Picking up is hard to do

I almost never have engaged in trying to pick up total strangers (way too shy) but today decided to give it a whirl on an impulse. Getting out of the subway, a lady unlocked her bike from a parking meter, and I said to her, “Excuse me, do you just leave your bike locked up here all day long and no one tries to steal it?”

To my mild surprise, we got into a conversation that included bike-stealing, her recent relocation to a neighborhood further away that she needed to bike to, because she lost her job, so I found out her where she worked, which is a restaurant I’ve eaten in, so we talked about that a little bit, and we exchanged names, and I gave her my card which has my cel phone and email on it, and it was amazingly easy and comfortable to do, talking to a strange and attractive stranger.

Yet it sucked. Immediately afterwards, I reviewed all the things I’d done wrong. I offerred to help her find work in her chosen field (biology) where I don’t really know anyone and now if she calls me it may be because she thinks I’m going to be useful professionally, which I’m really not, and I had chances to compliment her which I ignored (like when she said she doesn’t have any friends here–instead of saying how hard it was to believe that a pretty, charming woman wouldn’t have more friends than she knew what to do with, I just went’ “Umm, yeah, having friends is good for job-searching…” like a total doofus) and mainly what I failed at was communicating that I was attracted to her–I probably could have asked if she’d like to have a cup of coffee with me, or stressed (in a non-creepy way) how much I hope she’d call me very soon or anything that would signal my interest in her.

Seems to me the hard part isn’t really striking up a conversation with a strange woman but it’s having the type of conversation that will lead to something. That’s the part of picking up that always seems difficult to me. It always seems to me that there’s some kind of risk, but there isn’t really–she was a total stranger to me, and if she thought I was creepy or unattractive or if she was married or gay or anything that would be a non-starter, she was perfectly free to say so, or to tell me to fuck off, and I’d have lost nothing. But it always feels so risk-intense for some reason that I rarely do this, and when I do I always think of much better ways I could have behaved.

This I don’t think was a “mistake”. Being complimented will register in her mind as being hit on, especially so early into your relationship with her. I guarantee she’s been complimented by people (guys) she’s talked to for less time than she did with you. Complimenting her looks will remind of all the creeps she’s turned out before.

Save the compliments for when she starts to show interest in you. You have to show some interest too, just without complimenting her looks. Perhaps noticing some item of her clothing, as opposed to her physical attributes.

Dude, being a dork is not a bad thing. If you delivered the above line with a joking attitude, I don’t think it was a “mistake” either.

That’s just me and I am by no means a pimp. Perhaps one will be along shortly. :wink:

I would be interested in hearing how conversations between strangers went that actually resulted in actual contact that led somewhere–a cup of coffee, a future date of some sort (doofus that I was, I also didn’t remember that I own a bike, she obviously owns a bike, there is a park that connects her neighborhood to mine–maybe something involving her, her bike, me, my bike, and the park could have been arranged if I had put this information together while she was still there.) There must be some way I could end these things with something more tangible happening than just leaving her with my card, but damned if I can figure out what that would be, other than my acting like a totally smooth player-dude, which I haven’t mastered in this lifetime. The whole card-thing really isn’t working, and in this instance I can see where the card (with my somewhat impressive job-title) might intimidate a woman currently waiting tables, or at least emphasize stuff we don’t exactly have in common.

You and her were both going about your own business, so I think it would be hard for much to happen. You guys can go cuddle and watch movie this spontaneously. You two weren’t at a club where you could run off and make-out somewhere.

Given the situation, exchanging phone numbers seems like the best you could have hoped for. You did get her number also, right? Right?

No, I did not. If I’d gotten her phone number, I’d have considered that tangible success. It just seemed forward to me to ask. I always hope that when I give them my phone number, they’ll say “And here’s mine.” Most natural thing in the world, right? Never happens. And they never call. (I say “never” like I did this all the time. The five times I’ve tried this in the last ten years, nary a phone call.)

At least you talked to her. I’m still having mixed feelings about holding my tongue yesterday.

Well, you know where she locks up her bike. You can “bump” into her again. Don’t analyze it so much!

Here’s the thing: It generally doesn’t pay to beat around the bush. Women generally make up their minds whether or not they’re interested or not pretty quickly, so if you dick around too much, you’ll miss your window of opportunity.

That’s not to say you whip it out and rub it on her after 5 minutes, but letting her know you’re interested, and telling her you’d like to see her again/get together, and outright asking for her number to make plans will do the trick. At the very least, you’ll know one way or the other if you’re going to go out with her, instead of having this anguish that comes from not closing that particular deal.

Dude, it’s so much better that you didn’t say that. If some guy said that to me, I’d be thinking, "yeah, why don’t I have more friends than I know what to do with? Well, I guess I may seem pretty and charming to someone who talks to me for 5 minutes, but if anybody ever gets to know me a bit, they decide that I’m a real asshole and don’t want anything to do with me. That must be it. :frowning: " In other words, a baloney compliment like that might well backfire, but more likely than that is that she’d be thinking “Oy vey, what a dork! Does he really think I’d fall for a stupid line like that?”

