Oh, won't somebody pit the children?

Ok, not all the children, just two in particular, but they’re getting me close to thinking the whole lot of them aren’t much better.

A little back-story:

I’ve moved a month ago to India, and my first cousin has very graciously let me stay at his place indefinitely, and accommodated me very nicely. I am very gracious for that, and it has made the whole transition infinitely easier. He lives there with his wife (to be known as CW), 10-year old boy (B), and 6-year-old girl (G).

Now, i haven’t lived with children since i was myself a child and living with siblings, and maybe that is clouding my views. But i don’t think so.

These kids are brats. Huge brats. I don’t think brat actually describes it. I have other words in mind, but if i actually called a child such words, people would have my head. So i won’t say it, but i’ll still think it.

First off, they scream. All the time. And they cry and whine. All the time. And when i say all the time, i mean all the time. I mean every 2nd sentence out of their mouth is scream/cry/whine. I am not exaggerating. They want everything and they want it now. And if they don’t want it now but someone else has it, then they all of a sudden want it now. I’m trying to think which kid is worse, and maybe it’s G because she screams constantly. When i pick her up. When i try to have a little fun with her (no sense of humor). When I’m holding something that’s hers, or at least she wants to be hers at that moment. There’s no “Uncle, put me down.” or “Uncle, can i have that please.” Nope. Just a loud scream for her Mommy. Again and Again. Until she gets what she wants.

They don’t listen to their parents. EVER. One time, CW asked B to do a minor chore. And he flat out said “No”. Holy crap! I never had the audacity to say that to my parents. I would at least bug or complain or give a bunch of [I>“Do I hafta?”*s before i relented. But to them, nope. They do whatever they want whenever they want. They watch TV when they’re not supposed to. They eat junk food when they shouldn’t. One time when i was left “in charge” (as if i actually had any control), and B kept on attempting to turn on the TV but i was physically blocking it from him. I finally got frustrated and I said to him: I will tell your mom what your are doing when she gets back. And he said back to me: Go ahead, she won’t do anything.

Which is right, because they won’t do anything. There’s no sense of discipline. Sometimes CW will raise her hand threatening to strike either of them, and B or G might flinch, but they know it’s an empty threat, and will go on disobeying as they were. Sometimes G laughs right afterwards.

They hit their parents. I mean, genuinely attempt at a strike to hurt (which i’m sure doesn’t, but that’s not the point). They make huge messes, and won’t clean it up, even when told to. (Heck, when i made a mess when i was young, i cleaned it up as quickly as i could before my mom would find out and scold me). They watch TV at high volumes, and leave trails of junk in their paths. They speak in voices louder than most obnoxious cell-phone users (and that’s when they’re NOT screaming or crying).

When watching TV, they are usually in a deep trance, ignoring all of outside. One day, right home from school, they were plopped in front of the TV. And CW asks when what they want to eat. Fifteen times. No answer. And after the show, B complains he’s hungry. For the next 30 minutes. Because there’s nothing to eat that he wants.

One time G was mad, and she happenned to have a very large, heavy, metal padlock in her hand. So she threw it at CW (it missed fortunately). And what came of that? Nothing. No verbal outrage, no time-out, no grounding, nothing but a mad stare. I’m sure many of you don’t condone corporal punishment, but dammit, these kids need a swift kick in the arse.

I look forward to the times they are at school. Which is thankfully a very long 9-5 (including Saturdays!). But alas, soon enough, i’ll be gone those hours too, and when i return each night, i’ll have them waiting for me.

Because they are my cousins, i don’t won’t to think that my cousin and CW are bad parents, but, in my heart, i think they are. I try to think, maybe it’s because i’m not a parent, that i haven’t been around children, but i don’t think that’s it.

I don’t think i can accurately describe what it is living with them, and there’s so much more i have left out. It’s excruciating and driving me bat-shit insane. I know that i need to move out, but for some other reasons, i need at least another month or two.

Uggh. I just need to vent.

Don’t blame the children, blame the parents. 100%. Quite frankly, if 1/2 of what you write is true, they suck as parents and should never, ever breed again.

A lot of that would describe my kids…screaming, not listening, tranced-out watching TV, trails of junk. But I definitely try to do something about it, including timeouts and suspension of privileges (and if it’s something really bad, they might get a swat on the butt). Sometimes, it works, but kids are reallly difficult that way. But my kids aren’t brats, they’re, um, high-spirited…

Your cousins sound pretty bratty, though.

My 10 year old niece acts very much like you’ve described these two children acting. She is spoiled rotten, and an all-round not very nice kid to be around. She’s my niece; I hate this, but I don’t like her very much, and I also blame her parents. They have a horrible system of discipline - she gets away with anything until the parents get fed up, then they yell angrily, they fight with each other about disciplining her in front of her, they (especially my b-i-l) undercut each other in front of her. I don’t even like to visit them for an afternoon, much less living with them.

