Please tell me I'm overracting... (relationship advice, TMI)

Okay, this might sound lame, but I didn’t realize up until the point a few weeks ago that that was why I was getting turned down–and I’m still not entirely sure that that’s the reason, per se. I think, and I’m being serious here, that after living together for a while he’d just sort of gotten complacent about the whole thing. After the Long Talk we had about it, things have improved greatly. I don’t think he’s doing “nothing,” and I don’t think it’s an addiction quite like alcoholism. It seems more as though he just didn’t realize that it had gotten quite so out of hand (quiet, you). Having had my POV quite clearly outlined, he’s now making a whole lot of effort to return to equal participation in our sex life.

Again, it was never to the “exclusion of any sort of partner sex” just that the frequency had gradually, and greatly, declined. I hate to sound as though I’m rationalizing, here, but he’s only lied to me about it once.

He isn’t trying to get help because it’s not clear that it’s necessary at this time. He would be embarassed to seek help, I’m sure. I see his behavior more like “I’m drinking too much and I’m going to try and cut down. If this isn’t something we can work out together then we’ll figure out what we need to do from there.”
I realize this entire post sounds like some roll-eye inducing response of the classic enabler, but really, it’s not as bad as your response would indicate. Things were pretty bad, we talked, they’re improving. I just need some support and advice along the way.

Hmm, I wouldn’t guess that to be the case, only because I know that he doesn’t have any sort of stereotypical ideas about gender roles or preconceived notions about what women should or should not be. I mean, I’m not a mind reader and I guess that certainly could be the case, only that it doesn’t strike me as being so. I do think your next comment is probably much closer to the truth:

Not nearly as much as I used to, but that was certainly a learning point for me. Obviously it wasn’t an issue when we only saw each other every couple of months, but once we lived together full time our differences in libido became pretty apparent. We had talked about it pretty extensively and all that, but when it came to actual practice I had to learn to read when he might be interested (and not try to approach him for sex when he’s had a long day or needs to get up early in the morning, or whatever) and not be hurt when he didn’t feel like having sex.

We have discussed this, pretty extensively. I might have posted about it above, but he knows it’s always been an issue for me, and is in no way reflective of his actions. Things are mighty enjoyable, orgasm or no. Um, in breaking news, I might have solved that problem, or at least might be on the way to doing so.

I would assert that any self-gratification which reduces the frequency and/or quality of mutual relations by more than 5% is a significant potential problem. Of course, the two people involved need to define what constitutes quality, but by the nature of your complaint,this would seem to be a problem for your relationship.

There’s a lot of good advice in this thread.

My 2 cents, for what it’s worth:

I don’t think he’s masturbating for sexual gratification, I think he’s masturbating to relieve stress or anxiety. IMHO, if he learned a different method of relieving stress/anxiety, he may be able to curb that behavior- in other words, replace that behavior with another. It’s very possible that he turns down sex with you because he’s just plain spent from masturbating so often.

It wouldn’t hurt to ask him if this may be the case. It’s possible that he could learn another stress relieving behavior, masturbate much less often, and be more ready and able to have sex with you.

We had another long and serious talk last night. I brought up a lot of the things discussed here, and when all was said and done I think we’re both feeling pretty good about the whole situation.

