Even after it is refuted over and over- you just keep hitting submit.
The Rev was a Jerk. He was a Jerk to people who didn’t know him, a Jerk to those who disagreed with him, hell he was a jerk to those who tried to help him. He wanted attention and a glorious banning. He got it.
You cared so much about his issue that you waited until after he was banned to act. Right, at best, it sounds like Monday Morning Quarterbacking to me.
To the small Rev cult-- you can put down the Kool Aid now. Unless this is just another case of petty grudges against some of the Mods being played out in the first thread which is handy- then carry on.
No prob. I just mentioned your start on the boards because of the circumstances (coming in from another board’s argument, at issue with an SDMB regular, vehemently defending your position, staying primarily in the Pit, etc.). I think it’s an excellent example, because you were able to do what Sauron suggested RM to do - step back, diversify your posts, ignore the Pit for a while. It worked, and not because you “conformed to the SDMB” or changed your views.
No, if we wanted to stay (and that’s a big if) he should have contributed in a constructive fashion to the other forums, as was suggested to him by the administration of this board, rather than just trolling in this forum.
Just the other day I told my kid that it sounded like her teacher was wrong, but she was the teacher and got to decide how to run her class.
And I recall my FIL saying, “The boss may not always be right, but he is always the boss.”
Or in my rugby days, the acknowledgement that the sole ref could not see everything, and that missed or incorrect calls were a part of the game and not to be questioned.
I am not certain what type of anarchic relationships folk might desire where there are no rules and no acknowledged means for enforcement. If someone doesn’t like what goes on these boards, they are certainly free to seek out other options. Personally, I do not spend any time on unmoderated boards, or where the moderation is not as transparent as here.
The SDMB certainly doesn’t aspire to be - nor could it possibly be - all things to all people. Tho I may not always agree with the mods’, I am glad there is someone doing the work of deciding when someone crosses the line into jerkhood. I guess that’s why they get paid the big bucks!
And because I see personal benefit to remaining on these boards, I am willing to try to comport with their non-onerous rules.
Maybe there should be a more explicit disclaimer - that this is a strictly moderated board, and the moderators have complete authority to ban folk for whatever reason they see fit. I could live with that, if folk would consider it an improvement.
And by ‘threads,’ do you mean the one thread that was devoted to him, or the multiple other threads that he derailed such that no discussion in them was possible on any topic other than what a dickhead he was, plus the one he started about himself?
Wouldn’t it be sort of silly to hijack a couple threads with indiscriminate flaming, start one about yourself complaining that you’ve unjustly been victimized by the rabid crew of egomaniacal posters that make up the membership here, and then ‘ignore’ those threads?
Don’t misconstrue criticism of certain behaviors and actions taken by a few, and in the absence of comments to the contrary, is seemingly supported by the administration as a whole, as condemnation and contempt towards the greater good that I see.
Because by doing so, you’re being insincere at best, and at worst, misrepresenting my overall objectives here entirely.
I don’t have much troubles with the regular here. So I guess not all moderators pick on people with few post counts. And seriously, the only difficult thing as a newbie is to decide which forum to post in. Everything else works out as much as I expect of a forum. “Be civil and others will be civil to you” works much of the time.
7:30–Breakfast with Tiffany from Anarcho-Communist Lobby
8:30–Staff Meeting Re: The French Impasse/impact on the whine and cheese supply chain
9:30–Get jackboots shined
10:00–Price riding crops
10:15–“Healthy Break” Bring yoga mat
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1:00–Drafting Committee meets to FINISH second draft of article on The Insider’s Guide to National Socialism in the 21st Century
3:00–Check political threads re: support for Trilateral Commission
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5:00–Interview thug candidate
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I see the “me too posts” have begun in my absence. Ah, the smell of sycophancy in the morning.
I see, similarly, that the strawmen have begun to spring up from the less talented members of our little community. I never said there was a Clique, a Society, an Illuminati, a Gnomes of Dope, a Kallistae of Chicago. I think the notion of an organized, agenda-pushing Panel is ridiculous. So, is there a Clique? Of course not.
My argument stands. In at least two recent cases, moderators have made poor, unfair decisions about the bannings of potentially very valuable posters. In this case, Reverend Myerku was hammered repeatedly and first for an espoused position which was unpopular. He reacted by lashing out, having more than likely already decided that this board was a lost cause. Given his treatment, I don’t blame him a bit.
The supposed Good Samaritans were interpreted as condescending pricks, which is only natural, given that in the cases I saw, Sauron’s attempt boiled down to advocating the abandonment of a strongly held belief. I wouldn’t have backed down either, and kabbes insultingly patronizing dig smacked to me of changing his mind and deciding to run with the pack after all.
So let’s try to address my actual arguments, instead of lumpishly dismissing me as a Clique Conspiracy Kook, hmmm? In short, children, do try to keep up.
