Perhaps “gun control” does not equal “anti gun”. If it does, please explain the why and how.
The “no-fly list” itself has some issues, in my opinion. I also have a problem with the security theater we all endure when we travel commercially by air. However, both have passed constitutional muster by the only judges that matter. So, your “blatantly unconstitutional” comment is “blatantly false.”
No. Can’t be arsed. Why don’t you show she isn’t anti gun.
WTF are you even talking about? There was much discussion of making those on the no fly list ineligible to purchase guns, and Hillary supported the idea. Ultimately, no such law was passed. Many of the saner voices in that conversation raised the due process issues–meaning that they believed such a law would be unconstitutional. As do I.
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She is the stereotype politician. Deals right and left, change policy as needed to stay in tune with public.
I sort of like politicians who listen to the public and change their positions and strategies to try to accomplish what the public wants.
Of course, that statement is not intended to excuse racist or bigotted, even war mongering opinions held by their voting bloc.
I’m in favor of people, who have the ability to do so, accumulating wealth and power for the purpose of ‘doing good’. Her stance on guns, of course, is matched by at least 70% of the American public – reasonable control and universal background checks – and your broad and obviously incorrect assertion that HRC is without principles or morals? Ridiculous, laughable, sad. How in this world did you become so obtuse?
If restricting access to guns for those suspected of being or supporting terrorists is unconstitutional, then, of course, restricting any of their actions is, also. It must be unconstitutional for us to say they can’t fly, as well.
Why is it that gun rights supporters aren’t campaigning for being allowed to own cases of hand grenades, for example? C-4? Why can we regulate some weapons but not others?
Absolutely. The Clintons, from their paltry $10000000 a year income, donate at least a million to charity. HRC never has had a criminal charge leveled at her by any jurisdiction. Trump, from his yuge fortune of Billions of dollars, donated nothing to charity relief last 10 years, nothing that can be verified. He is involved in over 3000 suits against him or his companies because he stiffs workers and contractors, lets his property tax go unpaid, drains all the liquidity out of his projects at the first sign of trouble and then declares bankruptcy, and, believe it or not, says he is playing the business game the way the laws are written, the way he can get away with. God help us if all businessmen have the same attitude.
I pay taxes, and I hate that I have to trust Republican Federal and State congresses to decide how to use that money. I am bewildered that Republicans have any support outside of the top 1% in wealth, and, sadly, among those who sincerely feel that the social structure of our country is not matching their religious convictions.
So much can be ignored, forgotten, forgiven if your candidate is said to be in favor or one or two of your pet convictions. Even if he has a bunch of convictions of his own that are not the same.
If you base 100% of your vote on your distorted reading of the Second Amendment (i.e., ignoring the first half of it), then you never have and never will vote for a Democrat in your life. Your vote is not in play, never has been, and never will be. You may hate the Democratic candidate of the moment on other grounds as well, but that’s just icing on the cake. Hillary is not inherently evil, her opinions on guns match the vast majority of the public. No fly no buy just makes sense. If someone on the no fly list shouldn’t be, then he should do what it takes to get off it if it is so important that he purchase weapons designed to kill people.
And by the way, the SEC is evil as well.
And, if one really cares (I doubt those that think Clinton is going take away their guns do), most of those positions would be constitutional according to Justice Scalia’s opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller.
Sure, Hillary is in favor of passing modest gun control bills, those which the polls have shown to be popular.
Still, she’s not gonna take your guns away. At most, you wont be able to buy certain guns.
Ok, so this is a issue. I will grant you that. A black mark against her. Fair dinkum.
So, you’re willing to ignore clear and obvious racism, tax breaks for the rich, obstructionist Congress, government shut downs, privatization to make cronies rich, womens rights, voter suppression,… anti-Muslim phobia, homophobia and the denial of basic civil rights to gays, lesbians and transgender people , repudiation of same-sex marriage, no exceptions for rape or women’s health in cases of abortion; requiring the Bible to be taught in public high schools; selling coal as a “clean” energy source; demanding a return of federal lands to the states; insisting that legislators use religion as a guide in lawmaking…
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/opinion/the-most-extreme-republican-platform-in-memory.html?_r=0
All because in five years you might not be able to buy another military look high capacity semi-auto weapon.:rolleyes:
Single issue voters make me sick.
Yes, they are fairly moderate. As a small l libertarian, I don’t like them anyway, but they will not effect me, nor most gun owners.
Bullshit. There are Democrats that support the 2nd Amendment. I’ve voted for several of them.
A politician doing what the public wants, what a strange thing. And you think thats a negative?
Can you tell me all these bad things Hilary has done? I’ve asked a few times on here but so far all I get is vague mutterings about emails and Benghazi, as a non-American I’m still confused about what she has done that makes her so evil?
You seem very convinced about how evil she is, can you explain it to me?
Her emails show a error in judgement, which she admits. If Clinton had been a regular Civil Servant, she’d have gotten a letter of Reprimand. Not nothing but no big deal.
If you think Hillary is evil, you have no sense of historical perspective. Elizabeth Bathory was evil. Stalin was evil. Pol Pot was evil. So was Vlad Tepes. Genghis Khan killed enough people to cause global climate change.. Saddam Hussein and his sons were no gems. Hillary, on the other hand, has mismanaged her email, lacks charisma, and started a foundation that distributes AIDs medication to 9 million people.. Truly, history’s greatest monster.
Thats what I was told previously. Its just a very unsatisfying answer, because what you have just written does not nearly explain the level of hatred people seem to have for her. We have a guy calling her evil, how can she be deemed as “evil” just because of where she kept her emails? That makes no sense.
Hopefully I will be able to finally get the real reason from Oakminister, if he knows it.
Perhaps you could just link us to a news story that reasonably demonstrates to intelligent people that Hillary Clinton has no morals? Should be easy, since you read the fucking news.
By your own admission you don’t hate her enough to vote Trump. You are voting libertarian. So, even with you hating her so much you still think Trump is worse right?
Ah, but you see, that is backwards. She had already been deemed “evil”, therefore where she kept her emails must have had a nefarious purpose. Most people have deemed her evil because they’ve been told over and over again that she’s evil.
Have I not made that clear? Pretty sure I’ve called him batshit insane in this very thread. Trump scares me, particularly the notion that he might have launch authority over nuclear weapons. Hillary is morally bankrupt, evil, and widely known to drink the blood of virgins in addition to being completely unreasonable about guns, but she’s not going to nuke some random country for no reason. I just can’t say that about Trump.
Put another way, I can live with Hillary as POTUS. I will not like it, and I might just have to find a religion so I can pray for her early removal from office. I may burn her in effigy. I will probably mock her with great force on these very boards. But I can live with it, and I do not believe that she will cause irreparable harm to our standing in the world. Hopefully she will be a one term POTUS. Maybe even less than that. I’m still hoping for spontaneous combustion for both Hillary and Trump.
Trump…no. Just no. I’m usually a devout cynic, but when it comes to Trump, I sincerely believe my country is too good to elect that man. From me, that’s damn near hippie dippy tree hugging optimism. It doesn’t really suit me.
Cite?
Cite?
… Yeah, I’ll give you that one.