More Muslim Marvelousnous

[Champion-of-Truth]

Nilum wrote:

That is exactly the attitude of Muslim extremists.You and the Muslim extremists are two sides of the same coin. You both want your religion spread throughout the world and you both want genocide.

I see you have a severe comprehension problem. :smack:

My attitude is the exact opposite of the Muslims (calling them Muslim extremists is redundant). Muslims want to convert the whole world by force to Islam. It is their religious mandate to do so. They target peaceful people…the Americans, the Israelis, the Norwegians, etc…and for no reason other than their crazy religious mandate of fanaticism want to convert the entire world to their religion instead of letting these other cultures and religions live in peace as they prefer.

I, on the other hand, have no religious mandate to convert anyone to any religion whatsoever. I also have no desire to convert anyone by force to any religion, my own or anyone else’s. I would just as soon let everyone else live in peace.

And if you listen to what I’m saying, my first preference is to deport and isolate the Muslims in their own countries. Islam is antithetical to freedom and to all we hold dear in America. It is antithetical to every right spelled out in our Constitution. It is antithetical to American culture, American tradition, and American values. It is an evil cancer eating away at the vital organs of the West. I have no problem with Muslims having their own countries and engaging in their insane, violent psychosis as long as that engagement is amongst themselves and not against my culture, my country, my world. If the violence of Islam were contained in Islamic countries and consisted of things I care nothing about, say the war between Iran and Iraq from back in the 80’s, or the ongoing war between Sunni and Shiite, I’d have no problem with it and would take a stance of isolationism and stay strictly hands-off. Let the little monsters rape and kill and blow themselves up. Fine with me.

My problem comes in when they try exporting their mass psychosis of hate to the West. I do not want Muslims raising mosques in my country while preaching violence against my country. Read the book “Muslim Mafia” and see for yourself what they’re up to. That is stepping over the line.

So my first desire is to simply deport them should they choose not to abandon their ideology of hate. Send them back where they belong. America is a country of freedom and tolerance based on Christian values. Period. Islam has no place here. If Muslims leave and go back to their countries of origin to spread their psychosis, that’s fine with me. Let them live in peace (or violence, as the case is with them) in their own lands.

Clearly, I am not calling for genocide as they are. I am first calling for them to get the hell out from where they do not belong and take their cancerous, psychotic death cult with them.

Next step, I want to isolate them. When you have wild animals running loose in a city, you corral them and put them in a cage or set them free in the wilderness. You do not let tigers and lions prowl the streets of New York City. Same concept here. Confine them in their own lands in order to protect civilization from the tribal barbarians.

Should they refuse to be isolated and continue to assault all human decency and freedom, assault innocent people, and work towards enslaving the world, then the final step is to eradicate them like the pests they are.

You do not see Islam saying “Well, you guys practice what you want in your own country, just leave us to live in peace. And if not, well, we’ll deport and isolate you. And if you keep attacking us, we’ll kill you”. No, the Muslims say “Submit to Islam or die”.

The director of CAIR (Council on American ISlamic Relations, a proven terrorist front group - read the Muslim Mafia) has openly and publicly said that they exist not to make Islam an equal religion in America, but to make it the ONLY religion in America and to have it as the supreme law over our Constitution.

I don’t, however, wish that you bomb each other because I care about innocent life, and I don’t want innocent people caught in the crossfire. You apparently have no qualms about it.

I have no qualms about protecting my country from an invading cancer by any means, including genocide if need be. Had I been president when 9/11 happened, Mecca, Medina, Tehran, Riyadh and Damascus would have been vaporized the same day. Period.

What my detractors always fail to hear is that I am totally fine with allowing Muslims to live, as long as their ideology is kept out of my country and their violence towards my people stops. Should they one day convert their death cult into an actual religion that preaches peace and should they abandon terrorism, I would welcome them in a heartbeat. They can be some of the most generous, gracious people on earth, when they’re not trying to slit your throat or blow you up.

I once “infiltrated” one of their communities in the midwest, and they treated my like a king. Kindest treatment I’ve ever gotten. Hell, they treated me better than my family did! And then they tried recruiting me into their insanity and wanted to sneak me into Israel and the Gaza strip to teach military stuff to their fellow “freedom fighters” (in reality, terrorists). Some of them attended some military/martial arts classes I was giving, which is what got them wanting to recruit me. Each and every one of them was psychotic and filled with hate beyond reason. I recall vividly the unparalleled hatred they espoused while trying to “educate” me on the issues. I met literally hundreds of them, and not one of them was sane. It was mind boggling.

Remember that you are calling a group monsters for killing one of their own, but I somehow doubt you have any sympathy for the little girl they killed considering you lump her into that same monstrous group.

Wrong again. Yes, Muslims are monsters. And yes, I feel badly for their children. It’s the worst form of child abuse to teach children blind hatred. And that is something unique to Islam. They excel at it. Go watch their blood libel tv shows. Here, go watch this and try refuting it:

Obsession - The Clarion Project

By converting Muslims to Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism, we would be converting a violent, psychotic death cult into a true religion of peace and therefore we would be saving countless lives, especially the lives of children. So yes, they give us no choice. It’s either let them destroy us, or deport and isolate them, or (the next step) invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them all to peaceful religions. As a last resort, nuclear genocide. I’d prefer converting them to killing them in a genocidal assault. But hey, whatever we gotta do to survive. This is an existential war Islam has declared on us. Victory is all that matters, at any cost.

How are you any different from the evil people who condone what happened to that little girl. Don’t tell me you actually care that this single Muslim child died when you apparently have no problem nuking the whole lot of them.

Oh but I do. It’s reprehensible that they would do that to a little girl. It goes on all the time in Islam. Islamic countries are rife with forced rape of children and pedophilia. Which is why my preference is to invade their countries, assassinate their leaders, and convert them to a non-violent religion.

Look, we can’t simply sit back and wait for them to convert the world into an Islamic slave state. That’s just common sense, and anyone who thinks that’s acceptable deserves to be shot on the spot. Let those people go live in an Islamic state and see how much fun it is!

