Just tell me: if I Google it, how much federal money will I find out that MTG and her immediate family have taken over the years? The answer with these folks is always “A lot”.
Heretic! That would have meant the Devine Trump had made a mistake!
Clearly, he deliberately made a “Biden-style gaffe”, in order to make fun of Biden and his weak economy. You’re just not sophisticated enough to get jokes on this level, alas.
Well, no. It’s whether college administrations should treat slogans like “from the river to the sea” as equivalent to “Kill the Jews.”
The slogan refers to the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, and means that it should be Muslims only in that space. Achieving this would, of course, mean either slaughtering all Jewish people currently attempting to populate the nation of Israel, or forcibly expelling them. Either would be an international crime.
I’ll concede that there are probably witless, desperate-to-feel-important college students who have no idea what river, what sea, or what the slogan implies. But it’s still hateful.
“Free Palestine” could be interpreted as meaning ‘end Israel,’ of course, but it’s less genocide-y than "from the river to the sea.’ Reasonable people might well believe that college rules shouldn’t necessarily expel students who are heard to say one of these slogans once. But there might be a sliding scale of consequences for those who are knowingly advocating for Jews being removed from Israel—AND for those knowingly advocating for Palestinians to be removed from the same land.
It’s a fair question. I’m not sure how ‘standing for Israel’ implies the death of Palestinians, though no doubt there are some who crave the death of Palestinians and who’ve said something about standing for Israel. I wouldn’t think it’s common, though.
Drawing the line IS difficult. But the university presidents did seem to equivocate pretty offensively in their testimony. The question to the Penn president (from Elise Stefanik) was:
The president declined to give a yes or no answer. There was no question of the issue being saying “Free Palestine” or some other ambiguous wording; it was “calling for the genocide.”
So despite acknowledging that there ARE some things a student could say that do not clearly call for genocide, I have to note that the university presidents DID fail to clearly respond to an unambiguous example of calling for genocide. For that reason, I’ll stick to the opinion I expressed in my earlier post.
So Biden’s creating jobs, but not the right kind of jobs? Reminds me of when righties were complaining about BLM protests and violence. “Why can’t they protest peacefully?” So NFL players started taking a knee on the sidelines during the national anthem. “No! Not like that!”
Of course the slogan refers to the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. But how does it imply only Muslims in that space? Could it not just as well, for instance, refer to that space being controlled by Muslims? And if that space being controlled by Jews does not necessitate all Muslims being eliminated, then it being controlled by Muslims likewise does not necessitate all Jews being eliminated.
Right now it feels like a protest where nothing is chanted but, “Please try not to kill civilian Palestinians” would be called antisemitic. I get that the river sea thing is a pretty obvious dog-whistle, but does the far right really want to open up dog-whistles to scrutiny? Oh, right. Double standards.
That’s certainly logical. What proportion of people who use the phrase mean it that way, though, would you guess? (I’d guess the proportion is notably low, though I can’t offer research on the topic.)
The entire tragic disaster will never be solved by the current right-wing government of Israel, in my view. The only way to get people to stop using “from the river to the sea” in the genocide sense is for the Israeli government to gain some credibility with Palestinians. That would require, at a minimum, giving the current Israeli settlements to Palestinians. (Give the Israeli inhabitants generous checks that would let them relocate elsewhere within Israel in fine style, but don’t make that relocation voluntary. The settlements are deplorably immoral.) For a real chance at credibility, the right-wingers running Israel’s government need to step down. They won’t, but they need to.
None of that would solve the world-wide anti-Semitism problem–but at least it would remove some of the current fuel now “justifying” haters’ hatred.