Wow, look what I started! Geez, Esprix, I humbly apologize–I was making a not-so-nice comment in a bad mood; I didn’t mean for it to turn into something like this.
Though perhaps we could turn this thread into a one-trick-pony hunt: me and literature (my usual post), Unc and guns, Stoid and republicans, Zette and employment…the list could go on and on.
Again, Esprix, I apologize.
Stof (blushing, abashed, and properly ashamed)
Generally, I agree with Esprix on this one - a true one trick pony homosexual is Jack on “Will and Grace”, and spree’s got a tiny bit more depth than Jack does.
I will point out, however, that the significance of particular anti-gay incidents tends to get diluted if all such incidents are treated as equally important and equally abhorent. Take from that what you will, Esprix.
While I have your attention, I will call you to task on your “Prince Philip - was that necessary, Cecil?” thread. Regardless of whether Unca Cece should have made that comment, I don’t think you were on great moral ground to raise the objection, seeing how you were contemporaneously teasing JDT by calling him a repressed homosexual. Both your and Cece’s jibes were equally acceptable or unacceptable.
Now, I’m off to fuck myself - not because anyone’s told me to, but because it sounds fun. Anyone have a manual?
Sua
I have to say that I also feel that you Esprix, come across as a person who’s sexual orientation defines him more than any other personal characteristic.
I enjoy your posts from time to time but more often than not I feel like I’m reading a ‘What Would the Gay Guy Do?’ post.
Most posters here are sexual beings. I also believe that most posters here find their sexuality personally important and often mentally pre-occupying. (Well the mentally pre-occupying part may just be me :)) But most seem to realize that it is hardly their main defining characteristic. I find this statement to be true not only among the heterosexuals but also the overwhelming majority of the gay and bi participants.
I do appreciate the fact that you are often outraged by the abundance of the deep seeded anti-gay attitudes in the world at large. Most of us are not blind to that fact not do we endorse these kinds of biases. Most of us would stand up and fight that kind of ignorance regardless of our personal sexual orientations. That is why it is my personal feeling that often times you are preaching to the choire… but that’s only when you are not busy tilting at windmills.
Hope you take this in the spirit intended. Not a flame, just an observation. YMMV.
You know, one time I mentioned my sex life in a thread. In contrast, another poster posted this sweet little (heterosexual) Norman Rockwell-esque domestic scene, ending it “Do I want to be gay? No. It’s nothing personal.”
I posted an account of a wonderful night on the town I’d recently had. It was eleven paragraphs long and ended “Do I want to be straight? No. It’s nothing personal.”
Someone complained about how “telling them about my sex life was getting old.” Well, I responded, depending on your definition, the sex life only took up the last 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 paragraphs of that little essay I just wrote. Which was true. But they thought the whole thing was about sex.
Think something like that might be going on with Esprix? Is it possible that when he posts to non-gay-themed threads he’s more invisible as a poster, but when he posts to gay-themed threads you think “Oh god, there goes Esprix again”? In other words, the-van-is-always-at-the-corner syndrome?
IMHO, it’s part that and part of what Esprix already said: “when you’re a sexual minority, your are keenly aware in every facet of your life how much your sexuality is intertwined - from office Christmas parties to marriage. My apologies if, perhaps, you got a taste of what I face, both subtly and gross, each and every day of my life.” That has been my experience, and I wish to associate myself with this remark from my learned colleague.
So if, during that time, someone had made the same observation about you, how would you have felt? After all, isn’t the truth (and why it’s an important truth is beyond me) more important than hurt feelings?
So I’m going through a couple days of queer outrage - somebody shoot me! Puh-lease. Like you needed to be instructed to pull back on writing about writing?
Esprix
Ah, a voice of reason - thanks, Jack.
Truth? The thought crossed my mind yesterday afternoon. I hardly need to be lectured about my own foibles.
Esprix
I object to this public flaunting of your sexual orientation. I mean, really - can’t you just keep it in the bedroom where it belongs? And starting all these threads, parading around like you’re proud of your sick selves. Really. It’s getting tiresome. 
Oh, you just want me to flirt with you, too. (Don’t let matt see!)
Esprix
How does it feel huh esprix? What come around goes around huh buddy? ::remembering him when he flamed me for to many Bond threads::
All I have to say now is na nana na na. 
I didn’t realize I had to make a choice.
I was under the (evidently mistaken) impression that in the time I’ve been here I’ve proven that I am quite complex. Guess I need to re-think that one.
And the enlightened, intelligent, reasonable people on this board would care… why, exactly?
Esprix
Yeah, I’m tired of hearing about Coldfire’s alternate nationality - let him keep it in the fjords where it belongs!
I wonder what makes neutronstar different?
Esprix
Well, thank you, Golf. It’s just a shame others don’t seem to see me the same way. Based on how I’m viewed here (at least according to this thread), then you understand why it was easy for me to relegate myself to a simple idea rather than a person. You don’t suppose this one-trick pony has some depth, do you? Or feelings? Or intelligence?
Esprix
Oh get off your cross-somebody needs the wood.
Look, Esprix-I like you. I think you’re a funny person, a pretty kewl guy (even if you do like Star Trek), and an intelligent human being.
