Yeah, calling it “vulva” is sort of like referring to the entire penis as the “head” or “tip”. I’m not referring to specific parts of the… erm… apparatus. There are different names for different areas of the penis and nobody gives a flying eff about that. It’s penis and vagina, not penis and external part of the feminine genitals.
Also, just as an aside “vaginas evolving” sounds like the name of every book that has ever been banned by religious groups. Mysterious, blasphemous, sinful, and yet you can’t look away. Also, vaginas.
We are trying to get you to reexamine your premises. At this time you are trying to find a universal reason behind current fashion and personal preference.
A more productive line of inquiry would be “Why does intimate shaving seem to be common at this time among Western women?”
To put it simply, I associate hairiness with masculinity. It makes sense–men as a rule get facial hair and thicker, more visible body hair.
And I’m not the only one. Obviously most people (in our culture) feel this way to some extent, as nearly every woman does something about visible body hair, while only a small portion of men do anything about it. The only reason why it wasn’t done so much in the past is that less body hair was visible.
I mean, it even fits the stereotype that men are okay with being messy, while women prefer things orderly. Removing all hair is the simplest way to make it all behave in an orderly fashion.
I can’t imagine pedophilia having much if any of a part in this. If they were linked, then pedophilia would be more acceptable. Straight guys would have a lot of problems with being attracted to prepubescent girls. They don’t, because clearly other secondary sexual characteristics are more important than body hair.
As for my own preference, I see it as similar to how I don’t find a balding woman as attractive, either. Balding, like body hair, is just something that is associate with men in my mind, and I don’t happen to be attracted to men. (In fact, the rare exceptions all involve guys who have shaved off their facial and body hair.)
Comparing pubic hair with facial hair is flawed. Even without facial hair, people go through enough facial changes that an adult face without hair is not mistaken for a child’s face. No one looks at your average shaven 25 year old male and thinks he must be ten. No one looks at an average 25 year old woman and thinks she must be ten.
“But genitals change too!” No doubt. The difference is that most guys aren’t constantly staring at an array of female genitalia aged 5 and 10 and 12 and 15, etc to have the same frame of reference you have with faces. Even if you’re a father, I assume you stopped regularly seeing those parts of your daughter by the early grade school level, if that. Without the constant presence of subtle changes, the most obvious indicator of puberty (speaking purely of the genitals) in this case is the presence of pubic hair. Shaving it is removing that obvious trait. You can’t say the same for shaving facial hair.
That’s not to delve into the whole “If you like it you’re a pedophile” bit, it just feels like such a lazy and flawed argument to say “But if you shave your beard, it’s the same thing!” It’s not.
If you are regularly getting crabs, the issue is not pubic hair. You do realize that most people go their entire lives without even one episode, right?
And if you can see it without a speculum, it ain’t a vagina. :smack:
The cite to *The Mindy Show *in the OP should have been a red flag. Although I am always happy to read discussions of vulva grooming, I’m not sure what the debate here is. Different people have different preferences; some feel strongly about it, some are less impassioned.
This thread is evidence that the inability to recognize the virtues of using paragraphs is at odds with a cogent OP. Of course the OP’s argument is so poor to begin with, even the wonders of paragraphs are unlikely to help very much. But it would be a start.
I think you have this one backward; women who shave tend to have scratchy pubic areas unless they just shaved.
Rubbing the end of your dong along a 5 o’clock crotch shadow and then against a good normal bush, you’ll probably prefer the bush. One’s a lot like sandpaper, and the other’s… not.
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[/ol]Okay, another round of this one. I’ll try and make it as simple as possible:
Okay
Having a preference.
Choosing a sex partner whose pubes (or lack thereof) conform to your preference.
Asking a sex partner if they would like to conform to your preferences. They may or may not agree. You may or may not want to sleep with them regardless.
Not okay:
Calling someone a paedophile or a traitor to the feminist cause because of their preferences.
Calling someone dirty, unhygienic or rude because of their preferences.
Implying that a complete stranger’s sex life is impaired because they like things differently from you.
Or, in short, it is about preferences which need to be negotiated between the two or more people wishing to get near each others’ genital areas and otherwise it’s none of your fucking business.
Well, I don’t want to be a BIC, but unshaven is not an indicator of Braun. If Gillette people be themselves, you’ll be on the right Trac and avoid conFusion. You’ll never Mach a mistake and you’ll find Venus Embrace a Breeze. Good News, huh?
It isn’t that everyone must think that pubic hairs are often unsightly and masculine, messy and dirty, but it is possible, even reasonable to see it this way in a culture where women typically shun body hair.
It isn’t that regrowth might not be more scratchy, it’s that natural or trimmed is still more scratchy than smooth.
Every point I made was not meant as universal as people have taken it.
I was not speaking against people who like a full bush.
I was just arguing that there are plenty of reasons others might have for preference of a baled crouch.
Some people eat hair, so some people might like having hair in their mouth.
And some people might be so skilled at oral sex to never get a hair in their mouth.
But plenty of people don’t like hair in their mouth and yet fail to avoid it with a hairy crotch.
It might do me good to reread my first post to try and figure out what is acting as bait to people who like to make silly arguments.
I was not trying to make it sound like people must like shaven or that there aren’t going to be reasons to prefer a natural appearance.
BTW on the subject of body hair and women, I will say this…
During sex ed the teacher said that some people might not have much if any body hair and pointed me out, I sat there confused and then he corrected himself on noticing that it was merely that my body hair is light blond and not so obvious.
Now if a woman had blonde body hair and didn’t shave it, I would not find that to be so unattractive.
But if a woman had the same degree of body hair that was black, I would find that more masculine.
There is something masculine about body hair, but also about dark hair.
I think that is why the classic line of woman wanting someone tall, dark and handsome.
Blonde hair looks extra feminine which is why it has classically been a bit more popular for women, and a bit less masculine for men.
And I say this as a mostly blond guy.