My advice for you - be as firm as you want when you’re in charge - kids understand different rules for different adults very well, and you can be Uncle Nazi. “When I’m in charge, these are my rules.” and stick by them - the kids will learn very quickly that you’re not the pushover their parents are. It might have to be extreme at first, but they’ll get it (my mom had to dump my niece in the bathtub fully clothed once, to get the message across that when Grandma says bath time, she’s not kidding). My nieces have different rules (i.e. any rules at all) at both aunties’ houses, and it’s not a problem.

Best of luck to you, alanak. You have my full sympathy.

At least you’ll be out of the house before they hit puberty.

Keep your chin up and your head on a swivel for flying metal. If any of those kids tries to hit you there’s nothing wrong with taking a firm but careful grip of their little paws and sternly saying “No.” Draw your own boundaries and stick to them.
If nothing else, kids go wonderfully with asparagus and curry-rice.

(Don’t mind me I am just giggling at the title. Carry on.)

Yep, they’re bad parents, and they’re going to wonder why their kids turned out so badly when they were “so nice to them.” Feel sorry for the kids. And enforce your own rules.

It’s sad, because once you put in the initial effort to be an effective parent, it goes a long way. Which is easier in the long run: carrying your 3-yo out of the library the minute he starts screaming or running away, leaving the books behind*, once or twice–or dealing with tantrum after tantrum because he knows it will get him what he wants? Kids with decent parents are far more pleasant to be around, while the OP’s cousins are awful all day, every day.
(*I was at work at the library last week when a 4-yo girl who should have known better threw a fit while leaving. Her mother still checked out the books, and pleaded and cajoled with the kid (to be fair, she was stuck carrying a large baby, so it wasn’t easy, but she still should have picked her up and left). This child screamed at the top of her lungs, and actually ran back into the library twice after leaving, treating everyone to a 10-minute impression of a pig being slaughtered. Horrifying, I tells ya.)

This worked great with me and my darling little nieces, but once my brother or sister-in-law was in the house, Uncle Yorick lost all authority. Try to send one to their room, for instance (the nieces, that is), and my sister-in-law would say, “Oh, she didn’t mean that,” and I’d be the asshole.

It sounds like this might be what alanak would run into.

Yeah, it might - that’s why I said “When you’re in charge,” meaning when he has been left to look after the kids when the parents aren’t around. Of course, parents around or not, alanak always has the authority to tell the kids what kind of treatment he doesn’t accept from them; things like, “Uncle alanak doesn’t talk to kids who only scream,” “When I ask you a question, I expect an answer,” etc.

Sounds like the kids know that crying & screaming = getting what they want. And that’s why they continue to do it.

Sounds like the parents would rather give in to shut them up instead of holding out like they should, because that takes more work.

Which is too bad, because it’s only going to get worse, not better. A hit from the 10 year-old may not hurt them now, but it sure will when he’s 16.

Yeah, it’s not often i’m left in charge, because when the children are at home, almost always one of the parents are home. So thus, any authority i might have (which is unsurprisingly little) is completely gone.

I do try to tell them what behavior i expect from them. I constantly tell them to stop screaming in my ear, or to answer my questions. But nothing has seemed to change. I suppose i can only keep trying.

Are there any consequences when they don’t obey you, or do their parents overrule you?

Spankings! Spankings for everybody! And then timeouts! And no TV! And, and, and then more spankings!

That ought to do it.

You might not have any authority over them, but you have authority over yourself. You have a right to set boundries, and to emphatically state that they are not to hit you, for instance. 'Course, this doesn’t much help with the screaming.

And then comes the aural sects!

Er, singing monks, I mean.

Jesus! What a bunch of brats!

My parents always used to tell me they couldn’t understand me when I whined. It broke me of the habit early.

They’d tell me to talk to them in a grown-up voice - ie, grown-ups don’t whine to get stuff they want. Once I tried this on a 7-year-old in my care, he ran up to me whining about some crap, and I said “I can’t understand you, tell me in a grown-up voice,” and he looked really puzzled for a minute, then repeated his complaint in a VERY DEEP voice.

It was hilarious.

I love the I can’t understand you when you whine line, I use it on all children in my presence!

Yep, those kids suck and without parental backup there isn’t shit all you can do about it. Hopefully you at least have a room to escape to? Maybe find a part-time evening job to get you away from the stress and make extra money to get you out of there sooner.

nearly chokes on health bar reading this …I’m glad I wasn’t eating pretzels. :smiley: