This is going to sound weird, but I would be so relieved if this guy was a troll. There are actually real people like this, and I used to play D&D, so I’ve met some of them (not a knock on all D&D players, but everyone who’s played knows what I’m saying). Despite his repulsiveness as a person I was seriously starting to feel bad for him.
Yeah, I’m kinda hoping for troll myself. The combination of anger, ineptitude, and obliviousness would be difficult to live with for all concerned.
Either on this thread or in the original LinusK one. He put down some arguments claiming the posters were feminists who took their feminist views from Tumblr. Later on, the same argument was used against him, and he eventually replied back that he does have a bachelor’s degree in history.
Why do I remember stuff like this and not stuff that is actually more pertinent to my job (granted, I also remember a lot of mindless minutia about my job)?
Thank you.
I did see the weird Tumblr exchange, where he said someone had gotten their views there, then he cited to Tumblr.
Now I wonder how many people don’t have a bachelor’s degree in history. 
I don’t.
He also said this:
[QUOTE=Jack of Words]
My actual degree (BSc hons) did include a fatuous lecture about ecofeminism and the claim that environmental damage is all the fault of men, leading to my dissertation, in which a wide variety of sources amply demonstrated that there was little discernable difference* between the behaviours of men in women in regard to environmental conservation & protection, and in their awareness of environmental issues. I got a 2.1 and the annual prize for community involvement.
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Burn the witch! Burn her!
How dissimilar could grunting and sweating really be?
No, I was being cruel. Jack must have addressed me over a dozen times, against my expressed wish. S/he addressed me in the horrible smarmy purply way, to no purpose other than disregarding my wish.
S/he has made it clear that nothing is more important than disrespecting others and disregarding their wishes. S/he didn’t even make a point, s/he just demonstrate a determination to show others disrespect.
Kind of skanky, isn’t it? And now it’s on this board, for all the world to see, for perpetuity.
I leave it to you to decide if I’m a bitch or a dick.
You don’t need one, do you?
You may be thinking of Isla Vista shooter Elliot Rodger, but there have been quite a few MRA types who killed people. The linked article is a few years old and so doesn’t cover Rodger or the recent Lafayette shooter, John Russel Houser.
Elliot Rogers wasn’t an MRA. He subscribed to “pickup artist” related forums, in particular one called “PUAhate” (pick-up artistry hate) because he apparently didn’t find it effective. Those have nothing to do with mens-rights activism.
That doesn’t mean he’s not the person Evil Economist was thinking of.
The pick up artists are related to MRA; they’re both part of the manosphere, and there’s a lot of overlap in membership and activities.
Roosh V is probably the most prominent PUA, and he is also an MRA and anti-feminist, to say the least. I linked to his “proposal to legalize rape” in the GD thread.
So, in the GD thread feminists can “no True Scotsman” away any feminist they don’t personally agree with, but MRAs are responsible for a murderer who isn’t involved in the movement at all because every website men read is apparently in the same “sphere”.
Roosh V’s wikipedia page says nothing about him being an MRA and he in fact says he is against them.
http://www.returnofkings.com/about
[QUOTE=Roosh V]
We are generally against men’s rights and how they portray men as victims in need of state assistance (see: The Men’s Rights Movement Is No Place For Men)
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You’re reading way too much into my post. I read what you said about PUA and added more info. I don’t hold anyone responsible for what anyone else says; that’s LinusK’s bag. Just letting you know there is some overlap in these communities.
He has been identified by others as MRA; if he says no then fine. But consider the reasons why:
Women make up a large portion of MRA’s and not just as quiet supporters or cheerleaders as they should be. Many are among the forefront of the current Men’s Rights Movement. Men On Strike, which is currently the most mainstream literature about the problems facing men today, was written by a woman. Who then went on talk shows and talked about the book… to other women. Two women, gabbing about how the difficulties facing men. Imagine two black people on a talk show discussing how hurtful it is to be called Gook, or Chink, Or Slant Eye. They might have a slight idea but really, they don’t know.
**Any movement which claims to represent myself or other men, with such a pervasive female presence, is one I’m not going to be a part of. **Women have no real idea what it’s like to be a man. We’re genetically different and our lives are lived very, very differently. Yet the MRM’s is flooded with women trying to take the helm, trying to represent ‘men’. And if a movement is being spearheaded by people who can’t even understand the grievance of the people they’re supposed to be representing, how can they be trusted to act in our best interests? The answer is that they can’t. And the fact that the female presence in the MRM – beyond simply agreeing with it or giving moral support – is tolerated by the majority of MRA’s is probably the biggest reason I do not consider myself a part of the movement; even though my goals and desires do match up with many of theirs.
That’s the biggest reason; the other 4 are at the link. Seems like he just hates everyone for one reason or another.
Wait. Roosh is associated with Return of Kings? Well, it’s good to get all the creeps in one place, I guess.
As for the GD thread, I don’t remember saying anyone wasn’t a true feminist, just a feminist I don’t agree with. I know nothing about Elliot Rodger, however, other than what I remember being reported. I didn’t follow the story in the slightest. Is being an MRA something someone would have to declare? If so, and he didn’t, I don’t see any reason to label him that way.
Yep, that’s him. I stand corrected on the MRA connection, though.
LinusK has started a new thread on economics, so our long national nightmare may be over.
The feminists can finally toss him back to the economists, with apologies to all doing double duty.
But all the lovely, moderate feminists here are nothing to do with those feminists suppressing free speech, or spreading rape hoaxes as a form of ‘awareness’, or seeking to eliminate due process before the law for half the population, or those who sent death threats to Erin Pizzey, or set fire to shops they didn’t like, and well, all of those ‘fringe extremists’ who are part of the feminist-o-sphere. And none of them are hypocrits, neither.
He may also be many things - a stamp collector, perhaps, maybe he’s an uncle, maybe he’s a volunteer for the Samaritans, who knows. But whatever else he is, you’re only going to mention those things you want to tar with his actual brush: ‘pick-up artist’. I find them a distasteful breed, but certainly no more so than deluded feminist harpies who think the ‘manosphere’ is out to get them. You wouldn’t be trying to imply that all anti-feminists are all MRAs are all pick-up artists are all misogynists are all subhuman are all only good for the ovens would you now…
Personally, I wouldn’t propose the legalisation of rape, but I wouldn’t propose the criminalisation of speech and ideas either. Was it a convincing argument? Can you sum it up for us? I mean, you read it, right? Was it a Swiftian modest proposal that whooshed over you?