I started off a Mason.
If sachertorte’s the Troublemaker, I still am.
If Biotop’s the Troublemaker, I switched with Wolverine, who was the Tanner, so I am the Tanner.
Unless Mahaloth and Wolverine are both lying, in which case I’m probably a Wolf.
Ouch.
So you are saying you are either a wolf or tanner? That’s a hell of a position to be in for all of us.
Not exactly. I could still be a Mason, if sachertorte’s the Troublemaker.
I wouldn’t mind hearing from** HookerChemical** myself.
But wait! We (towners) only need to kill 1 wolf for victory, yes? Ok, so it’s not as a shitty proposition as I first thought.
Claimed starting roles:
Inner Stickler, Seer
Biotop, Troublemaker
snfaulkner, Villager
Prof. Pepperwinkle, Mason
TexCat, Robber
HookerChemical, Mason
Wolverine, Tanner
Mahaloth, Seer
Johnny Bravo, Drunk
sachertorte, Troublemaker
So, it appears that there is no one started as 2nd villager or Insomniac or Hunter.
It also appears nobody started as wolf either :rolleyes:
Besides wolves obviously, would any of those 3 roles need to lie about anything?
The Tanner is trying to get killed. So he might lie.
One needs to be sure which side one is on before telling the absolute truth, no?
If Inner Stickler is telling the truth, then Mahaloth and Wolverine are both lying. Plus we would have an additional liar between Sachertorte and Biotop.
If Mahaloth is telling the truth, then Inner Stickler is a liar, and one of Sachertorte and Biotop.
Fair enough.
Yes, but the Troublemaker, whether you or Sacher, should know what side you are on. Neither one of you was involved in any of the claimed switches.
**Inner Stickler ** would have to be a very lucky liar to put two roles out there that might be claimed, but have not been. Though of course the Tanner wouldn’t ever claim unless his role was switched. But the Insomniac would be more problematic.
We have not heard from everyone yet.
How would this work? The Tanner would be the third liar presumably but Inner Stickler says there is no Tanner role in the game (that we would know - the Drunk would be unaware). Why would a village aligned player lie?
The only way it works is if Inner Stickler is the liar, Mahaloth is the seer and I was or (hopefully not) am the Tanner.
But Wolverine did claim Tanner.
Ooh, you’re so wolfy!
Because there’s nothing more embarrassing than to proudly declaim that Ole So-and-So is a wolf and everyone votes but when the cards are flipped the troublemaker swapped So-and-So and Whasshername.
I’m tempted to believe that Biotop is being truthful about being the troublemaker. Whether Sachertorte is trying to cover his wolfiness, playing at the tanner, or merely digging for info, I can’t decide.
As long as you trust Texcat and Johnny Bravo about what happened last night. Hmm, but even so, if one did get robbed, they’d still be a robber and therefore town so alignment still checks out. Nevermind.
Say you were a wolf and you could see how this game might be going to play out. The smart thing, it seems to me, would be to either get a false claim out good and early OR to lay low and claim “villager.” You would not wait to find out if your role was switched because if and when you discovered it you could always say “Hey, I WAS a wolf, which is why I lied, but now…”
Inner Stickler’s claim surprised me in that it came out before he could confirm his role had not been switched. But for it to be false, IS would have to be willing to risk another Seer appearing (one has), a Tanner who WAS switched appearing (one has) and an Isomniac appearing (one has not so far). The claim also came out before anyone could make a false claim on those roles (assuming IS is telling the truth).
I don’t see why a wolf would dare that many contradictions in a “First Post of the Day” claim. The risk would be too great , it seems to me. Right now I believe Inner Stickler. But we shall see.
No. It’s much more straightforward. Well at least to me. I falsely claimed troublemaker in an attempt to see if I could get mahaloth or hookerchemical to confess to being a werewolf.
Johnny Bravo outlined the reasoning shortly after I fake claimed. Unfortunately bio top counter claimed before mahaloth or hookerchemical could respond. Looks like I might have picked a good pair too. But it also looks like biotop picked a wolf village pair too.
I lied because I am the other mason and felt that prof p would be able to confirm that when I eventually confessed. Of course now prof p is suspect so, yeah.
from my point of view mahaloth is a werewolf and wolverine was a werewolf but is now a mason. So wolverine is in a position to break to game wide open.
Sorry prof p. Biotop switched you and now I think you are a werewolf.