So what are our options? Most people would rightfully be averse to nuclear genocide. And to me that’s a solution of last resort. So that leaves 1) deporting and isolating them, which in itself will be hard to do and would involve plenty of violence and death and 2) invading their countries, killing their leaders and converting them to a peaceful religion.

Do you have some option I’ve failed to see?

I pity you.

Pity yourself if you’re the type of person who would allow himself and his loved ones to be converted to dhimmis or murdered by a psychotic death cult because he lacked the balls to do what’s right.

Bottom line, Islam has caused this problem. If they were not intent on forcing the whole world to submit to their psychotic death cult by force, we would not have to use force against them.

So there you go. I

[Champion-of-Truth]

Elucidator wrote:

Those aren’t facts, those are interpretations of the meaning of facts.

For instance, the charge of baby fucking. It is a fact that there are passages of the Koran that could be interpreted to imply that. On the other hand, marriage as a ceremony to establish kinship rather than as a means to procreate is not at all uncommon. Royal families in Europe did it all the time as a treaty obligation, no one expects a couple of pre-pubescent kids to do the nasty.

As well, there is a long established tradition of the “celibate marriage”, going to the wine cellar for a glass of water. Your interpetation is that marriage means he fucked her. But it doesn’t necessarily. Your refusal to accept that possibility is telling. Your insistance on citing “experts” who agree with you can only mean either they also refuse to accept it as possible, or they do accept that possibility and you are willfully misinterpreting them.

Either way, you can’t possibly know that for a fact. Unless you were there. You weren’t there, right?

Most scholars interpret it to mean that he “fucked her”…um…let me correct myself…RAPED HER, when she was 9 years old. Pedophilia is rampant in Islam, and they do it because they believe the Koran says it’s ok. That’s a FACT, not an interpretation of fact. And it doesn’t matter whether Muslims are misinterpreting that. They consider it to endorse pedophilia, so they engage in it.End of story.

As for the rest of you post about being there and your IRA reference, it’s not worth time to respond to your silly bullshit. I’ll respond to anything you post that addresses the facts as I did above.

[Champion-of-Truth]

Lobohan tries and fails!

So does Judaism, so does Christianity. The problem isn’t Islam, the problem is living in a third-world shithole. For instance, Christians hang gays and kill witches today in third-world shitholes.

First, Christianity does not preach violence. At least not anymore. You do not see Catholics or Christians preaching genocide and advocating nuclear destruction of a race. Violent verses in the Old Testament are abrogated by peaceful verses in the New Testament. In Islam, the reverse happens (the later and more numerous violent verses abrogate the few peaceful earlier ones). Those Christians living in Third World shit-holes are mainly tribal people who mix Christianity with their own tribal nonsense. Whether they do engage in such acts is irrelevant since Christianity does not preach that. Islam does.

Finally, you bring up the tired old canard about terrorism being caused by poverty and it’s been disproven for ages now. Many if not most terrorists (the leaders especially) come from wealthy families. Bin Laden was filthy rich, as was his family. Zawahiri was a wealthy doctor. Yasser Arafat is believed to have had $300 MILLION to $1.3 BILLION US dollars stashed away. Give up the poverty angle. It’s a proven fallacy.

Dear God, even if I were to cede to you that poverty is the cause of Islamic violence, which I am DEFINITELY NOT DOING, I could easily counter that by showing how the terrorist leaders, almost every single one, are wealthy, well-off people and not living in poverty. I could show you how they manipulate others to do their evil bidding. I could show you how the insanely rich Islamic world keeps the so-called Palestinians, who fled Israel when a host of Islamic countries told them to leave so they could destroy Israel, as squatters and uses them to advance it’s agenda and bullshit pity on them. I could show you how two ridiculously rich Islamic nations (Iran and Saudi Arabia) control virtually all the violence and hate rhetoric coming out of the Islamic world. But we don’t need to go there since the canard about poverty does not hold up. Read this and weep, moron:

http://spectator.org/archives/2010/01/07/poverty-does-not-cause-terrori

All religions are fake.

Care to explain that insane statement? You’re saying all religions are false because you’re an atheist or something? Perhaps I should explain in more detail what I said. Islam is a fake religion. If you look at Christianity, or Buddhism, you have a set of beliefs handed down by followers of a spiritual, peaceful person. The religion was created by followers, who were trying to emulate the holy qualities of those examples (Jesus, Buddha, etc). Jesus did not “create” Christianity. Buddha did not “create” Buddhism. They lived a certain life and espoused a certain lifestyle and others gravitated to that and emulated them. The religions that sprang up from them were natural outgrowths of belief.

With Islam, their prophet (Mohammed) declared himself the chosen one, he tinkered together the teachings of Islam from various sources, and set himself up as a demagogue. He did this in order to unite the tribal savages he wanted to rule. And he tailored his “religion” in a maniacal, narcissistic manner to ensure he ruled and to ensure that the savages got what they wanted, ie the right to rape, murder and pillage and conquer others by force…typical tribal mentality.

And you can’t hold ancient peoples to modern sensibilities when it comes to whom they fuck. Pre-Islamic Bedouins married young girls too. So calling Mohammed a pedophile or rapist isn’t a sensible thing, since he was a product of his environment. Much like you probably like Nascar and WWE, you toothless yokel.

I love how idiots make such erroneous assumptions about me. :rolleyes:Cracks me up! I hate both Nascar and WWE. Don’t try to figure me out or pigeon-hole me, son. You’re not intelligent enough to do that!

As for the rape issue, the entire civilized world opposes pedohilia and no sane country has an age of consent of 9! Sane countries wait until after puberty to allow sex, as nature intended. Only in Islam and some other tribal regions do we see the rape of children condoned and tolerated. I don’t care what they did in Arabia 600 years ago. Right now, I want the pedophiles out of this country, I don’t want them bringing their perverted belief systems to my country.

By any civilized standard, Mohammed was a pedophile.

Can you show that you have controlled for poverty and 3rd world shitholeiness?

Covered that earlier. I would add that there are plenty of poverty stricken non-Muslim countries and areas that do not produce terrorism.

So what? Judaism stole the flood and angels. This is a particularly stupid comment on your side.

Can you prove this? Just acting like you. :rolleyes:

You clearly do not see the difference between Islam and other religions because you want to remain blind to the truth.

