Pitting Der_Trihs

[Leaper]

For me, as alluded to above, his certainty that he’ll be murdered in the next five years has kinda tainted his point of view. I often wonder how he lives life and interacts with others IRL because of it.

[Babale]

@Leaper

For me, as alluded to above, his certainty that he’ll be murdered in the next five years has kinda tainted his point of view. I often wonder how he lives life and interacts with others IRL because of it

Don’t forget that he also thinks all women are out to entrap him with false accusations of rape. It seems pretty safe to assume that his misanthropy and paranoia make him miserable overall.

Or maybe he’s just a very long running performance artist and in person he’s actually nothing like this.

[gnoitall]

@Babale

Or maybe he’s just a very long running performance artist and in person he’s actually nothing like this.

We have a more succinct word for that here. A mere five letters.

[Banquet_Bear]

@Left_Hand_of_Dorkness

Look at the quotes above (and read the linked thread if you really want to lose your lunch): TOWP is one of those posters who somehow hasn’t gotten banned for saying things far worse than DT ever has.

…worse things.

@The_Other_Waldo_Pepper

@Banquet_Bear

So, for the sake of clarity: you support atrocities committed by the IDF in response to the attacks on October 7th?

I don’t see how you could possibly need further clarity at this point, but: yes, I support the atrocities committed by the IDF in response to the attacks on October 7th.

[HMS_Irruncible]

You know I’m starting to think we’re pitting the wrong guy here.

[LSLGuy]

If you have a different target in mind, launching a Reply As Linked Topic from this point would not be out of place. I don’t have anyone particular in my sights, so I’m not going to act on that idea.

[Johanna]

I’ll say one thing for him, he has the most clear-eyed and accurate assessment of the war against trans people, its motivations and its schemes. He does not exaggerate one iota when it comes to the ever-increasing dangers facing trans people. He has earned my respect for that.

[Gyrate]

Yes, the war on trans people is one of those topics where his worst-case scenario predictions have turned out to be disturbingly accurate. Unfortunately, the problem isn’t that he’s more clear-eyed on this subject; it’s that reality has managed to be so much worse than the rest of us had hoped.

In the same vein, this:

it’s just that the anti-abortion side only cares about hurting women so all the hand wringing about morality and religion are beside the point to them. They don’t care if they are factually in the wrong or what their religion or the law actually says; they just care that as many women as possible suffer and die.

…is pretty much the same thing I’ve been saying for years too, based on what the right is actually doing in America. So while I agree that DT takes the most extreme Manichean positions on every issue, sometimes the worst case actually happens.

[JackieLikesVariety]

@DSeid

This really is a very good point. Most of the time I just skip his posts in recent years, and because he does the above, that is pretty easy to do. He makes no effort to, nor incites, making a thread be all about him

I love a pit thread where people are pointing out someone’s good points.

@Velocity

I agree with the others that Spice Weasel is pretty much spot-on. Most of the things Der Trihs says have some or a lot of truth to them. It’s just that it’s rather screamed and shrill.

fair.

@scudsucker

Eeyore is one of my favorite characters in “The Wind in the Willows”.

wrong book

@RitterSport

If he says something obviously crazy, just let it go. It’s really easy to argue with the most extreme post in the thread, but engage with the more nuanced posts by less black-and-white posters instead.

I like this a lot, can we do this?

@Spice_Weasel

I guarantee you there are women on this board who have had abortions, the same way there are women who have been sexually assaulted and don’t much feel like talking about it because they don’t want their lives litigated by a bunch of strangers on the Internet.

quoted for truth

@Sylvanz

many women are complicit and quite happy to be ruled by the patriarchy.

well… this might be partly true AND victim blaming.

@Mijin

I tend to agree with @Der_Trihs on most topics. However, when we have disagreed, I’ve found him to be pretty civil

@LSLGuy

as @Spice_Weasel said, he’s proven far more prophetic than any of the rest of us expected.

this is important to keep in mind

@Johanna

’ll say one thing for him, he has the most clear-eyed and accurate assessment of the war against trans people, its motivations and its schemes. He does not exaggerate one iota when it comes to the ever-increasing dangers facing trans people.

@Gyrate

while I agree that DT takes the most extreme Manichean positions on every issue, sometimes the worst case actually happens.

OK, all in all, while I get that DT is seriously messed up thinking every woman is and has always planned to trap him into something while crying rape (I really can’t keep his beliefs totally straight) I do not endorse this pitting.

so I guess we’re done here. where is the thread where I point out I do not remember ever reading anything by Spice Weasel I disagreed with.

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

@JackieLikesVariety

so I guess we’re done here. where is the thread where I point out I do not remember ever reading anything by Spice Weasel I disagreed with.

I’ve disagreed with her–but every time I have, I’ve been left wondering if I’m the one in the wrong. She writes thoughtfully and eloquently in a way that makes me question my position, and I really appreciate that.

[Spice_Weasel]

Jeez, you guys. Thanks.

[JackieLikesVariety]

we just call em as we see em

[Leaper]

I guess I’m alone in thinking that the nuclear apocalypse thing taints the rest of what I read from him, and I’m pretty sure I get that. I do wonder to what extent others agree with the implication (IMO) that the right, even its average adherents, needs to be met with lethal force. Then again, if there was ever a time when the left would be cynical about the other side of the aisle, it’d be now, wouldn’t it?

[bobot]

I don’t recall Der Trihs saying things like that. That the right needs to be met with lethal force.
I’ve always gotten that, paraphrasing, “This is what motivates the right. This is what the right intends to do.”

[wolfpup]

Der_Trihs expresses extreme views in an extreme way, but I disagree with the pitting. As has been pointed out here, his extremist views have often turned out to be prophetic because we live in extremist times.

After the last election, I started the “Compendium of Horrors” thread listing the horrible things that I thought were about to happen once the Orange Doofus was in power. In retrospect, it’s incredible how mild and, frankly, naive my predictions were – the emerging reality is so very, very much worse than anything I could have imagined. So, yeah, Der_Trihs was right about many of those things. The extreme pessimist is indeed an oracle of wisdom when the world around you is truly Orwellian.

[Spice_Weasel]

@Leaper

I do wonder to what extent others agree with the implication (IMO) that the right, even its average adherents, needs to be met with lethal force.

I do not agree with that. Vehemently.

But I’m not sure where he implied that.

[LSLGuy]

I’m pretty sure he has said on multiple occasions that violence is the only thing that can stop them (the Fascist Right).

Which falls just short of asserting that’s what needs to be done soon in our society, or that’s what will inevitably happen soon in our society.

[Leaper]

YMMV, but I find it inherent in assertions like (again) the genocidal nuclear war and the mass execution of non conservative American citizens. He doesn’t leave a lot of room to imagine a solution to these that don’t involve violence.

Then again, he might have given up on any resistance at all.

Again, YMMV.

[kaylasdad99]

@Spice_Weasel

But I’m not sure where he implied that.

Neither am I. At the same time, I note that when you have multiple parties inferring their own…inferences from a statement (or general position), getting them all to agree on what was implied can be a pretty tricky exercise.

[Cervaise]

@LSLGuy

I’m pretty sure he has said on multiple occasions that violence is the only thing that can stop them (the Fascist Right).

And again, he’s not wrong insofar as raw power is the only thing the Right respects. I can’t go along with “lethal” force, but we’d all be a lot better off if we gave ourselves permission to just punch them in the fucking face a whole lot more often.