In no particular order:
I asked him about the nature of his masturbation, and talked about the desexualization of the act–according to him, it depends on the situation. Most of the time, it’s a pleasure thing, with fantasies and a pleasurable orgasm, for self-gratification. Some of the time it’s just a compulsive act, with a release but not as much of a sexual act. This is what was happening a few nights ago when he masturbated when I was in the other room. As it turns out, he was working on his presentation-which I can attest to-and the masturbation that happened then was for stress relief. I’m okay with that.
He says that it’s become much less compulsive than when we were apart. Before we lived together, it was more often just a compulsive act, his masturbation for pleasure has stayed about at the same frequency, but the masturbation for stress relief/boredom/killing time/whatever has dropped by about 80%. This makes a lot of sense to me, as before he’d masturbate three or four times a day. Since we’ve been together and, you know, in the same state and all, the frequency has dropped to about once a day, during the couple months we were having problems (more on that later), and since we had the talk a few weeks ago, he’s masturbating a couple times a week. A quick check of his Mozilla history shows this to be true. Is it sneaky/dishonest/whatever of me to check?
I asked him how he felt about this–is he happy with that frequency? Does he feel like he’s struggling to avoid it and like he’s working to control his masturbation, and so on? He said no, that he feels pretty good about it, since it also means we’ve been having sex about five times more often, heh. Also that he’s much happier in the last few weeks because I’ve been much happier, so that while the frequency itself doesn’t make much difference to him one way or the other, it’s making him feel much better because our relationship is good again. As far as the masturbation goes, at this point, it doesn’t feel like something he’s working to control, or something that’s always on his mind (I don’t know if I’m articulating this well, at all). I wanted to make sure he didn’t feel as though he was working to control a behavior and then feeling stressed or resentful or something for doing so. He says he does not, that controlling the behavior is something he’s conscious of, but not something that he feels he’s struggling to overcome, or that’s consuming his thoughts the way you’d imagine a drug addiction to be, or whatever. I’m sure none of that paragraph made much sense. The point is, he’s pretty happy with the frequency of masturbation as it is now, and it’s at a point where it’s not interfering with our mutual sex life.
For a couple of months, things started to get pretty bad–I started to feel as though we were living in the same house but that was about the extent of it. We hardly ever talked to each other, rarely had sex, it was mostly go about our own business and get into bed together at the end of the day, then promptly fall asleep. He agrees with this. We had that first big talk and things improved almost instantly. We have normal, everyday conversations again! And we play with each other and touch each other again, as in everyday kisses and hugs and back scritches and all of that good stuff.
I told him that sometimes, during the dry spell, I felt as though I was constantly asking for sex, and that it might have been a self-reinforcing behavior. I ask for sex constantly, he constantly turns me down because he’s too tired or whatever, which breeds resentment in both of us, leading to less sex. Then I’d feel like I couldn’t stop asking, because then things would die out entirely. He said he’s never felt pressured for sex, only sometimes that he feels bad that he can’t keep up with my libido. Things have drastically improved here, as I said above I’d learned to deal with that a while ago, and things are pretty equal in the instigation department as of the last couple weeks.
On the subject of my (lack of) orgasms, I asked him how he felt about that, and does it bother him? He said he thinks about it sometimes, that he wants to pleasure me and such, but it’s not something that makes him feel inadequate, or performance anxiety or something. And I gotta say, he’s very, very good at being attentive and responsive to what makes me, er, tick. He’s always been very conscious of finding out what works for me in bed, and doing All The Right Things.

I think things are going to be very good. I was feeling pretty good about things before, but then the other night when I thought he’d been completely lying about working on his presentation and was instead jacking off to porn for an hour and a half I felt hugely betrayed and as though he wasn’t trying to stop at all, that he’d just been telling me what I wanted to hear, or whatever. As it turns out, none of that is the case and, as always, I should have just talked to him about it the next day, instead of waiting a week. I really did feel bad about blindsiding him with it that night. At the time I felt like the spouse of a recovering alcoholic, who’s found a bottle of liquor stashed in her husband’s tool box, or something. Had I just brought it up and discussed it with him, he could have talked to me about it right then and there. Instead I smacked him across the face with an accusation, and slept on the couch, which rightfully made him shut down towards me.

Anyway I’m feeling pretty warm and fuzzy about things. I do greatly appreciate all the advice here, thank you.

That sums up quite a bit of it. I missed your post because I’ve been composing the previous one for about an hour, but stress relief is one of the major reasons he masturbates when it’s not for pleasure. The incident the other night which triggered this thread was because he was masturbating for stress relief while working on a major presentation. He’s a grad student.

Honestly, I think that’s good news. If he’s not willing to see a therapist about this (and he may be too embarassed to do so), he may have luck doing some alternate stress relief practices in order to cut down and start using masturbation for pleasure rather then just a pressure release.

I’ve heard excellent reviews of these relaxation CDs:
http://www.mindbodyseries.com/relaxation/

I have a feeling that it’s just a matter of retraining his brain a bit to find another way to release the pressure and start using sex for sexual pleasure rather then stress relief.

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