When a mental deficient like you struts around and brings little mayhem it hardly seems worth bothering to refute. But I had a minute, so I thought I’d throw you a fucking bone.

Oh jeez Nancy, stop it with all that testosterone! Next thing you’ll know, you’ll start sprouting peach fuzz on your upper lip! :eek:

Done and done.

No moron, you have FAILED. Let’s do this nice and slow so you can keep up, ok Nancy?

I challenged you to refute the fact that Islam endorses and promotes violence. You did not refute me. You AGREED with me. And then you tried the moral equivalency argument between Islam and Christianity. And you FAILED. Then you tried the old “it’s all because of poverty” canard and I schooled you on that. You were WRONG once again, and on top of that you failed to cite a single source or proof of that claim in the first place. You claimed all religions are fake, and failed to back that up. FAILED AGAIN! All you’ve accomplished is to prove that you have a big mouth and an attitude problem with no brains to back either.

[Champion-of-Truth]

Here’s an article dealing with the “poverty causes terrorism” canard espoused by Loboham:

http://spectator.org/archives/2010/01/07/poverty-does-not-cause-terrori/1

The canard that poverty causes terrorism just won’t die. It was one thing when Nation writer David Corn and others connected the two back in 2002. The liberal default position is that poverty causes crime. It was an instant knee-jerk reaction after 9/11. But by now we all ought to know better. Except, the theory is still being peddled despite the lack of evidence to support it.

 On Monday the *Times* of London, citing analysts,   reported: "'Orchard of fighters' grows out of poverty and   mistrust in Yemen."

 Last week, President Obama said of the Christmas bomber, "We know   that he traveled to Yemen, a country grappling with crushing   poverty and deadly insurgencies." 

 Yemen's crushing poverty? Abdul Mutallab isn't even Yemeni; he is   Nigerian, and an affluent one, at that. Apparently, the president   is suggesting that poor, unsuspecting Abdul Mutallab wound up in   Yemen and was radicalized by Muslims there who were themselves   radicalized by Yemen's "crushing poverty." Why mention it if that   is not the general theory he is putting forth? 

 Yet there is a little problem with that theory. According to the   World Bank, Zimbabwe is 11 times poorer than Yemen. Yet no   Zimbabwean national has been caught trying to blow up U.S.   airliners. There's a simple reason for that. Less than 1 percent   of the population of Zimbabwe is Muslim. 

 Despite Zimbabwe's crushing poverty, al Qaeda has almost no one   to radicalize and recruit there. In Yemen, an almost entirely   Muslim nation, al Qaeda's pickings are easier. 

 The terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 and continue to do so   today are not the radical poor. They're radical Muslims. 

 Consider this list of known al-Qaeda terrorists, and find what   links all of them: 

 • Kahlid Sheikh Mohammed was a mechanical engineer 
 • Mohammed Atta grew up in a middle class household; his father   was an attorney. 
 • Ramzi Binalshibh was a bank clerk. 
 • Mohammed Atef was an Egyptian police officer. 
 • Marwan al-Shehhi was a soldier studying in Germany on an Army   scholarship. 
 • Ziad Jarrah came from a wealthy Lebanese family and attended   private, Christian schools. 
 • Abdulaziz Alomari graduated with honors from his Saudi high   school and went on to graduate from college.
             • Wail M. Alshehri was a Saudi P.E. teacher and university   student. 
 • Waleed M. Alshehri, also a student, was Wail's brother. Their   father was a prominent Saudi tribal leader. 
 • Zacarias Moussaoui, the "20th hijacker," had an MA in   international business studies. 
 • Major Malik Nadal Hasan, the Fort Hood shooter, was a   psychiatrist. 
 • Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, the underwear bomber, was the son   of a bank chairman. 
 • Hammam Khalil Abu Mulal al-Balawi, who killed eight CIA agents   in Afghanistan last month, was a physician. 

 A few of the "muscle hijackers" on 9/11 might have qualified as   poor. Richard Reid, too, although his father was a career   criminal, so poverty can hardly take all the blame in his case.   But most of the 9/11 hijackers and other al Qaeda terrorists who   have tried to attack the United States cannot be classified as   poor. 

 When looking for one factor that unites all al Qaeda operatives,   it is clearly not poverty. Al Qaeda's terrorists cannot be   connected based on their family or personal income. The one   commonality they all share is an adherence to radical Islam. (The   emergence of female suicide bombers in Iraq eliminates the other   commonality, that prior to that all were male.) 

 The absence of a causal link between poverty and terrorism goes   well beyond al Qaeda, too. In 2004, Harvard professor Alberto   Abadie published a paper for the National Bureau of Economic   Research called "Poverty, Political Freedom, and the Root Causes   of Terrorism." He decided to include domestic as well as   international terrorism to make his study as broad as possible.   He concluded that "the risk of terrorism is not significantly   higher for poorer countries." However, "a country's level of   political freedom better explains the presence of terrorism." 

 If the left advocated overturning despotic regimes as a strategy   for eliminating one of the "root causes of terrorism," it would   have a much better argument. There is a clear link between   political freedom and terrorism. But President Bush made a   similar case, so the left won't touch that argument. Boxed in by   political correctness and with nowhere left to go, the left   defaults to its old scapegoat, poverty. Alas, there isn't a shred   of truth to the claim that poverty is a root cause of terrorism

[Champion-of-Truth]

So, do any of you Islamic apologist, in-denial dhimmi brainiacs want to even attempt to rise to the challenge of showing me any Islamic state that is tolerant, free, and peaceful? Surely one of you geniuses is willing to step forward and be schooled! Come on! You have a nice handful of states to choose from. So many of you are so vociferous in defending Islam, surely one of you can prove to me that Islam deserves the insanely false title of “the religion of peace”. Show me where Islam promotes peace, freedom, and tolerance. Surely that’s not too much to ask from a well trained dhimmi!

[Ibn_Warraq]

@Champion-of-Truth

Yeah, yeah, we know all about the PFLP. Which part of “Muslims commit 95% of all terrorism while the other 5% is committed by all other belief systems” did you not understand? Or are Palestinian Christians not part of any belief system and thus exist outside of both the 5% of non-Muslim terrorist groups as well as the 95% which are Muslim?!

