I read seven pages of thread, three Wikis, and the peanut gallery, and I still have no idea what the hell is going on. Until I got bored at work this afternoon, I had never heard of this game. This is my new favorite thing ever.
Run whilst you still can!
It gets addictive.
TexCat, remember, no spoilers here, so we probably shouldn’t share our clues.
And Daphne said that she couldn’t rule out the possibility of someone else interacting with Johnny Bravo, so apparently she tracked me, rather than watching Johnny.
sachertorte, yes, there probably would be several dead already at the time that the Detective claims. If you prefer, think of my simulations as living in a game where we started off with an appropriately-larger number of players. And you’re also right that I’m ignoring the effects of discussion, because that depends on the relative skill level of Town and Scum: A sufficiently-skilled Scum team can, in principle, make discussion completely irrelevant, by playing exactly as they would if they were Town. Against an insufficiently-skilled Town team, a sufficiently-skilled Scum team can even make discussion hurt town, by manipulating the discussion in ways that are too subtle for Town to notice.
Yeah, I meant my clue as posted in thread.
Today’s sachertorte confusions:
Mahaloth: I don’t understand how he could have a list of 5 scum and actually think it could be true. That simply doesn’t make sense. Add in the fact that there are two dead scum and neither seem to be on his list, then I’m left completely baffled. He could not possibly think that there are 7 scum and that the two off his list just happen to be the ones that are dead.
I don’t see how scum would make this play. But its completely illogical all around.
“Night Kills”: I think it is fairly obvious that all scum kills have been performed by either Chronos or TexCat so far. Any evidence of X didn’t do anything on day Z is relatively meaningless.
ATPG: The less said the better, but so much of what he says bothers me. I feel that he knows what he says is BS. Why isn’t anyone calling him out on it? The whole TexCat v Pizza does not clear Pizza. What Pizza says doesn’t make sense at all. He supposes that if he were scum that scum would kill him off in favor of Texcat. WTF? One could just as easily argue that had ATPG been Town, then he should be dead by lynch. It’s the same damn thing!
Speculation: People seem to be assuming that all godfather types are dead. I’m not sure if that is the case at all. Once you break into more than one godfather, it isn’t a huge leap to believe there could be more than two. I also wonder if all scum are backup-godfathers, but only one gets to be the backup godfather. That is, they all have the potential to be godfather once the ‘power’ is transferred (n.b., Clue stating GF can lose GF status), but only one can receive it.
Well, it has a little meaning, at least, in that Town knowing it is a little better off than Town not knowing it, so it makes sense for Daphne to say so. I’m really not sure why she’s being so coy about her powers, though (I think there’s still one Day where she hasn’t revealed what she’s learned).
Well, that at least clarifies the Mahaloth situation.
It seems rather troublesome the way Mahaloth is going about using his clue.
While it is possible that Inner Sticker revealed his true scum name, Town are far more likely to be forthcoming and truthful. The odds are Mahaloth will misuse his clue. And now that scum know about his clue and have no idea if it is true or not, they are less likely to name claim truthfully. At the very least, they must know that any “safe-looking” name claims are more likely to be on Mahaloth’s list. (I’m assuming that no names on the list are blatantly scummy looking. Otherwise going after IS is just plain bizarre).
I doubt Mahaloth is scum since his course of action is erratic and overtly “suspicious.”
She probably saw some doing something that indicates that that someone is a potential power role.
I think Daphne said ATPG did nothing on night two. So that is a bit odd as we have no nights and i am sure story in his information giving would not be saying last night x did y, but yesterday x did y, so the translation of that to a night action seams odd, not out of this world , just little odd.
i think daphne said the folowing
On day two said day one chronos had been seen near the dead body resulting in a day two lynch of chronos
On day three she said nothing other than was waiting to reveal something, as far as i can tell she did not. texcat lynched day three.
On day four ( today or have I missed a day?) she said she wanted to know who brian donner was. ATPG claimed that name and she said on Night two brian donner did nothing
So she waited until today to reveal what she knew yesterday that happened the day before.
If I were a lot more paranoid i would say she is scum who bussed the GF knowing the role could be swapped to another , but then i think we know sherlock is the only role that cant be scum, and an unyet counter claimed sherlock? Unlikely or scum have the most hugest brass balls , or the real sherlock is an absent player. No doubt everything is just a lot simpler than the scenarios we can make up.
Do we know if scum have fake roles and fake names provided by Story, of just fake roles with their real names. Chronos if that isn’t known don’t answer. i should probably look back and see what chronos and tespxcat claimed.
There was a clue posted that said that Scum have detailed false claims, and that sort of thing is quite common in Storyteller’s games. More than that I will not say.
And a clue like “One of these five people is Scum” is frankly nearly useless. That would mean that shooting into that list would give you roughly the same chance of success as just choosing someone completely at random. Which is even assuming that the clue is true.
Because of “the less said the better,” right? It seems like that really sums up the bind that this sort of play style puts the town in. If you do something weird enough, you push past the regular barrier of “hey, that doesn’t sound reasonable… that’s suspicious!”. If you’re a regular old townsperson and somebody plays that baffle 'em with bullshit card, you either contribute to it by going down the rabbit hole, thereby making the day about them, or you let the waters get muddied without punishing it, thereby making the whole game about them. I follow the games but don’t play because consistently the people I’d kill first would be the ones playing “personality” mafia. I think it’s the right move, but I also think in any given game there’s no guarantee those dudes are the scum, so you have to justify making a vote that by your own acknowledgment isn’t even more likely than a random vote to find scum.
I guess it’s a really good scum technique because of that effect; your first, I dunno, twenty to twenty-five totally irrational moves are free. For that reason alone it should be a hangin’ offense.
Yep, let him swing, not sure if ATPG is scum, but he isn’t helping town with the “personality” mafia style ( that’s a good way to sum it up) and Darths case on him is about the most solid case out there.
Quote ATPG “I said this would be the last day I would be discussed as a suspect. You’ve failed to move on.”
Not enough confused faces for that comment , does he actually think he can state what other will discuss?
Astral seams to be being nice to everyone, but has a lot of votes spread out. Not sure what it is , just seams to be very confident in throwing the votes around and only scum can be confident in their votes. Meh, I just always think Astral is scum for no rational reason.
**There are quite a few nonparticipants as we near the end of Day Four. I am not sure what to do. I feel like replacing 3+ participants this late in the game would be a terrible confusion, but modkilling all of them practically borks the game.
Suggestions? Interested and willing volunteers to sub in?**
I say do nothing. Let it play out and see how the players deal with it…
…unless these non-participators have approached you about being subbed out? In that case, I would try to relieve them. But if they are just AWOL, I say so be it (at this point).
This is why I give unambiguous rules for nonparticipation at the start of the game, and then stick with them.
Unfortunately it always seems that the way the players deal with it is by continuing to lynch the loud. ;O
I’m on Astral’s side of the IdleThoughts/TexCat Clue fiasco.
Idle Thoughts outright accused TexCat of dropping a word from the clue because that missing word would be beneficial to Town. In other words, scum didn’t want to share it. Now he says that the missing word would be helpful to scum and that he doesn’t want to risk sharing it in case TexCat really didn’t have that word.
So which is it? Helpful to Town or helpful to Scum?
Bwwwhahaha!
So Pizza has no one to blame but himself for getting lynched. If Darth turns out to be scum he even hurt the town by doing it. Very selfish and cowardly thing to do.