Pro-Russians in Ukraine demand Jews register or be deported

They’ll have to pay a registration fee as well, and failure to comply will result in confiscation of their property and assets.

Wasn’t Putin and his pro-Russian co-conspirators claiming Kiev was anti-semitic? Pot, meet kettle I guess.

Isn’t Russia also forcibly displacing native Crimean Tartars?

If it’s true I can’t think of an easier way to make the lines clear.

I feel as though we’ve been down this road before. :frowning:

This just gives Putin a chance to be the white knight for eastern Ukrainian Jews by telling those pro-Russians to knock it off. There is no such policy for Jews in Russia (is there?) so why should they have such a policy in the part of Ukraine that wants to join Russia?

What are they, dumb?

Like a fox!

If true, makes me sick.

Well, the Putin-controlled Russian media will probably say it’s really a western-backed fascist false flag operation, and Putin will say it’s for the Jews’ own good/safety/etc.

If true, it makes the lines even less clear, because it looks like both sides may be tainted by anti-semitism now.

But anyway, I am sure that both for most ethnic Russians and ethnic Ukrainians involved in this, what happens with the Jews is pretty much a minor side issue. The fact is that anti-semitism has deep popular roots in the region, and Jews are likely to better off if their region is controlled by a strong central government, whether from Moscow or Kiev*, than if it is controlled by local militia of any (non-Jewish) ethnicity. In this part of the world, Jews get it worst, from both sides, when there is political instability, conflict, and social unrest.

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*That is assuming that the fascistic, Ukrainian nationalist elements do not gain too much control the Kiev government, as may well happen. In that case, Jews are definitely going to better off under the Putin regime in Moscow, which may not be as democratic as we would like, and which may not be free of all taint of anti-semitism, but is relatively stable and has no interest in allowing the rule of law to be undermined by the social unrest attendant on pogroms.

To be fair, when I heard that Russia might need to invade to protect cultural Russians inside Crimea I had that same feeling.

A pro-EU Ukrainian government won’t tolerate anti-semitism, and the new government has been actively and visibly cracking down on its own right wing elements. Putin is actively stoking nationalist fervor and basking in global white Christian conservative homophobic hate so I’m going to give Kiev the benefit of the doubt for now.

Right, it sounds very much like the noises Nazi Germany made immediately before, during, and after the annexation of Sudetenland.

Is there any real evidence that the government in Ukraine is anti-semitic? Other than the Russians repeatedly accusing them of being Nazis? It was already a pretty thin accusation and it’s now become ridiculous.

In the article I linked in the OP, a Jewish resident of Donetsk states she’s never experienced anti-semitism before this. So, Russian claims of Ukrainian anti-semitism would seem to be exaggerated bullshit. When pro-Russians overthrow the local government? Anti-semitism rears its ugly head.

Hillary Clinton’s comment about Putin’s actions resembling Hitler’s doesn’t sound so preposterous now.

CNN seems to be backpedaling a little from initial reports, Yes, there are fliers but it’s not clear who produced them.

A friend of mine posted an article about this on Facebook earlier today – I brushed it off, thinking it was probably from some right-wing conspiracy site. Fuck.

LOL. As if.

My initial gut reaction, not based on any further information and without knowing anything more than this, is that it’s worth taking whatever steps are necessary to protect the Jews living there, up to and including armed intervention by NATO.

Obviously, we need more information, but we cannot stand by and let this happen.

Hey** TokyoBayer**, did you know that if you say orange slowly it sounds like gullible?

Your implication that this is a phony story to gin up Western support for NATO intervention in Ukraine…?

Phony story? Kind of.