Why are you feeling so angry and so hostile?

I was responding to you rather foolishly implying that Christian terrorists had never hijacked airplanes or took schoolchildren hostage by pointing to instances of Christian terrorists doing exactly that.

So how about you explain for us why ONE “religion” alone accounts for 95% of all terrorism while the other 4,000 + religions on earth combined (including Satanism) account for just 5% of all terrorism? Or is that just too inconvenient a truth for you?

Because Muslims don’t account for 95% of all the world’s terrorists.

No serious person would make such a claim. Anyone who does is either a bigot or incredibly ignorant.

In contrast, Muslim terrorists wish to turn the entire world into an all-inclusive caliphate under Islam. Those are two very different goals.

What Muslim terrorist groups want to bring back the “caliphate”. I’ve never heard of any Muslim radicals making such a demand, not even Osama Bin Laden.

Can you please link me to some who’ve made that specific claim.

Also, Allah was the moon god. In pre-Islamic Arabic times, “al-ailah” referred to the moon god, not as a specific name but rather translated as “the god” (as you stated correctly). It was a generic term for Hubul, the moon god. But the name Allah comes from pre-Islamic Arabs. Moon god worship took place long before Mohammed came along. Here’s some references for you:

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god.htm

Note also that many of the traditions of Islam were stolen directly from pagan Arabic rituals that long predated the formation of Islam. Here’s a list of many of them:

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-poly...on-worship.htm

Neither of those are reliable sources. Are they written by scholars who can read and write in Quranic Arabic?

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In fact, I’m a bit surprised you don’t realize that Arab Christians regularly make references to “Allah”.
Who said I didn’t?

Well, you haven’t exactly come across as all that knowledgeable on the subject, though perhaps I’m wrong.

How good is your Arabic?

He didn’t use those exact words. I

Translation, you misrepresented what he said. Also, you’ve yet to explain how Muhammad wrote the Quran since it wasn’t put together till years after he died.

How exactly did Muhammad manage to do that? How did he write a book that wasn’t put together till after he died?

However, you are being completely dishonest about what Spencer said concerning Mohammed being a pedophile… He admits that Mohammed is a pedophile by today’s standards

(emphasis mine)

Umm… no, he didn’t “admit” anything, he made an assertion. Also, he was careful to say that Muhammad was only a pedophile by modern standard and he freely admits that humans got married at a much younger age back then. For example, Juliet was just 12 or 13 in Romeo and Juliet but nobody claims that Shakespeare condoned pedophilia.

You’ll notice on a page you don’t quote from he specifically says Muhammad wasn’t remotely defensive about their marriage and that it wasn’t unusual for the time.

Also, what he fails to note is there’s a tremendous amount of evidence to suggest she was several years older than claimed when she was married.

Yes, some Hadiths claim she was nine when the marriage was consummated, but the Hadiths are extremely contradictory and this situation was no different. Others claim that she was born before Muhammad heard “the Call” which would have meant she would have had to been at least 12 or 13 and others list here as riding with caravans and participating in battles two years after being married which she wouldn’t have been allowed in if she’d only been 11.

In all probability, she was more likely to have been in her early teens like Juliet and Mary, the mother of Jesus.

You’re a liar and a propagandist, Ibn Warraq, and now you’ve been exposed as such. Stop trying to twist Spencer’s words to mean the opposite of what he actually said.

I am not and haven’t been.

Also, I’m hardly a fan of Spencer. He’s a joke. He pretends to be a scholar, but has never had any formal study of Islam, nor any demonstrated expertise in it. In fact, he’s never even demonstrated, or to the best of my knowledge claimed to have any knowledge of Arabic.

Nor for that matter, does he do any original research of his own, instead relying on the work of others.

Actually, Spencer is working on a new book that claims Mohammed may not have even existed.

Sounds like he’s about to start cribbing from Wansbrough.

One question, how can Muhammad have been a pedophile if he’d never existed?

There seems to be a contradiction. Either he’s a pedophile or he doesn’t exist but he can’t do both. So what does he believe.

Show me a tolerant, free, peaceful Islamic society.

Off the top of my head, Bosnia comes to mind.

I don’t even like Beck since he’s ignorant when it comes to the Obama birth issue.

What do you mean by this? Are you saying that you think Obama was born in Kenya?

I see. So Robert Spencer, Joseph Farah, Brigitte Gabriel, Daniel Pipes, and the Religionofpeace website are all liars who are “making up shit” about Islam?

Among those you’ve mentioned, Daniel Pipes is the only one who could reasonably be called a scholar. Does he claim that “Allah” was a reference to the Moon God?

Could you give us a cite where he says this?

I don’t even like Beck since he’s ignorant when it comes to the Obama birth issue.

What do you mean by this? Are you saying that you think Obama was born in Kenya?

Anyway, I don’t know why you have such anger towards Muslims. What happened that made you so angry? Did a girl you cared about turn you down for a Muslim man?

Whatever happened, Muhammad said that when people come at you with hate you should respond with love, so I’m happy to help you out if you would like to actually learn about what Islam and Muslims are like. And don’t worry, as you should have guessed from my username I’m hardly an apologist for Islam’s most radical elements.

[Ibn_Warraq]

@Champion-of-Truth

So, do any of you Islamic apologist, in-denial dhimmi brainiacs want to even attempt to rise to the challenge of showing me any Islamic state that is tolerant, free, and peaceful? Surely one of you geniuses is willing to step forward and be schooled! Come on! You have a nice handful of states to choose from. So many of you are so vociferous in defending Islam, surely one of you can prove to me that Islam deserves the insanely false title of “the religion of peace”. Show me where Islam promotes peace, freedom, and tolerance. Surely that’s not too much to ask from a well trained dhimmi!

Well, I already mentioned Bosnia. Also, what make you call me a Dhimmi?

Do you know what that word means?

[nilum]

@Champion-of-Truth

I see you have a severe comprehension problem. :smack:

No. I understood perfectly.

My attitude is the exact opposite of the Muslims (calling them Muslim extremists is redundant). Muslims want to convert the whole world by force to Islam.

