One trick pony homosexuals

In fairness to the OP, however, if your observation were true, why was Esprix the subject and not “all them gay SDMBers”? You’re gay; he didn’t say anything about you. Andygirl’s a lesbian; he didn’t say anything about her. There are lots of homosexual posters, some more of whom I could even name if my brain functioned, but Esprix was singled out, and a review of his posting frequency does indicate that the majority of his posts address that topic. I’ve noticed it, too, just as I’ve noticed Anthracite sure loves coal questions.

My issue with the OP is that I’m not sure it’s Pit-worthy; Esprix can post 100% of his messages about being gay if he wants. If I posted 100% of my messages about baseball I doubt anyone would care. Even if it irritates you, not liking someone’s preferred subjects is not really Pit material unless they’re starting an absurd number of threads or something, is it?

Esprix, post what you want, when you want, on whatever topic you want.

If other people think you’re a one-trick pony, they don’t have to read your posts.

Hint, hint.
(And, Billy? That was really fucking childish of you, son. Don’t be a dick, m’kay?)

Rick: as it happens, I have been told off, on the boards and IRL, for being “too gay”.

Nicely put!

Hmm.

Esprix, I respect you as a poster. You have proven to be witty, intelligent, and observant.

I had considered starting a similar thread in the past. I tend to agree with Neutron, to a certain extent. I won’t go as far as to say you’re a one trick pony, because I have seen you contribute quite a bit around here. But I do get a bit weary of seeing yet another pit thread about how another random gay man’s rights were infringed upon.

And, Wildest Bill, shut the fuck up.

Oh, give me a fucking break, y’all. Everyone posts more about the things which particularly interest or affect them.Esprix is engaging and witty no matter the topic. He also happens to be politically-minded, prolific, and gay. So what?

Mumblety-peg is a game.

You throw a knife and it sticks in the ground.

Okay, it isn’t much of a game, but it was pretty hot before the invention of radio.

Wait…Esprix…you’re gay?

Next you’ll be telling me Hastur’s gay.
In seriousness, if you don’t like Esprix posting about gay issues, fuck you. He has already shown that he posts abotu quite a bit more. He just happens to post about gay issues a wee bit. If that’s what you choose to focus on and you ignore his other posts, that’s you. Someone who posts as much as Esprix can hardly be called a one-trick pony.What the fuck, why would this even occur as a topic to anyone?
Oh, and I actually found Wildest Bill’s comments amusing…childish…but amusing

Guin is right about this in many ways. Right now it’s very un-PC to pick on the Gay Guy because he whines too much. But it’s perfectly OK to tell me that I’m foaming at the mouth over women’s issues. I’m supposed to shut up with the feminist rethoric. It also seems to be quite alright to be not quite so PC with racial minorities these days. But the Gay Guy is off limits?

I don’t like Esprix, never have since I came here. Don’t read his threads or post to them. Doesn’t have a thing to do with him being gay. I think he’s nasty and obnoxious. I see his posts in other threads. Many of them are snide one liners, attempts at thread killing. He’s concerned about gay rights but he never seems to be terribly concerned about the rights of others. I don’t find him particularily bright either. How hard is it to throw around a bunch of “fuck yous” when all else fails. He is one dimentional, or at least seems to be. He also displays the attitude that he belongs to SDMB royalty or something. And others here seem to be afraid to question him or take him on, of course it’s hard to argue with someone that resorts to nothing but “go fuck yourself”. I ignore him usually. I certainly don’t intend to have any kind of meaningful exchange with him because he’s such a self centered ass most of his posts have no meaning. If I want to have a meaningful conversation about gay rights I’ll do it with someone that has a little dignity and something and useful to say.

Needs2know

You know what Matt-you’re right. I’m sorry I flew off the handle. I guess I just think that everyone should treat everyone with respect no matter what the reason. And no, NO ONE should be silent about injustice and abuse. I’m probably guilty of talking about the Romanovs way too much.

I’d HATE to have anyone’s feelings hurt by something I said. That is one thing about me-I’m a sensitive wuss-I tend to appologize too much. And ramble. I guess I just tend to be too fucking sensitive. I don’t want to hurt anyone. But I hate any form of injustice, no matter what it is. And I don’t think anyone is more picked on, or anyone’s way of being picked on is worse than any other. BEcause it always hurts, and I know what’s it like to hurt. (GOD, does this sound stupid and patronizing).

