Look, I was just pointing out to those claiming that the girl will be horribly embarrassed about the whole thing for the rest of her life that there might be an alternate explanation. Just because you may be embarrassed if it happened to you doesn’t mean everyone would be. I am not defending anyone, just saying that the girl may have found the whole thing funny, which, of course, doesn’t make it right. I don’t even think my possible explanation is the most likely.
Yeah, cause any woman I know LOVES to be raped.
Fucking moron.
No one is talking about rape. We are talking about making out.
Since we like to do this here, I’ll make a minor correction. The story is called “Switch”; it’s in a collection that includes another story called “Bitch”. “Switch” is not misogynist.
Personally, I think Shagnasty has posted a juvenile fantasy. Or, he should be locked up.
You know, based on Dan Savage’s infinite wisdom, you may be right. There do seem to be some odd, unnecessary details like this
And the ‘bait and switch/cuckolding’ fantasy is pretty common, especially in fake ‘Dear Penthouse’-style letters to sex columnists… Could it be wishful thinking all around?
Being as I read Shagnasty’s post right after I read Dan Savage’s opinion on the Dear Abby letter, I assumed maybe it was a bit of wishful thinking. I’m not sure what you’d get out of it, but Dan Savage has said that he gets a lot of clearly fake letters from people who seem to get a rise out of that sort of thing–sending their fantasies in to advice columnists.
Wow. Not in the top hundred!? It may not be rape, but holy schmoley, not even in the top hundred? You must have had some interesting times. I’m torn between wanting to hear about some of the other entries on this list and hoping to sweet God that they are never ever ever told.
One possiblilty,
Ok first, I know many women who have multiple partner fantasies and or force fantasies. They are not sluts, or terribly broken women with low self-esteem or former victims of abuse.
Perhaps she arranged the whole thing. Including telling Shag that she is on her period to keep his hands away from there. She just wanted turn with a different partner. Didn’t want to tell Shag that she desired him. Didn’t want to have anything other than the one-off makeout session.
No matter how similar the build and hair is, you can tell the difference between kissing styles. Unless Shag made out with his male friend to get down his kissing style.
But the men in those fantasies aren’t random either. So it doesn’t fly.
I agree, it sounds like BS. But again, as it stands, there’s no way that Shag knows that’s what happened. So I would hold up culpable.
I just think Shag was played by the couple and not that the boys played one on her.
Hey, at least he didn’t order milk in a bar!
Seriously, now I think I understand why Shagnasty so loudly decries those who breach his numerous, piddling rules of etiquette. The world is full of control freaks who are overcompensating for their own scumminess. As long as he had a lemon slice with whatever non-alcoholic beverage he consumed that night, it’s all good.
Perhaps that was a whooshing sound I just heard overhead but… the quote is not as you have written above, but rather:
Lady Astor: Sir, if you were my husband, I would poison your drink.
Churchill: Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it.
(The quote does appear in slightly different forms – tea, coffee, drink, “Madam” vs. “Nancy”, etc – but the general form remains the same).
It was.
Okay, even if we are to assume that’s true, that these teenagers needed to inject some spice into their sex life (which, again, I find very, very hard to believe), their ‘plan’ depended on finding someone who would have no qualms sexually assaulting a female friend.
Also, according to Shagnasty, she must have been quite good at keeping a secret
Maybe Shagnasty can send you the Word document he copies and pastes them from so you can peruse the whole collection.
Zebra, I get that…I just still think that Shagnasty is extremely slimy even if he was played because he had no way of knowing if the girl was in on it. From his perspective, it was just unconsensual physical activity.
Was that Shagnasty who pitted the girl for ordering milk in the bar? Man, that one was a long time ago.
No, I think you bring up a good point. Lord knows this board has seen me outraged plenty when it comes to sexual matters and men treating women poorly (and yes, vice versa), but I just don’t see it here.
Half of the posters here want to string Shagnasty up by the balls for something that occurred 17 years ago, that he is ashamed of (although I wouldn’t continue posting it as an example of My Stupid Youth), and that he has obviously moved on from. AND I highly doubt that the girl/woman in question is catatonic somewhere, permanently damaged by this incident. The “friend” sounds like a complete dick. Shagnasty acted like a dick. He has admitted that.
I don’t like practical jokes and I don’t find humiliation funny, but 1. this happened so long ago it’s silly to show outrage now and 2. he is not using the story as a “hey, look at my bad self!”.
What is with the mob and the pitchforks? Let’s see some of the posters post their youthful peccadilloes and then we can all point fingers at them and have another circle jerk of shame.
Seventeen, though, I think is old enough to know not to treat women like objects. (Or should be.) Maybe if we were more indignant about guys treating women badly, we wouldn’t have as many creepy incidents of actual rapes and assault. I mean, look at that recent statistic of how much rape/sexual assault is going on in the army now. I think we need to stop with the “Boys will be boys” tautology and actually hold guys accountable for acts of assault.
Oops. I quoted the wrong post by TSquare. I meant this one:
And I just realized that I am arguing against a “guest”. I don’t feed trolls and this feels like I’m on the billy goat’s gruff bridge. Toodles.