I, on the other hand, have no religious mandate to convert anyone to any religion whatsoever. I also have no desire to convert anyone by force to any religion, my own or anyone else’s.

So my first desire is to simply deport them should they choose not to abandon their ideology of hate. Send them back where they belong. America is a country of freedom and tolerance based on Christian values. Period.

… no it was a country founded on the principles of freedom from the religious intolerance the settlers experienced in Europe. Many of our founding fathers were pagan, agnostic, and atheist. We were trying to get away from people like you.

I have no qualms about protecting my country from an invading cancer by any means, including genocide if need be. Had I been president when 9/11 happened, Mecca, Medina, Tehran, Riyadh and Damascus would have been vaporized the same day. Period.

Clearly, I am not calling for genocide as they are.

Clearly.

Let the little monsters rape and kill and blow themselves up. Fine with me.

Yes, Muslims are monsters. And yes, I feel badly for their children

That sounds truly sincere…

I once “infiltrated” one of their communities in the midwest, and they treated my like a king. Kindest treatment I’ve ever gotten. Hell, they treated me better than my family did! And then they tried recruiting me into their insanity and wanted to sneak me into Israel and the Gaza strip to teach military stuff to their fellow “freedom fighters” (in reality, terrorists). Some of them attended some military/martial arts classes I was giving, which is what got them wanting to recruit me. Each and every one of them was psychotic and filled with hate beyond reason. I recall vividly the unparalleled hatred they espoused while trying to “educate” me on the issues. I met literally hundreds of them, and not one of them was sane. It was mind boggling.

I’m sure everything you said just now isn’t completely honest and verifiable.

So what are our options?
Do you have some option I’ve failed to see?

It’s called education and tolerance. An educated man is more likely to reject extremism; however, even well educated men have a breaking point when they and their people are constantly treated like terrorists. We can’t demonize an entire people and then be surprised that they have negative feelings towards us.

It is through technology and an open dialog between people of different cultures that we will truly understand each other. Spewing vitriol at an entire group isn’t going to resolve these complex social issues.

Look, we can’t simply sit back and wait for them to convert the world into an Islamic slave state.

Pity yourself if you’re the type of person who would allow himself and his loved ones to be converted to dhimmis or murdered by a psychotic death cult because he lacked the balls to do what’s right.

And what did you ever do? How many terrorists have you brought down besides the imaginary ones in your delusions. It’s also a well established fact that atheists/agnosticism are the fastest growing belief system in the world.

Bottom line, Islam has caused this problem.

Bottom line, irrational hatred caused this problem.

[terryobrien80]

@magellan01

Ah, what do you do when a 40-year-old uncle rapes his 14-year-old niece? If you guessed, “the next day she gets whipped until she dies”, then you might have a feel for Islam.

Here you go. Unbelievable. What barbarians. No, what monsters.

Yet, their might be a bright side. The court actually thinks something might be wrong here and are looking into it. We’ll see.

You might like this article: http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2009/0901fea3.asp

[Gyrate]

Ah, what do you do when this sort of thinghappens:

Mary Sudnad, 10, grimaces as her hair is pulled into corn rows by Agnes, 11, but the scalp just above her forehead is bald and blistered. Mary tells her story fast, in staccato, staring fixedly at the ground.

‘My youngest brother died. The pastor told my mother it was because I was a witch. Three men came to my house. I didn’t know these men. My mother left the house. Left these men. They beat me.’ She pushes her fists under her chin to show how her father lay, stretched out on his stomach on the floor of their hut, watching. After the beating there was a trip to the church for ‘a deliverance’.

A day later there was a walk in the bush with her mother. They picked poisonous ‘asiri’ berries that were made into a draught and forced down Mary’s throat. If that didn’t kill her, her mother warned her, then it would be a barbed-wire hanging. Finally her mother threw boiling water and caustic soda over her head and body, and her father dumped his screaming daughter in a field. Drifting in and out of consciousness, she stayed near the house for a long time before finally slinking off into the bush.Mary was seven. She says she still doesn’t feel safe. She says: ‘My mother doesn’t love me.’ And, finally, a tear streaks down her beautiful face.

Gerry was picked out by a ‘prophetess’ at a prayer night and named as a witch. His mother cursed him, his father siphoned petrol from his motorbike tank and spat it over his eight-year-old face. Gerry’s facial blistering is as visible as the trauma in his dull eyes. He asks every adult he sees if they will take him home to his parents: ‘It’s not them, it’s the prophetess, I am scared of her.’

Nwaeka is about 16. She sits by herself in the mud, her eyes rolling, scratching at her stick-thin arms. The other children are surprisingly patient with her. The wound on her head where a nail was driven in looks to be healing well. Nine- year-old Etido had nails, too, five of them across the crown of his downy head. Its hard to tell what damage has been done. Udo, now 12, was beaten and abandoned by his mother. He nearly lost his arm after villagers, finding him foraging for food by the roadside, saw him as a witch and hacked at him with machetes.

Magrose is seven. Her mother dug a pit in the wood and tried to bury her alive. Michael was found by a farmer clearing a ditch, starving and unable to stand on legs that had been flogged raw.

Ekemini Abia has the look of someone in a deep state of shock. Both ankles are circled with gruesome wounds and she moves at a painful hobble. Named as a witch, her father and elders from the church tied her to a tree, the rope cutting her to the bone, and left the 13-year-old there alone for more than a week.

There are sibling groups such as Prince, four, and Rita, nine. Rita told her mum she had dreamt of a lovely party where there was lots to eat and to drink. The belief is that a witch flies away to the coven at night while the body sleeps, so Rita’s sweet dream was proof enough: she was a witch and because she had shared food with her sibling - the way witchcraft is spread - both were abandoned. Victoria, cheeky and funny, aged four, and her seven-year-old sister Helen, a serene little girl. Left by their parents in the shell of an old shack, the girls didn’t dare move from where they had been abandoned and ate leaves and grass.

The youngest here is a baby. The older girls take it in turn to sling her on their skinny hips and Ikpe-Itauma has named her Amelia, after his grandmother. He estimates around **5,000 children **have been abandoned in this area since 1998 and says many bodies have turned up in the rivers or in the forest. Many more are never found. ‘The more children the pastor declares witches, the more famous he gets and the more money he can make,’ he says. ‘The parents are asked for so much money that they will pay in instalments or perhaps sell their property. This is not what churches should be doing.’

