to turn the entire world into an all-inclusive caliphate under Islam. Those are two very different goals.
It is totally dishonest to claim that Islam was an outgrowth of Judaism and Christianity. It was not. Mohammed pasted together a crazy quilt of beliefs derived from Arabic folklore and tradition, pagan Arabic beliefs and rituals, and bits of Judaism and Christianity. It is not an outgrowth, it is a perversion.
Also, Allah was the moon god. In pre-Islamic Arabic times, “al-ailah” referred to the moon god, not as a specific name but rather translated as “the god” (as you stated correctly). It was a generic term for Hubul, the moon god. But the name Allah comes from pre-Islamic Arabs. Moon god worship took place long before Mohammed came along. Here’s some references for you:
Note also that many of the traditions of Islam were stolen directly from pagan Arabic rituals that long predated the formation of Islam. Here’s a list of many of them:
He didn’t use those exact words. I’m a lot less inclined to sugar coat it. He doesn’t call him insane. He calls him a con man. I called him insane. We agree about the narcissism. He calls the Koran (and I quote):
“The self aggrandizing product of a megalomaniac posing as a prophet.”
Here’s Spencer in his own words about various Islamic issues:
Actually, Spencer is working on a new book that claims Mohammed may not have even existed. I can’t comment on that until I see it.
However, you are being completely dishonest about what Spencer said concerning Mohammed being a pedophile. Here is a quote by him on the matter:
He admits that Mohammed is a pedophile by today’s standards, and essentially says that pedophilia was accepted in Islam, hence you cannot call Mohammed a pedophile in that context, since it is considered a norm in their bizarre, abberant culture.
Here’s a page straight from Spencer’s book “The Truth About Mohammed”:
Note that he agrees that Aisha was 9 years old when Mohammed raped her.
You’re a liar and a propagandist, Ibn Warraq, and now you’ve been exposed as such. Stop trying to twist Spencer’s words to mean the opposite of what he actually said.
On the contrary, you’re the one who’s mis-attributed (hell, let’s call it what it is - you lied!) about Spencer and what he’s said. I’ve read his books and listened to many of his interviews.
Don’t give me your pro-Islam bullshit, you terrorist lover. Islam is evil, that has been proven beyond any doubt to anyone with both the balls and brains to give it an honest look. Funny how people like you bend over backwards to defend Islam when reality clearly destroys your silly and ridiculous claims.
Sure, have at it. Show me why Islam contributes 95% of all terrorism. Explain to me how the “religion of peace” is behind that much terrorism. Show me how Islam makes society better, when every Islamic state is a hellhole of intolerance, lack of freedom, slavery, and violence. Explain to me why Islam creates more death and destruction than any other religion including Satanism, which worships the devil himself. Can’t wait to destroy your stupid propaganda. Show me a tolerant, free, peaceful Islamic society. Get busy!
If that’s a serious attempt at rebuttal, you’re so mentally retarded that you’re not worth talking to. I mean, seriously, do you realize how utterly stupid your reply paints you? :smack:
Another wise-ass who’s too stupid and dishonest to engage in the actual discussion and instead posts simply to launch personal attacks. Go home little boy, until you’re smart enough to play with the big boys and debate facts instead of pretending you have half a wit. If you have nothing to contribute, then stop spamming the board with your idiocy and let the rest of us who have a working brain debate the actual issues.
And to make you look twice as pathetic as you already made yourself look, I don’t even like Beck since he’s ignorant when it comes to the Obama birth issue.
So when people insult you, it is because they are too scared to answer your points, and not worthy of your time, but when you insult people without addressing their points, it is because they are stupid and not worthy of your time?
Where do you see any attempt to rebut any of your lunacy?
You asked a question and I answered it. It’s the Straight Dope. We like to have questions answered correctly. (Making up shit about the origins of Islam or quoting lies from other people who make up shit about Islam is not in keeping with the Straight Dope, but I realize that you really don’t have much else that you can do to promote your agenda of fear and hatred.)
That’s a dishonest simplification of the matter. People insult me :rolleyes: because they disagree with me but generally cannot rebut me. They simply label me a “lunatic” or some such dismissive, without even trying to respond to my clear, well formed posts brimming with facts and references. I get my facts straight, and when challenged I present evidence, unlike the numerous people who fail to step up to the plate.
I dismissed Tomndebb because his reply is beyond idiotic. It’s a matter of public record that when Joseph Stack sailed a plane into the IRS building was not doing it in the name of Christianity, or for Christ, or for any reason that links him to Christianity. He was protesting the government general and the IRS in particular.
Now, if Tomndebb was knowledgeable enough to post the exact date of the event, then he was also knowledgeable enough to know that it was not a religiously oriented attack. I find it hard to believe that he knew the date and that the man was a Christian and yet did not know the truth about it. Even a cursory reading of any report on the event makes it clear it was not a religious act.
So either Tomndebb is a complete idiot who believes that simply being a Christian means that any crime committed by a Christian is by default an act of religious terror, or he is just being a stupid smart-ass by calling it an example of “Christian terrorism” when he knows damn well it is anything but that. Either way, it makes him too much of an idiot to waste time on.
Besides, anyone who has to append his girlfriend’s name to his own screen name isn’t man enough to join in the Pit.
Oh brother. It’s gonna be a long night! :rolleyes:
Look, 'tard. I challenged people to show acts of terrorism committed by other religions. Obviously we were speaking in the context of terrorism committed by someone in the name of their religion. It was embedded in the discussion about terrorism in the name of Islam. I didn’t think I had to spell it out to you in excruciating detail, ie “Name anyone who committed an act of terror in the name of their religion, as oppose to committing an act of terror for non-religious reasons while adhering to any particular belief system”.
You know as well as I do what the question was. Instead, you posted a smarmy answer, and no doubt got a tingle down your leg over how clever you believed yourself to be. :rolleyes: Instead, you’ve proven yourself to be either an idiot or a smarmy punk, your choice which.
And since we’re on the topic, the act cannot even be considered an act of terrorism by strict definition of the term, and the FBI called it a criminal act of an assault on a federal officer and not an act of terrorism. He was clearly emotionally disturbed.
As for “making up shit about Islam”, until you step up to the plate and refute my facts and sources and prove that I am “making up stuff about Islam”, you’re just another troll. You insult, but you cannot address facts. Nothing I have stated about Islam is false or made up and I can back everything I say with facts and sources. You, of course, cannot. And so you are dismissed.