I think I was trying to say is, maybe this is the impression some people are getting-that you’re selling yourself short.
Shit, this isn’t gonna come out right…
What I meant by the personwhois/gayperson thing was, I think that by Gay Person I meant, is that, SOME people (I didn’t say I felt that way) might assume that you see yourself as a one dimensional character. Obviously you’re not. I mean, I guess I think it’s almost like you want to get a rise out of us. I mean, I’ve seen people complain that some people on the board are too quick to flaunt their religion, or their political views, or their whatever. It’s probably true for all of us.
I’m just trying to say, the WE do think you’re more than just the Gay Guy. You’re more than just an entity of gayness, the personification of Homosexuality. The point is-do YOU think you are?
Maybe some people think you’re selling yourself short.
(I’d go fuck myself, but I gotta get ready for class)
I’d say he’s more than a one-trick pony. He feels passionate about homosexuality. He can have fun defending it, that’s his right.
I try to provide a moderate view of Christianity, where it’s sorely lacking on the net… Hell, I get ignored 90% of the time anyway, so what’s the point.
Argh - too many individual posts.
And might I note I cannot believe I’m put in the position of defending myself. This is ridiculous and shameful. (Alas, I can’t just walk away - it just ain’t in me.)
stofsky, apology accepted, although I will say that your comment ticked me off as much as this thread does, regardless that I know neutronstar’s original intent was not to insult. As I said, even before you posted your comment, the thought had already crossed my mind; evidently that was insufficient.
A “tiny” bit? 
And I’m far more fabulous than Jack (although I will secretly admit only to you that he is a hero of mine - gotta love 'im).
I thought mundane and pointless was just as fair game on this board as the great debates?
I took slight objection to a questionable comment that Cecil made and went to great lengths not to condemn the man, but to voice my opinion. And to compare Cecil attacking me (which I didn’t and would not accuse him of) to the deserved caustic responses I made to Jack Dean Tyler’s brand of idiocy is absurd and insulting.
And I still maintain (as if I have to) that the majority of my posts do not deal with my sexual orientation.
I come here for the very thing you’re remarking on - solace in a similarly-minded community. Alas, it seems I talk too much.
{sigh} Thanks, matt.
Careful - our flirting might get you accused of being a one-trick pony… er, um, that sounds worse than I meant it!
And Wildest Bill, your inanity, immaturity and ignorance once again reveal themselves. I’m sure your fellow third-graders were enthralled by your witty retort. :rolleyes:
neutronstar, I don’t hate you, and after writing all this, I’m not even mad at you, because you know what? You have a point - I thought of it before you did. But I still find it insulting that you felt the need to go out of your way to post a thread about it.
Esprix
In our society heterosexuality is implied and assumed by the masses as the standard, so one is considered heterosexual until proven otherwise. Some of us find that offensive and are more than willing to say: ‘Nope, we’re gay.’
Heterosexuals generally don’t think of their sexuality in the same way that we do because of the hegemonic nature of heterosexuality. You see your sexuality affirmed everywhere. On television, in music, and opposite sex couples mauling themselves in public do you see your sexuality constantly affirmed. Everytime you look at a man in a sexual fashion you are thinking about your sexuality.
You go, Hastur!
Are you implying that maybe we don’t know what it’s like to be dumped on for some stupid thing?
You got me on a bad day…If there’s one thing I can’t stand, it’s people trying to say, well, our group is more abused than all others. It’s not true. Everyone gets picked on for something. Everyone has experienced injustice in some way shape or form. Getting defensive about it isn’t the answer.
I don’t care WHAT your reason is…I get picked on by some teachers who find out I have a learning disability, like it makes me stupid. I got picked on all through grade school for not having a lot of money. I got picked on because my dad’s a funeral director. I got picked on because of what I wore, or how I talked, or because of this or that. I KNOW what it’s like to be judged and picked on. I got beat up and shit all through fucking grade school, okay? I had my desk trashed, gum and paper thrown in my hair, my possessions destroyed. I saw teachers telling me just to ignore it, that kids are kids. I had people spreading nasty rumors about me. Do you think I was happy about it? In fact, one thing that makes me see red more than anything is hearing about bullying and how people get away with it.
And it’s not always about your skin color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, etc etc etc…it’s because people feel shitty about themselves and feel the need to make others feel bad-so they just use something as an excuse.
grrr…I’m in a bad mood today, so I’m likely to piss people off.
<looks at self in horror>
Guilty as charged (on occasion)… but I can’t help but think that you can’t blame a poster for mentioning what’s important to them, be it sexual orientation or mumbly peg.
Oh for heaven’s sake, Guina, this isn’t a game of more-oppressed-than-thou. The point isn’t that gay people have the weight of the world on our shoulders, but the way in which we are oppressed.
We have learned that the easiest way to stay oppressed is to remain silent, and that our sexuality has political implications. This being the case, we may tend to focus on it more than straight people focus on theirs. Straight people don’t have to focus on their sexual orientation because they are not oppressed because of it and because it is constantly affirmed.
It’s not that gay people are more oppressed; it’s that the way in which we are oppressed helsp to explain what some people see as gay people refusing to shut up. That’s ACT UP’s motto: silence = death.
Mumbly Peg? What the hell…