Unbelievable. What barbarians. No, what monsters these Christians are.

[Champion-of-Truth]

Ibn Warrad wrote:

Why are you feeling so angry and so hostile?

I think any sane person would be angry about and hostile towards a death cult trying to subvert his culture. It’s not exactly something that makes your day, you know?

I was responding to you rather foolishly implying that Christian terrorists had never hijacked airplanes or took schoolchildren hostage by pointing to instances of Christian terrorists doing exactly that.

I never said they’ve never committed acts of terror. Again, try reading my posts. I’m pointing out how rarely, if ever, other religions commit terror. About 95% of all terror comes from Islam. The other 5% comes from all other religions combined. Can you not see that is a red flag that there’s a huge problem with Islam? So yes, your example fits into the 5% I’ve already addressed. Now try addressing why such a disproportionate amount is committed by Islam alone.

Because Muslims don’t account for 95% of all the world’s terrorists. No serious person would make such a claim. Anyone who does is either a bigot or incredibly ignorant.

That’s a number I’ve heard from various researchers. We’ll never agree on an exact number because people will argue about the definition of terrorism (are honor killings “terrorism”?, is only international terrorism actually terrorism, etc). The exact number, or even a pretty accurate number, may be impossible to determine. But let’s look at the facts and I’ll point out some issues. Here’s a decent resource:

Projects and Partnerships

Now, according to that list, 22 out of 34 are Islamic terror groups, or 65%. However, we must look at the details. Many or most of the ones listed as non-Islamic terror groups are either defunct, have very small memberships (one claims just 20 members), are non-active, or are merely separatist groups fighting government forces in their own country only. Hamas alone has more supporters listed than almost all the non-Islamic groups combined! And many of the Islamic terror networks list the member count as unknown, although we know most of them run into the thousands and tens of thousands. So a careful reading of those stats and some common sense and we can see that the vast majority (perhaps 90-95%) are indeed Islamic.

We also have to look at the number of terrorist acts committed by each group. Islamic terrorists alone have committed committed almost 16,799 deadly attacks in the past 10 years. That’s 1,680 per year, or 4.5 deadly attacks every day, of every year, since 9/11. And we also have to keep in mind that the number 16,799 is a very low estimate, due to the carefulness used to report the attacks. Go to this website to see how they determine the number and you’ll understand how the true number is undoubtedly far higher:

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth

I’ll quote an email someone sent me:

No other religion produces the killing sprees that Islam does nearly every day of the year. Neither do they have verses in their holy texts that arguably support it. Nor do they have large groups across the globe dedicated to the mass murder of people who worship a different god, as the broader community of believers struggles with ambivalence and a radical clergy that supports the terror.

What Muslim terrorist groups want to bring back the “caliphate”. I’ve never heard of any Muslim radicals making such a demand, not even Osama Bin Laden.

Then you haven’t been listening. When al-Qaeda and bin Laden put up an internet newscast after 9/11, they called it the “Voice of the Caliphate”. The Muslim Brotherhood has goals for a worldwide caliphate, as does Hizb-ut-Tahrir (Party of Liberation), an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. Zawahiri wrote in a letter to Taliban leader Mohammed Omar that terror attacks would “be nothing more than disturbing acts, regardless of their magnitude”, unless they led to a caliphate in the “heart of the Islamic world”. He later wrote to Abu Zarqawi, the Jordanian terrorist who led al Qaeda in Iraq and told him that he should use Iraq’s Sunni areas as the base for “an Islamic authority or emirate, then develop and support it until it achieves the level of a caliphate”.

Islam moves in steps. It’s not out to form a caliphate from nothing. It’s a step-by-step process, but the eye is always on the goal…an Islamic caliphate. Just listen to their cleric spew their crap. They say it all the time!

Can you please link me to some who’ve made that specific claim.

Here’s a source for what I just wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/13/AR2006011301816_pf.html

Neither of those are reliable sources. Are they written by scholars who can read and write in Quranic Arabic?

Of course not! The old Muslim evasion that you must only read the Koran in Arabic! Always dismissive of any source that disagrees with Islam or shows the vile truth about it. Typical of Muslims and their apologists. I suppose the Washington Post is just a biased rag, is what you’re gonna tell me next, right? :rolleyes:

How good is your Arabic?

Sorry, but the old canard about having to speak or read Arabic to understand Islam is false. There are papers, translations, and versions of the Koran written by eminent Islamic scholars that are considered very accurate, and they point out the violence inherent in Islam. But of course, you’ll deny that as well.

Translation, you misrepresented what he said.

Wrong again. I explained what I said as opposed to what he said. I quoted him verbatim. I merely said we generally agree on issues. Once again, you strike out.

Also, you’ve yet to explain how Muhammad wrote the Quran since it wasn’t put together till years after he died.

It was compiled after he died. But all the nonsense that went into it came from him. Did Mohammed not claim that the Koran was dictated to him by the angel Gabriel over the course of (I believe it was) 23 years? It was memorized as he dictated it to his followers (because they were stupid illiterates who could not write), then written down verbatim shortly after he died, by Muslims who learned how to write from foreign prisoners of war (non-Muslims or course!). So yes, he “wrote” the Koran, so to speak, since every utterance written therein came from his mouth.

Umm… no, he didn’t “admit” anything, he made an assertion. Also, he was careful to say that Muhammad was only a pedophile by modern standard and he freely admits that humans got married at a much younger age back then. For example, Juliet was just 12 or 13 in Romeo and Juliet but nobody claims that Shakespeare condoned pedophilia.

That’s not pedophilia because Romeo and Juliet were both children, you moron! Mohammed was around 50 years old when he raped his pre-pubescent 9 year old “bride”. And stop trying to twist Spencer’s words. He said by today’s standards, yes, Mohammed was a pedophile. And (now keep in mind this is ME talking, not SPENCER), in today’s world, in every civilized culture on earth, a 50 year old man having sex with a 9 year old is pedohilic rape. It’s sickening how you muslims and muslim apologists always try to justify it by saying “well that was normal back then!”. Yeah, and gassing Jews was “normal behavior” in Nazi Germany. Are you gonna excuse that as well?