Okay. And now I feel bad because I feel like I hurt someone, which I didn’t mean to do. For the record, I never really THOUGHT that Matt, or Esprix, or Hastur or Andygirl ever posted about their sexuality too much. Of course they don’t. I only agree with neutron in the sense that maybe he felt that Esprix might be selling himself short, that’s all.
I mean, I see threads where people say, “Christians flaunt themselves too much.” (NOT trying to start a martyr type post). And someone told me that it was rude for me to roll my eyes when I got annoyed when someone said “It’s stupid for Christians to wear a cross and flaunt their religion.” My religion may be a part of whom I am-is it okay then for them to pick on me for that? No. It’s not okay to pick on people for any reason! But people told me I was too sensitive. Maybe I was, maybe I wasn’t. Whatever-I’m not going to let it bother me. REally-I’m not being sarcastic. It’s his problem if he doesn’t like a part of me. Not mine.

My point? I don’t think i have one, other than I feel REALLY awful if I hurt someone’s feelings-I DO NOT like doing that (I’m sorry, I’m a big fucking softy, okay?)
I guess I just want everyone to stop being defensive. And stop taking things personally-because that’s when fights start. And I hate fights between friends. I think maybe neutron thought Esprix might be takign things a little too personally, and that he should calm down and realize-we’re not out to get you. Because when you start getting too defensive, I think, you destroy yourself.

Yeah, I know I’m patronizing, and self-justifying and all kinds of bullshit. ANd no, I’m not saying this to make myself look better. It’s how I feel, and if you don’t like it, eat kitty litter.

So: if I hurt anyone, I did not mean to do so. I feel bad about it and I’m sorry.

Christ, Needs2know, martyr much? :rolleyes:

Uh, last time I checked, somebody put me here - I ain’t here by choice. And it’s hard not to have a persecution complex when people take pot-shots at you and what you say.

Guin, I understand what you’re saying, but I think it’s more likely that other people are selling me short. Again, do I need to do a gay-to-non-gay post ratio for my entire time posting on the SDMB? I really think, despite everyone’s impressions, that I post way more non-gay posts than people think. Maybe it’s because I started the “Ask the Gay Guy” threads, but then again, they were some of the most successful, long-lasting threads on this board, so people couldn’t have been too tired of it, no? It’s hard having a reputation, I guess - they hail you for having it, then turn on you when you fulfill it.

Oh, and what matt said about the “more oppressed than thou” thing, and I think you understand that. But you also said:

At the risk of making this worse than it already is, this sounds remarkably like the OP of this thread.

Hastur, brilliant insights as usual. And let’s not forget that since heterosexuality is predominant and implied everywhere, mentioning homosexuality is usually noticed more.

mouthbreather, I’m sorry my threads annoy you. I’ll make sure to ask that guy holding the gun to your head to stop reading them.

I mean, WTF? Why does anybody even care? OK, so some of you aren’t as interested in gay issues as others (and as someone already pointed out, if no one were interested, they wouldn’t get any responses). Am I complaining about the myriad of gun control threads in GD? Or election threads? Or matt posting about the election? Or David B being skeptical? Would I devote a thread to it? Maybe, as someone else pointed out, if there were an overwhelming preponderance to the point of saturation, but I hardly think posting two threads in one day about two PlanetOut articles constitutes a preponderance.

And I now worship the ground Gadarene walks on, and can’t wait to meet oldscratch in person. :wink:

Esprix

No, it’s merely incorrect.

How you manage to reduce everything that Esprix has posted to this thread in his own defense to three words is beyond me. Even if you didn’t read it, you had to scroll past quite a bit of it. Are you blind perhaps?

I suppose you are entitled to dislike Esprix, but I can honestly say that I think my life is better for having read his posts. I have learned a lot, about homosexuality and homosexual issues from him, and having been here in the days before Ask the Gay Guy, it seems to me that the board overall has become more tolerant as well. How many posters can even claim to have had tha sort of impact?

So gay issues are important to him. Big deal. Even if Esprix had never posted something unrelated to homosexuality, I still think his presence on the board would have been a positive one.

I think that there are two different subjects being discussed here.

A) First, there is the subject of the OP: Esprix has been littering the message boards with articles from “Planet Out” that discuss prejudice/discrimination against gays. Should he quit doing that?

B) Second, there is a separate subject on a much larger issue: Some people feel that Esprix and possibly some of the other gay and lesbian posters are showing off their homosexuality more than necessary. Should they quit doing that?

Here’s my own opinion on subject A):

I kinda have to agree with the OP. I’ve seen a few messages lately posted by Esprix where he quoted some pertinent lines from a “Planet Out” article, made a one-line comment about how unfair he considered it, and that was it. Nothing else. I think that this sort of hit-and-run posting gets a little tacky over time. I wouldn’t be particularly happy if a PETA advocate started littering the SDMB with horror stories about the fur industry or if a Christian started doing that sort of thing with articles about how Fundies are being mistreated by liberals (or vice versa).

I think posts of this sort would be more valid if Esprix would take the time to explain why a given particular incident is important to him or mirrors some incident in his own life, or if he participated to a greater extent in these threads in some other way, rather than just parachuting “Planet Out” articles into the SDMB whenever they bug him.

