He did say he didn’t view it as a coup, along with that the coup was an expression of democracy, along with a bunch of other contradictory crap. I don’t think it was the coding.
What he thinks cannot be expressed clearly. You can’t polish a turd.
Regards,
Shodan
wrong thread
I think I figured him out. He’s like that guy in Memento. He can’t remember anything that happened more than 5 minutes ago. That explains why he keeps making the same stupid argument over and over again, no matter how many times he’s proven wrong. Why he asks for cites that have already been given, proposes hypothetical that have already been shown to be invalid.
John Mace wrote on 02-01-2014 at 09:42 PM, "As much as I feel for the Egyptian people, and wish them the very best, the idea that Morsi, a member of THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, wasn’t going to tilt the country in an Islamist direction is, well, laughable. I don’t care what he said during the election. It was THE MUSLIM FREAKIN’ BROTHERHOOD!!! <“Cite”
An Islamist direction is not desired by tens of millions of Egyptians. An Islamist direction is not in the direction toward the kind of democratic representative government with human rights protections known in America as freedom of religion, that those tens of millions rose up against Mubarak in the first revolution about three years ago were seeking.
That is one aspect of John Mace’s ignorant position on Egypt’s two revolutions that those of you here being a sympathetic idiot to him would most likely be unable to get to just how ignorant and incoherent John Mace’s arguments truly are. A majority of idiots is made up of individual idiots… and there is nothing much that can be done about that.
That is why Mace focuses so much on his bullshit claims about what HE THINKS my argument are. His arguments lack any kind of rationality, factual assessment of things or clear thinking so they are not defendable in the normal ways.
This following exchange also helps to define Mace’s ignorance on the whole subject of the revolutionary events taking place in Egypt the past few years…
The comparison I was making in this exchange was that in our history here in the USA ‘women and males without property’ did not have the right to vote from the early days of our ‘setting upon the path’ to the great democracy we have now. You know … . we have now since women have acquired the right to vote in our democratic Federal elections for such things as President and Senators and Representatives.
John Maces’s most ignorant argument here means that if it **is not democracy **in Egypt right now to limit or impede the right to vote of some citizens … then it could not have been democracy in the USA for all those years in America until all women and unpropertied males attained the right to vote.
I do not expect the ignorant and foolish onlookers and flame throwers on this thread to be able to recognize the significance of Mace’s thoughtless ranting on the subject of the revolution in Egypt. I see no desire on their part to care about such things.
It took our great nation 130 years to get democracy probably as right is it can be gotten… But if one argues that Egypt should be given more than one year to get it right -with respect to granting all the right to vote- John Mace need not come up with asshole questions to ask ‘why do you hate democracy’. That is not debating - that is being an asshole.
But if I am wrong… that thread is open… and I will be quite happy to continue explaining it to you all in a civil and rational way worthy of a forum named 'great debates.
Was the military coup of Mubarak’s regime and expression of democracy?
I’m sorry but I don’t recognize the significance. Can you explain how it relates to current events in Ukraine?
What military coup?
Regards,
Shodan
The one that took control of the government and arranged a prompt democratic election.
Don’t pay much attention to the world around you, do you?
I’m sure people will be rushing into that thread by the hundreds in order to get educumated by you.
If you want your posts to be worthy of GD, then one simple thing you can do is start quoting properly. In the case of quoting off-board sources, it’s difficult to tease out your own words from those you are quoting. In the case of quoting other posters, your style obfuscates and removes from context their words. In both cases, clarity suffers, and confusion and misunderstandings are encouraged.
It’s not difficult to quote properly. Really, it isn’t. The fact that you refuse to do so indicates that you desire obfuscation, confusion, and misunderstanding. Maybe that’s all you’ve got.
I was also unaware that Mubarak’s regime involved any military coup. Rigged elections, yes, but not a coup (he originally was named vice-President by Sadat and assumed the Presidency after Sadat’s assassination).
Depends on what you mean by coup. He had the support of the military, as a former member himself and one who got them what they wanted. They still dropped it when it became clear he was gone - people in the military are still people, after all. The guy who was chosen in the election that followed was pretty much against democracy after that, and the military overthrew him at that point.
Shodan, however, is stuck on military=authoritarian, elected=democratic, even to the point of denouncing the stupidity of anyone who tries to show him it isn’t always that simple. So let’s just keep on “regarding” him.
Morsi was ousted by a coup. That’s clear by any rational definition of “coup”.
With Mubarak it wasn’t quite so cut and dry. The military didn’t force him out (as they did with Morsi). Mubarak resigned, and left control of the country to the “Supreme Council” or whatever it is they call it. Now, if you want to argue that the military pressured Mubarak to resign (behind the scenes), I suppose that’s possible, but you’d have to produce some evidence of that, and I’m not aware that there is any good evidence out there.
A better “coup” argument can be made for later that year when the courts dissolved parliament and the military assumed full authority over the legislative branch. But by then, Mubarak had been out of power for months.
I’m sorry, but everyone is missing my point, which is that NotfooledbyW cannot make up his alleged mind as to what he is saying at any given point - a coup is/isn’t a coup, democracy is where the will of the majority is overturned by the military.
It was a mistake to post it. I am being sucked into the morass of stupid that represents his posting history. I’ve never seen a poster who contradicts himself with such blitheness, and ignores refutation with such determined dumb. Now he is claiming that an opinion he posted on whether the Egyptian military can overthrow the government was not an opinion on whether the Egyptian military can overthrow the government.
I am being taught the truth of the adage “never argue with an idiot - he will drag you down to his level and beat you on experience”.
Regards,
Shodan
And you’re missing almost everyone else’s point, which is that you’re a simpleton.
Laughter,
ElvisL1ves
That you have such a hard-on for chasing Shodan around announcing to the world how much you dislike him doesn’t mean everyone else does. I’d much rather be stuck on a desert island with him than with you were I forced to choose between the two, and politically my views are probably far closer to yours than to his. NFBW is a colossal moron. It’s not very hard to figure out.
I don’t often agree with Shodan, but as has been noted by a few of us, FooledByAlmostEveryone has the rare (perhaps “special” is a better word) ability to unite people across the political spectrum due to his pig headedness, strange views of political issues, and often contradictory postings. Not to mention the frustration of communicating with someone who butchers the English language (although claiming to be a native speaker) and who can’t figure out how the quote function works.
That goes to something I mentioned before - we don’t have to agree, but for heaven’s sake we can at least talk rationally. Or at least some of us can.
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NFBW is a colossal moron. It’s not very hard to figure out.
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I am sure even Elvisl1ves recognizes that. What he doesn’t recognize is how revealing it is that he finds NotfooledbyW to be so much of a kindred spirit.
Regards,
Shodan
This is from the Egyptian Thread. NfbW’s talking about the coup quote again, but I think his last sentence is telling:
I think the take-home message is that if you disagree with something he has said, actually point out a contradiction that he has made, or say he’s mistaken–you’re the unreasonable forum member in his mind.
Regardless of political leanings, I think most people here would say he’s the one who isn’t very reasonable.
But apparently it’s all our fault because we can’t “properly understand” his “context”.
Yep. Did you ever notice the habit he has of responding to the rare instances when someone posts something in agreement with him: Thanks for your reasoned and intelligent post. You may not have noticed this because the instances of anyone agreeing with him are few and far between.