Yes, some Hadiths claim she was nine when the marriage was consummated, but the Hadiths are extremely contradictory and this situation was no different. Others claim that she was born before Muhammad heard “the Call” which would have meant she would have had to been at least 12 or 13 and others list here as riding with caravans and participating in battles two years after being married which she wouldn’t have been allowed in if she’d only been 11.

Most Islamic scholars, the most respected ones, claim she was 9. For sake of argument, let’s say she was 11. Considering that the average age of menarche (the START of puberty) in girls today is about 12 years of age, and considering that age has declined in recent decades, we can safely assume that Aisha did not enter puberty until her early teens. So she was still pre-pubescent even by that standard. Once again, you lose.

In all probability, she was more likely to have been in her early teens like Juliet and Mary, the mother of Jesus.

Not according to most Islamic scholars.

Also, I’m hardly a fan of Spencer. He’s a joke. He pretends to be a scholar, but has never had any formal study of Islam, nor any demonstrated expertise in it. In fact, he’s never even demonstrated, or to the best of my knowledge claimed to have any knowledge of Arabic.

Oh dear God, get off the “you gotta read it in Arabic” nonsense.

One question, how can Muhammad have been a pedophile if he’d never existed?

There seems to be a contradiction. Either he’s a pedophile or he doesn’t exist but he can’t do both. So what does he believe.

Well gee, maybe if you freaking PAID ATTENTION to what I wrote, you wouldn’t be asking this question. I said that until he releases his book on the matter, I don’t know what he’s saying about whether Mohammed actually existed. If he did, he’s a pedophile and a mass murdered. And a rapist. If not, well, who knows how Islam came into being?

Off the top of my head, Bosnia comes to mind.

Hmmm…let’s see. Are you talking about the Bosnia that had a WAR a while back, with Bosnian Muslims committing acts of terrorism? Are we talking about the Bosnia where even today prisoners are subjected to homosexual rape, where Christians are attacked for being Christian, and where forced conversion to Islam occurs? Is this the Bosnia where 6 Muslim terrorists bombed a police station in Bugojno in 2010? Is this the same Bosnia where the official Bosnian Muslim religious body called Rijaset of the Islamic Community was caught donating roughly 100,000 Euros to terrorists in Gaza? Is the Bosnian Muslim Jihad group located in Bosnia, or are they elsewhere and just like the sound of the name “Bosnia”? :smack:

Moron. :rolleyes:

What do you mean by this? Are you saying that you think Obama was born in Kenya?

No. Nobody knows for sure where he was born because he refuses to release a true long form birth certificate. He has spent almost $2 MILLION to suppress court challenges to force him to reveal it. He has sealed up all his adoption papers, passport history, school records, everything! There now a court case addressing the fact that he is currently using a Social Security number originally given to a man born in 1890, despite the fact that the Social Security Administration does not re-issue numbers. It is also a number issued in the state of Connecticut, to which Obama has no affiliation or link. This was uncovered by a man who used to work as an investigator for the Dept. of Homeland Security. So who knows? Where there is smoke there is fire. Was he born in Kenya? Who knows? Some of his relatives claim he was. Most of his self-written history is riddled with lies and twisting of facts. He’s hiding all his past paperwork from various sources. I can’t say he was born in Kenya, but after reading thousands of pages on the matter, I can conclusively say he is not natural born and therefore is ineligible to hold the office of president.

Among those you’ve mentioned, Daniel Pipes is the only one who could reasonably be called a scholar. Does he claim that “Allah” was a reference to the Moon God?

Could you give us a cite where he says this?

I can’t remember what he said about the moon god, if anything. He does agree with me to a large degree about Islam being violent. Go here and listen to some of what he says:

Obsession - The Clarion Project

What do you mean by this? Are you saying that you think Obama was born in Kenya?

No, what I am saying is that Beck is an idiot for dismissing those who point out all the contradictions and lies coming from Obama, along with the utter lack of proof that he is natural born, as crazy “birthers”. The evidence overwhelmingly points to the fact that Obama has some very dark secrets he is doing his best to hide, and all the evidence points to him being ineligible to serve as president.

Anyway, I don’t know why you have such anger towards Muslims. What happened that made you so angry? Did a girl you cared about turn you down for a Muslim man?

Good lord, where do you come up with this idiocy? :rolleyes:

I’m angry towards Islam because it is a psychotic death cult, because it’s members are trying to subvert my country and destroy it from within, because Islam commits acts of deadly terror every day, in virtually every country on earth. I’m angry at Islam because its goal (in fact its religious mandate) is to destroy freedom and force the entire world to submit as slaves to a pagan moon god. Yeah, plenty of reasons to hate Islam!

Whatever happened, Muhammad said that when people come at you with hate you should respond with love, so I’m happy to help you out if you would like to actually learn about what Islam and Muslims are like. And don’t worry, as you should have guessed from my username I’m hardly an apologist for Islam’s most radical elements.

Like I’m stupid enough to fall for your subversive taqiyya bullshit. Yeah, sure. When hell freezes over.

[Capitaine_Zombie]

What is it with bigots that all their posts have to be a mile long.
Talk about narcissism.
Besides if you really find the company repulsive, why do you keep on trolling here. If you were really here to "make us see the light "that shines out of your anus, you would have switched to a more amenable stance.
People that get kicks out of playing martyr need some attention.
Medical attention, that is.

[Champion-of-Truth]

Ibn Warraq said:

Well, I already mentioned Bosnia. Also, what make you call me a Dhimmi?

Do you know what that word means?

We already covered your absurd example of Bosnia.

Yes, I know what a dhimmi is.

no it was a country founded on the principles of freedom from the religious intolerance the settlers experienced in Europe. Many of our founding fathers were pagan, agnostic, and atheist. We were trying to get away from people like you.

Anyone making that insane claim hasn’t studied history or the writings of the Founding Fathers, most of whom were Christian and all of whom believed in an Almighty God as a benevolent creator of the universe, not a monstrous violent “god” like Allah. The Founding Fathers almost to a man believed in the Christian idea of God and that America was his blessing.