That’s my own perception of that issue. It may be wrong, but that’s my perception. In any case, Esprix has already said that he’s considering doing less of those posts, so it’s probably a moot issue.

As for subject B):

Leaving aside the “Planet Out” articles, I’m happy with the level of flaunting of homosexuality, and I could even stand for a bit more. There’s an incredible amount of flirting, PG-rated sexual jokes and connotations, and even blunt discussions on sexual topics coming from the heterosexual side of the SDMB, and I don’t see nearly enough of the same coming from the homosexual posters. Several threads in the past really stand out in my memory in terms of some frank homosexual flirting and discussions of sex, but only several of them. I expect that true equality will never really until people are every bit as welcoming towards homosexuals flirting and kissing in front of them–or on TV or in the movies–as they are towards heterosexuals doing the same.

The producers of “Will and Grace” are still at the point where they have to weigh the impact on their audiences of each and every kiss between two men on the show. It shouldn’t have to be that way. Hell, I’m very pro-gay, but even I still do a double-take when I see two men smooching in public in down on the Mall in DC. That tells me that there’s not enough of it going on, since it’s still such a rare sight.

In short, I think we need more “flaunting” rather than less. More tales of personal lives, more tales of personal loves, more tales of how an issue looks from the “gay side.” And more willingness of others to hear those tales, or at to quit complaining that the gays are “flaunting” again.

Corrections for my last post:

…when I see two men smooching in public down on the Mall in DC…

…And more willingness of others to hear those tales, or at least to quit complaining that the gays are “flaunting” again.

No Andros I just don’t like Esprix…he knows it. He doesn’t like me either. Probably never thinks of me. Can’t help but notice him though plastered everywhere with his thumb stuck in his mouth. I think he’s a nasty little snit. He’s rude and obnoxious. If anyone likes to play the martyr it’s him.

Guin…do not apologize. Do not kiss his tight little ass. That’s Dr. Boyfriends job or whoever is in the picture right now. Believe me this guy would never apologize to you. It’s wonderful to be sensitive and civilized. But with some people that will not get you anywhere. Believe it or not there are some people that would find someone with your sympathy and good heartedness to be nothing more than a sucker. And here on the SDMB I don’t see a lot of apologizing going on no matter how nasty and uncivilized people become. Anything anyone says is fair game. Even though I consistantly try to be as civil and as non-judgmental as possible believe me there are plenty of those who will not. You said what you thought. Don’t apologize.

Needs2know

JTR: 'Spree is “littering the message board” with posts about Planet Out articles? Hyperbole much? :rolleyes:

…Nice post aside from that, JTR. Really.

I hope that I’m not one of the people you are defending yourself against. I thought I was actually supporting you. Likely I’m just an incompetent writer. :stuck_out_tongue:

Depends on what you want your posts to accomplish. To take the thread that I think started this silliness, if you want to bitch about Mexicana, post all you want. If you want to persuade people to boycott Mexicana, don’t let it get lost amongst many other posts.

And don’t get me wrong, Esprix – I love your posts whether I particularly care about the subject matter or not. You are an excellent writer, and I almost always read threads started by you. If I had my druthers, you’d do a dozen posts a day. (Oh, that’s right, you do :D).

I don’t think it’s absurd or insulting. Both Cece’s throwaway about the “gay lisp” and your “repressed homosexual” responses to JDT were jokes that played on stereotypes about homosexual men. Either these stereotypes are appropriate sources of humor or they are not. The only difference I see is that your jibe was timely in context and pretty funny, while Cece’s was lame.

Sua

Wildest Bill, I figured you’re too busy assembling your transition team and getting ready to move to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue to be pestering the grownups. Don’t you have any felons to execute?

I have to praise my fellow gay guy, Esprix, for the thought and wit he puts in his posts. I find what he has to say thought-provoking and useful, and I see no reason why y’all should consider him a one-trick pony. Sure, he posts about gay issues, but as he has illustrated, he has also posted on many other topics. Esprix has a Wildean wit that other, less-gifted posters can only envy, and he is one of the folks whose posts are most consistently entertaining.

One tends to read threads and post to topics that are of interest, and, being gay, Esprix, Matt, Hastur, SqrlCub, Andygirl, and I will tend to post to and create threads that deal with gay issues, among others. If you’re not interested in reading the ATGG threads or a gay-related thread, don’t. As for me, keep it coming, Esprix!

News to me. We’ve had our differences (although I can only recall that we’ve had some, but nothing specific comes to mind), but I’ve always found you to be a good poster and harbor no ill-will towards you.

Huh.

And now that this newfound revelation has been revealed to me? Hmmm, lemme check… nope, don’t care. But hey, thanks for playing! :smiley:

Esprix