andros
August 17, 2015, 8:01pm
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“My first thought was, he lied in every word…”
Jack_of_Words:
Complacently, or compliantly?
I regard anyone as an extremist if their response to ‘I do not share your ideology’ is to launch a wave of insults, which aren’t even personalised, just stock ‘Anyone who disagrees with us is a heathen. you know heathens, they eat babies’. More so when their unsophisticated sophistry extends to ‘We know your sort, you’re like those other heathens that burn babies’, again, simply for stating clearly that I am not of their faith. We share the same ideals - equality, regardless of gender…except for the extremists, of course, it’s equality for one gender. That kind of abuse of language is extremism. These are people whose adherence to their creed prevents any cognitive dissonance when faced with facts and figures - both being heathen ideas that have no place in their thinking (though they’re not beyond repeating some made-up ‘facts’ and ‘figures’, knowing that checking them is the sign of a heathen and they’re ready to burn your life down (or burn you alive, according to the twitter mob roused by those who want to ban Roosh. Or maybe they want to burn him too)
So yeah, anybody who felt the need to attack in the defence of an idea, that’s an extremist. I don’t think anyone who popped into the feminism thread just to say ‘Well, I always thought it was just about equality for women’ has also been in here for a pop, but I could be wrong. Those you haven’t seen here, they’re maybe moderates - like the churchgoers in the UK, just popping in for Christmas mass and their niece’s christening, trying not to think too hard about the buggery of choirboys. Or in this case, remembering not to say ‘chairman’ and getting confused when holding a door for a woman.
But they’re not really moderate feminists, by and large. Egalitarians, yes possibly, but I doubt any of them are racists, so calling themselves ‘feminists’ is a bit unnecessary. Only racist feminists, or homophobes, or transphobes or classists and so on need the term ‘feminist’. No, there’s another class - those who profit from it. Academia succumbed to the power of the powerless, and some feminists make a fair living peddling their stories. Even less rigorously, speakers and bloggers and con artists like Sarkeesian gull the gullible for their hard-earned. Local authorities and the charitable sector also have an interest in securing the lion’s share of gender-funding. Still, we’re all trying to make a living, fighting for equality by grabbing as much as we can for ourselves…
Look up ‘false dichotomy’, by the way. Some of you are bound to be lieing, but that’s beside the point (and who knows what about?)
You’re incorrect about the feminism that I believe in and practice, and the feminism of most feminists I know. My feminism is about advocating that women and men be treated equally by government and society.
andros
August 17, 2015, 10:40pm
283
While I find this entirely admirable and I love you for it, you went on about 33 words longer than you needed to.
The problem is that feminists like you don’t matter. The “extremists” are the ones that are the most active. They’re the ones that get columns in major newspapers, they’re the ones that have online campaigns that people hear about, and they’re the ones that get policies enacted. Who are we supposed to judge a movement by, if not its most active and well-known members? Does it matter if there is a silent majority of egalitarian feminists?
Oho! Score one for the Jack ! Unless…
Do you know how you had that feeling that you were so confident that you knew that wasn’t a word, and that I couldn’t have been using a word you weren’t familiar with, that you went right ahead and posted the above even though you could have just looked it up , just in case, and nobody would have ever known? Do you know that level of just utter certainty you felt about it?
That’s what they call a “case in point.”
thirdname:
The problem is that feminists like you don’t matter. The “extremists” are the ones that are the most active. They’re the ones that get columns in major newspapers, they’re the ones that have online campaigns that people hear about, and they’re the ones that get policies enacted. Who are we supposed to judge a movement by, if not its most active and well-known members? Does it matter if there is a silent majority of egalitarian feminists?
If by “egalitarian” you mean “people who believe other people should be treated equally by government and by society regardless of race, religion, gender, etc.”, then most prominent feminists that I’m aware of (e.g. Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton, Emma Watson, most Democrats in office in the US, Beyonce and many other entertainment celebs, etc.) are egalitarian feminists.
wonky
August 17, 2015, 11:22pm
287
Jimmy_Chitwood:
Oho! Score one for the Jack ! Unless…
Do you know how you had that feeling that you were so confident that you knew that wasn’t a word, and that I couldn’t have been using a word you weren’t familiar with, that you went right ahead and posted the above even though you could have just looked it up , just in case, and nobody would have ever known? Do you know that level of just utter certainty you felt about it?
That’s what they call a “case in point.”
He’s not very bright, but on the plus side, he’s also oblivious!
wonky
August 18, 2015, 12:41am
289
Jimmy_Chitwood:
Obvious, or olive?
I can think of ways to make both of them make sense!
Miller
August 18, 2015, 12:48am
290
Jack_of_Words:
I regard anyone as an extremist if their response to ‘I do not share your ideology’ is to launch a wave of insults, which aren’t even personalised, just stock ‘Anyone who disagrees with us is a heathen. you know heathens, they eat babies’.
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Only racist feminists, or homophobes, or transphobes or classists and so on need the term ‘feminist’.
Jack of Words : Extremist.
OK, who wasn’t paying him enough attention? You know how he gets.
No, no, we got together and voted to give you custody. You weren’t, uh, here that day.
Emiliana:
No, no, we got together and voted to give you custody. You weren’t, uh, here that day.
This is an example of that unfair bias in custody arrangements, isn’t it? Rather unfair to jsgoddess, in this case.
And NO I am NOT volunteering!
raventhief:
This is an example of that unfair bias in custody arrangements, isn’t it? Rather unfair to jsgoddess, in this case.
And NO I am NOT volunteering!
Oh all right. In the interests of gender equality, we’ll give him to Jimmy Chitwood.
You think it’s unfair to jsgoddess ? What are you, an extremist?
wonky
August 19, 2015, 12:49am
298
Extremism in the pursuit of jsgoddess not having custody is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of jsgoddess having custody is no virtue!
DrDeth
August 19, 2015, 2:54am
299
He knows less about economics than he does about women.
Geez… I, uh, I work a lot of hours, you know?