Here are some quotes from various founders of America, about God (ie the Christian idea of God):

“Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.”
-William Penn

“If religious books are not widely circulated among the masses in this country, I do not know what is going to become of us as a nation. If truth be not diffused, error will be; If God and His Word are not known and received, the devil and his works will gain the ascendancy, If the evangelical volume does not reach every hamlet, the pages of a corrupt and licentious literature will; If the power of the Gospel is not felt throughout the length and breadth of the land, anarchy and misrule, degradation and misery, corruption and darkness will reign without mitigation or end.”
-Daniel Webster

“In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed…No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.”
-Noah Webster

“If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instruction and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity.”
-Daniel Webster

“The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His apostles, which enjoins humility, piety, and benevolence; which acknowledges in every person a brother, or a sister, and a citizen with equal rights. This is genuine Christianity, and to this we owe our free Constitutions of Government.”
-Noah Webster

“He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of this country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man…The sum of all is, if we would most truly enjoy this gift of Heaven, let us become a virtuous people.”
-Samuel Adams

“Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.”
-Charles Carroll, signer of the Declaration of Independence

“I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth–that God Governs the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?”
-Benjamin Franklin

“How many observe Christ’s birthday! How few his precepts!
O! 'tis easier to keep holidays than commandments.”
-Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard’s Almanack, 1757

“It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.”
-Patrick Henry

“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.”
-Thomas Jefferson

Just a small sampling.

I’m sure everything you said just now isn’t completely honest and verifiable.

I don’t care whether you believe it or not.

It’s called education and tolerance. An educated man is more likely to reject extremism; however, even well educated men have a breaking point when they and their people are constantly treated like terrorists. We can’t demonize an entire people and then be surprised that they have negative feelings towards us.

Yeah, education works really well on fanatics who go apeshit and riot every time someone criticizes their insane death cult. Yeah, there’s a great approach!

And to turn your argument around, even well educated Americans have a breaking point when they and their people are constantly treated as terrorists. Muslims cannot demonize an entire people (and they demonize EVERYONE who is not Muslim) and be surprised that the rest of us have negative feelings towards them.

Oh jeez, sucks for you when the shoe is on the other foot, huh? :rolleyes:

It is through technology and an open dialog between people of different cultures that we will truly understand each other. Spewing vitriol at an entire group isn’t going to resolve these complex social issues.

And as soon as Muslims stop spewing their religious vitriol and open up to the idea that their religion has problems, we can discuss it. But not until then. Notice how easily what you say applies to Islam?

And what did you ever do? How many terrorists have you brought down besides the imaginary ones in your delusions. It’s also a well established fact that atheists/agnosticism are the fastest growing belief system in the world.

Who ever said I “brought down terrorists”? And if I was involved in that line of work, do you really think I’d be giving you details about it? :rolleyes:

And I’m not sure about the growing number of atheists but Christianity is the fastest growing religion, despite claims to the contrary by Muslims:

http://fastestgrowingreligion.com/numbers.html

Bottom line, irrational hatred caused this problem.

Yes, irrational hatred spewing forth from the death cult known as Islam, where Jews are said to descend from pigs and monkeys and where the world is split into two groups…the House of Islam and the House of War. Maybe you haven’t been listening to the Muslim clerics and how often they preach war. Maybe you haven’t seen the tens of thousand, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Muslims cramming the streets celebrating the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Maybe you haven’t seen Muslims rioting, murdering, raping and arsoning over a stupid cartoon, while they themselves print blasphemous cartoons and television depictions of Jews and Christians and the Jewish/Christian God. Nah, we’re all just imagining that! Surely the “religion of peace” would never say such inciteful things! :rolleyes:

[MegaBee]

Holy shit. Champion-of-Truth both referenced Obsession and outed himself as a Birther. Amazing.

[El_Kabong]

I can’t wait to hear what he has to say about the moon landings.

[villa]

@Champion-of-Truth

And as I’ve said, I’ve seen your type. Your type always hurls insults and claims that people are crazy, or liars, or uninformed, but never back those claims by jumping into the ring and proving it.

Calling me “vermin” does nothing other than prove you’re an obnoxious prick who can’t even back his claims. You simply imply that I’m wrong, as you did here:

The obvious unspoken claim being that I am unfair and unbalanced and not speaking the truth.

It’s ok to hide behind cowardice and throw insults at those people you’re afraid of engaging. Just don’t think that cranks up your testosterone score any. :rolleyes:

Why is it that you equate message board behavior to manliness? Is there a tad of overcompensation going on here?

Once again, I don’t have any interest in “debating” what you say. There are groups of people in this world who aren’t worthy of debate. You fit pretty squarely into at least one of those groups.

That you think I was saying you are “unfair and unbalanced” shows your utter inability to comprehend. I was saying that those with a screen name such as yours are likely compensating for the fact they aren’t telling the truth. And no, I don’t need to go through point by point from your drivel to show that. It’s a general comment, not a specific one, and, once again, I have no interest whatsoever in debating with someone who will under no circumstance admit they are wrong on anything.

[The_Tooth]

@Cort

What about the Iraq-Iran war? It’s not the most recent example, but it’s undoubtedly the most egregious. Saddam Hussein didn’t even bother with a pretext for starting that little dust-up.

No? Then it doesn’t qualify as ‘false pretenses’, like the war started by that fine white Christian lad of yours (he used to cut the grass, he was a very nice boy) did in 2003.

Besides, I was just making a point about how the US is little better and practices destruction on a much wider scale than them scary Muslim folk. And tortures. The last time a Muslim etc. etc. wasn’t actually important.

[VinylTurnip]

@MegaBee

Holy shit. Champion-of-Truth both referenced Obsession and outed himself as a Birther. Amazing.

Wish he’d done the latter first, so we’d have known to ignore everything he said after that.

[villa]

@VinylTurnip

Wish he’d done the latter first, so we’d have known to ignore everything he said after that.

You needed extra clues for that?

[Tom_Scud]

@villa

You needed extra clues for that?

He pretty much had me at the user name.

ETA though I’m now slightly tempted to change mine to Champignon of Truth