Anyway, don’t worry about communicating that you’re attracted to her. It’s more important to communicate that you’d like to talk with her some more. If it’s too obvious that you want to do the horizontal mambo with her, and she’s not sure she feels the same way, she’ll just avoid any further contact. In other words, by playing it cool, you have a much better overall chance of a second meeting.

Here are 2 scenarios, and the probable results based on how she happens to be feeling.

Scenario A: You simply indicate that you’d like to talk with her some more and ask her to coffee.
–Her feelings: Omigod! Whatta sexy beat! The result: She goes to coffee with you.
–Her feelings: This guy seems interesting! The result: She goes to coffee with you.
–Her feelings: He seems nice. I wonder what I’ll have for dinner…la la la… The result: She’ll probably go to coffee with you if she indeed doesn’t know too many people in the area.
–Her feelings: I wish this guy would go away already. Result: She won’t go to coffee with you.

Scenario B: You make it clear that you want to get into her bike shorts and ask her to coffee.
–Her feelings: Omigod! Whatta sexy beat! The result: She goes to coffee with you.
–Her feelings: This guy seems interesting, but he’s totally hitting on me. I don’t want to lead him on. The result: She probably won’t go to coffee with you unless she’s sorta desperate.
–Her feelings: Well, he seemed nice until he started macking on me. Ew. Whatta creep! The result: No frappuccinos for the red salamander.
–Her feelings: I wish this guy would go away already. Result: She won’t go to coffee with you.

So, you see, you did better not loading on the compliments. You upped the chances considerably that she’ll actually contact you.
As far as the question of how to move things along–I have no earthly clue.

on preview: I don’t disagree with what bump said, even though it might appear so. You definitely should just go ahead and ask for a second meeting. Just don’t be leering at her while you do it or she’ll probably go screaming in the other direction.

To the OP, since I’m not really one for being approached by strange men I don’t think that I can help you. As luck would have it I do know a guy who has it all figured out (so it seems), he goes by prr on another board. If you are interested, let me know and I’ll hook you two guys up.

I always tended to go for the dorky ones. They seemed the most sincere. I didn’t want to get played, so the smooth ones were never my type. I like the ones that bumbled a bit. It’s endearing. Hell, my fiancee and I went to a date, I didn’t feel it so I dated another guy, came back for another date, dated another guy for a month, went on a third date with him… and we’ve been together ever since. He was shy, awkward, a little bumbling… and once I got to know him, I realized he’s wonderful.

Or if you don’t dick around enough. :wink:

He also knows where she works.

Outside of really being able to read people - more than most of us with a problem can hope for, even with learning - the only real solution is trial and error. Mostly error - if you can’t appreciate the difference between a very slim chance of a positive outcome and no chance at all, you’re in the wrong field of endeavor.

My thoughts, too! She definitely left the OP thinking, ‘Huh. Nice guy’ (and perhaps even ‘I wonder if he was hitting on me’ or ‘I wonder why he didn’t hit on me’). If she runs into him again, maybe while she’s out with friends, it’s going to be ‘Hey, I met that guy the other day! Seems cute but odd, let’s say hi’ rather than ‘Oh yeah, that’s the guy who pretended to be interested in my bike but ended up asking me out. Don’t look in his direction.’

All pure speculation, of course. But I, personally, don’t really like being asked for directions or about my dog and having it lead to compliments or being asked out. Makes me not want to converse with strange(r) guys.

ETA: Dorks rule.

Ur doin’ it rite.

ETA: Which is to say, unless you’re ridiculously hot, making friends and then offering up the pork is a much better technique than going in pork-first.

Wait, what?

Chatting up an attractive stranger can commonly lead a dude into turning tricks on the corner for bumps of crystal meth now? I have clearly been out of the scene for too long. :smiley:

Agreed. It’s a good thing you didn’t make with the compliments right away. Nothing is more disappointing than having your thoughts immediately shift from “This is a pleasant conversation” to “Perfect, another douchebag trying to get in the knickers.” Guys, you don’t have to work a woman’s physical attractiveness into every single conversation. Knock it off, already. Plus mentioning how hard it is “to believe that a pretty, charming woman wouldn’t have more friends” is pretty cheesy.

Indeed you have. You should be receiving a private message soon with my contact info. Call me up and I can teach you many a-thing about my independant contracting business. :smiley:

First, great job on chatting.
Even if there was no future relationship, friendliness is great, and overcoming shyness to accomplish something is great.

And nobody’s perfect, ever, so just because you can find something to do better next time doesn’t mean it was a failure.

Now as far as asking her for her phone number goes, you need to take the next step: just like starting the conversation, you need to tell yourself you’re no worse off for having tried, and that it’s not impolite to ask; it’s only impolite to ignore the answer.

Or, put it this way: if don’t want to be upfront about asking her out, because you’re concerned that she’ll feel bad about having to crush your hopes and drive you to the brink of suicide by saying “no”, the solution isn’t to avoid asking, but rather make it clear that saying ‘no’ will not in fact drive you to the brink of suicide. (Hey, you could even say that: “It’s not going to drive me to suicide if you say no or anything, but I’d love to go on a date with you… what do you think?”)

Really, if there is one thing I wish I’d learned sooner, dating-wise, this was it.