I asked my mom about this. She basically said it was because everyone else she knew really hated her. She does seem to agree with my sister and me that Trump is worse, though.
She’s also started letting me in on what one of her friends who really hates Clinton say. And it’s pretty much exactly the talking points. It’s about Benghazi or the email scandal. It’s the Facebook rumors. It’s anything that makes her look even slightly bad. Because she already hates her.
I think the difference is indeed how long she’s been around, and how long people have had to build up hatred for her. Trump is a lot worse, but, since he’s not been around as long, he doesn’t feel worse. Especially if you are in a bit of a bubble, and have internalized the idea that most media sources lie. So even if you think Trump is bad, you don’t think he’s as bad as the “liberal media” makes him out to be. You take that media with a grain of salt.
That’s why I think it took the military comment to get through. That was the first thing they couldn’t really explain away.
This candidate has been subject to more scrutiny and more investigations than any other candidate in recent history. And AFTER everything she’s been through and all the felonies she is supposed to have committed, there is no actual evidence of wrongdoing and no indictments.
So what evidence do you have to support this claim?
None.
The Republicans have been trying to indict her for literally anything since 1992, and they still have nothing.
They have faith. Faith, and the sure knowledge that they are right. Faith will trump logic and facts every time.
Really, if you try to use logic and facts to argue against this faith, it only drives people like this further into the bubble of knowing they are right.
For example, just try using logic and facts to convince a moon-landing hoax person that they are wrong. There is literally NOTHING you can bring to the table to make them change their minds. Because they KNOW they are right. Same with the Hilary haters.
It can even make things worse if you try. It is hard for anyone to acknowledge that their position is wrong, and it is far harder if the cause for their wrongness is that they have depended upon hate rather than reason to arrive at it. Often, all you can achieve is to entrench their wrongness and get them to hate you too.
Fighting ignorance means *showing *the ignorant that they’re ignorant. That’s largely why it takes so long.
Politics are shaped by attitudes, which are themselves influenced by our life experiences.
I have a half-brother who goes out and hunts with his buddies, all of whom are pro-NRA and hold similar views on democrats, Obama, and Hillary. Getting him to vote for someone like Hillary Clinton would basically mean changing his own perception of self. He belongs to a group of 2nd amendment fanatics, all of whom agree that democrats are going to take their guns away. Being the one guy in a circle of dudes sipping beers and saying “What if Hillary doesn’t actually want to take our guns away, but just wants to require licensing and registration?”…would be pretty awkward.
My uncle is a veteran of the Vietnam war. He has pretty much nursed a hatred of democrats his entire life, blaming the anti-war democrats for quitting when some believed they could have won and then being taunted and ridiculed when they came back. Merely pointing out that Trump lies his ass off has gotten me on his shit list.
In America, politics is almost like religion. Telling them that Trump is a fraud is like telling them God doesn’t exist. Some people have their reasons to hate Hillary and no amount of talking to them is going to work. As you say, they’ll just end up turning on you.
Most conservatives fear the unknown far more than most liberals. Brain structure is one aspect of that difference. Present a conservative with a ‘different’ situation, or a ‘change’, and they have, not a logical, but, a visceral reaction to it. Black POTUS? OMG. Woman POTUS? Oh, no!
These reactions are further reinforced by associations. Birds of a feather hunt together, work together, take coffee together…and talk, talk, talk about how horrible (buzzword Benghazi, buzzword Foster, buzzword Goldman Sachs, etc. etc.) HRC is.
Thankfully, these people are not likely voters. Being fearful and talking about their fears with peers is their therapy. Actually voting against someone they fear doesn’t give them that much satisfaction. It merely reminds them of their fear, fear they know is not entirely rational.
You know, when I saw him make that comment somewhere I thought it was sort of level-headed and intelligent of him. But then shortly after I was like “wait, what? What issues can he be concerned about?”
And I don’t want to ask him because I don’t want to talk politics with him because I don’t want to hate him.
I know. He never mentioned politics once before in the 20+ years that we’ve been friends. All of a sudden he’s a scholar - on the totally wrong side! It makes me want to die.
He’s not a Trump guy at least. So…he’s got that going for him?
Roe v Wade, believe it or not. According to some RW facebook friends god has chosen Trump as his vessel to staff SCOTUS with true christians that will stop the murder of millions of unborn.
Along with 77 other Senators and almost 300 Representatives. Not to mention Trump was pro Iraq war also. So yeah, GWB conned Congress. Why vote for his party?