It astounds me how people can see an insult as anything other than an insult. What you did, kabbes, was act like a big ol’ experienced man-o-the-world patting a widdle child on the head. Myerku has obviously been around the Net for a long while, and is quite intelligent and well-read. Hell yes, a patronizing quip is unacceptable, or would be were I in his shoes.
Sure. After he’d been roundly roasted as a poor excuse for a human being.
Sure do, sweetheart, and I will until somebody explains to me how the progression went any way but this:
<expression of opinion>
<flames ensue, including childishly over-the-top insults>
<returns flames, refuses to back down>
<flames continue until banning>
And? I’m not allowed to be made angry after the fact, when I believe something was done unfairly?
They left out the part where it says, “You as a poster have the right to call bullshit on it. Not that it’ll do any good, but feel free.”
Have you not been reading my posts in this thread? I think you skipped a couple of points there. Yes, he posted an unpopular opinion and was flamed for and he may have been the butt of childish insults; I have not read the Pat Robertson thread. His sole defense alternated between “I know you are but what am I?” & crying “Troll!” Didn’t he mention somewhere that he’s a college graduate? Too bad they didn’t teach him how to act like an adult.
I want this explained. Either you are saying you can read Reverend Mykeru’s mind, or you’re calling me a condescending prick. Which is it?
I want you to point out to me exactly where I advocated that the reverend should abandon a strongly held belief of his. I recommended that he walk away from the “when will I be banned” thread that he started. How is that advocating his abandonment of a strongly held belief?
I argued with the reverend over his conduct in the “cost of running the SDMB” thread. After thinking about it, I realized I could have been wrong in my interpretation of his behavior, and said so in the “when will I be banned” thread. He accepted that apology. At that point, I tried to get him to realize that his career here was in jeopardy, and suggested he chill out.
I think you’re reading more into that than was there.
Hmm. On his website, he mentioned that he was having some unpleasant symptoms he thought might be side effects from the Prozac he had begun to take after experiencing anxiety attacks.
“sweetheart” ah shucks, you’re too kind. :: blushes ::
Enough sweet talk though. I am married- don’t want to get in trouble with the Mrs.
Alas, I disagree strongly with the rest of your post. Its kind of silly in a way, that we keep going around in circles. What is the point of this? You are not going to listen to anyone else nor change your mind no matter how much evidence is presented. So what exactly are we doing here?
KAW KAW- off to pick at a few newbie carcasses.
Sure. I’ll be happy to. I am saying neither of the things you purport that I’m saying. I do not claim to read Mykeru’s mind. I merely state my interpretation of the events, and my likely reactions had the events involved me. That Mykeru’s reaction seem to parallel what I might have done in his place merely suggest that I perhaps understand where he was coming from.
As for the second part, you apparently missed the “were interpreted as” part. Again, I merely state what I believe happened…from his embattled position, after he’d been roundly used as the butt of the most childish insults and newbie-bashing, he apparently gave up on the board and decided to go out with a bang. Seems natural enough to me. This, however, should not be interpreted as a failure on his part, IMO. Poke even the gentlest bear enough times with a sharp stick, and he will eventually round on you. Whose fault is it when he does?
At that point, he had been attacked so many times I doubt he cared much.
That’s your prerogative. I am only interpreting events as I understand them.
Jeff Olsen
Without a shred of insult intended, let me suggest that perhaps you should. To claim that HE was acting like a child is to ignore the ridiculously over-the-top vitriol he was subjected to in that thread. “shit-sucking, maggot-infested, used tampon-licking, corpse-fucking pustule on the underbelly of a leprous babylonian hyena?” Constructive Discourse? Uh huh.
I hope you don’t mind that I just take your word for it. I’ve had enough of reading threads in which he participated. Can we also agree that Rev. decided to be childish in return?
I’ll say again, since it doesn’t seem to have entered into Ogre’s list of defenses–he took the flaming where it wasn’t warranted.
I can totally understand that he’d want to stand up to the flaming and give back as good as he got. That’s pretty damn admirable, that he refused to be chased away.
But rather than confine the flaming and vitriol to the threads concerned, he hijacked–or attempted to hijack–completely random threads with condemnations of the SDMB. He let the flamers get to him, and didn’t try to take the high road and prove his contributive potential. As a well-traveled, experienced forum warrior, he should have known better. If he had thrown back every insult given to him in the Robertson threads and his Pit threads, but maintained a steady course of non-inflammatory posting in other forums or even still in the Pit, I would like to think that most of the posters would have realized that he wasn’t a troller, just proud, and would have relented.
The very first post I ever saw from him was in a mod-bashing thread when he had something like less than 10 posts, attributing his experience with the Darwin Awards board moderators to the moderators on the SDMB, and already beginning with the insults based on that. Not really a great way to start off, wouldn’t you say? It seems fairly obvious that he came to the board with the expectation that everyone would kowtow to him, given his long experience with other forums.
That’s my view on it, which is probably just as valid as yours, Ogre, being that neither of us got personally involved.