Need help.

Oh man… As far as her daughter is concerned, I’m NOT saying that I have any right to impose myself in her life… And what do you mean by, “don’t touch her”?? I mean… I feel bad I have to clarify this. I might be nuts… But it’s MY problem.

I would NEVER date this woman again, or become friends with her.

If I ran into her or her daughter I would probably walk away so they couldn’t see my eyes well up. I don’t believe I have imposed my ideas on how things should be for them. I hope we never run into each other. I’d be embarrassed.

But yes, I agree with what you’re saying.

Wow. Interesting share.

Thanks, man

BTW. I met the guy. We were very friendly when we met. She would say bad things about him and I asked her to stop because it was none of my business, and I’m not objective. We were ok as friends for a while…

Also… my three shrinks; one of them sucked. Kept wondering what the “scoop” was. The other two just basically told me to stop… Which I’ve tried, and successfully so to some degree. One said I should date… But I don’t agree with her… Yet.

Not including still having still thinking about my ex, I’m not ready to date for other reasons. I wish I could… I’m very lonely.

I’m talking about giving your hug and nothing more. As I said, you’re nothing to her.

You won’t become friends with her, yet you’re still agitated that she won’t message you and would well up if you saw them? Okay.

God no.

Honestly… I’m very mad too. And I didn’t ask for her to message me back.

She reassured me all the time we would always be cool. That’s why I was upset at her, because she lied about that.

That’s why I wrote the second note, because I wanted to tell her that I felt that way. The rest is closed I’m never going to contact her again

Don’t get me wrong. I appreciate your assessment. I just need to clarify these things. I looked like a fool because of this and I wanted her to be aware that it effected me.

Yes, that’s what I meant in #6. But I’d really put some thought into it if I were you. What ARE your basic expectations for friendship/romance? How did she fail to meet those standards? The goal isn’t to get yourself even angrier at her; it’s to be more dispassionate so you can let her go. If you’ve ever been a boss, you know that sometimes you have to fire people not because they’re bad people but because they just can’t meet the company standard for the position. That’s what you’re aiming for.

Also, keep looking for a good fit in a shrink. I have a friend who keeps getting into relationships with jerks. Her self-worth is entirely dependent on having a guy think she’s pretty and lovable, and she’s so needy and eager to please that she ends up attracting guys who use her. Like you, she’s had three therapists, none of whom have helped her. I’m not sure whether that’s because there are some sub-par therapists out there (which there are) or whether my friend really doesn’t want to hear what they have to say. I finally talked her into consulting therapist #4.

Whoa, I just now re read one of your last posts, and it hit me: you think she LIED about you two always being cool? Dude. She thought at the time you’d always be cool. Or she was trying to let you down easy. Or she thought that at some level, you’d always think well of each other. Why can’t you let her off the hook on this?

And one more question: why don’t you have more friends? Your loneliness isn’t helping you deal with this situation. If you had other friends, this one relationship wouldn’t loom so large.

What???

I’m going to have to reply in the morning. I guess you’re right about her “lying”. She meant it when she said it.

Anyway… It’s not something you say lightly in my opinion.

Never assume that something you wouldn’t say lightly has special meaning. The other person may it have your same values.

People intend to do lots of things and promising to always be friends or always loving each other simply isn’t something you can hold a person to. Shit happens and people move on.

That doesn’t make what the person said a lie. That would only be if they fully knew they couldn’t fulfill that promise but went again and made it.

At any rate, things won’t go back to how you wanted them, so finding a way to let it go is the only sane option.

Alright.

Life is messed up. I think I’m getting better with this whole situation. It’s still tragic to me. People come and go I guess. Nothing is permanent.

I wonder where I would be without her, and later her daughter, in my life. But too much of that type of thinking is pointless. It is what it is. I think, in my own way, I’ve insured that I wouldn’t be hurt like that again for all of these years. Maybe one day I’ll be ready to get back on that saddle. I just have to know that when I fall, I fall hard. So perhaps I should work on mitigating that before anything.

I hate just hate reality so much. It doesn’t stop.

One more thing. Therapists aren’t there to give you advice. You can get advice anywhere. This board has given you the best, fairly obvious advice: Forget about this break up and move on. It was a bog-standard breakup in what was an unhealthy relationship in the first place.

A therapist is there to help you find out why this is so hard for you to do.

It’s very hard to accept that nothing is permanent, but the sooner you truly understand and accept that, the better. People die. People change. People say things like, “I’ll never, ever leave you” and truly mean it, but they die. When I was a kid, I loved my parents so much, I vowed I’d never, ever leave them. Then I grew up. They did their job right, so I was able to leave them.

And the point of going to therapy is to learn and grow so that you can fall hard for someone but not fall so hard when they leave.

It’s not reality you have a problem with; it’s the gulf between reality and the world you’ve constructed to feel safe.