So it’s your interpretation that I was a condescending prick. I see.
So you can read Reverend Mykeru’s mind.
Seriously, Ogre. I made this point before, and it was waved away. You seem awfully upset for someone who did absolutely nothing to try to help Reverend Mykeru while he was here. I guess you didn’t want to be lumped in with us condescending pricks, huh?
I give up. Interpret it as you will. He was banned, and he justified his own banning, in my opinion. If this board is so hostile to newbies, as you and others seem to claim, I fail to see how roughly 20,000 have managed to join within the past two years without being banned themselves, super_head’s justifications notwithstanding.
Generally I would recommend that people not post when they have been drinking, but in your case, I would make an exception.
Which leads necessarily to the next questions -
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[li]What exactly were you drinking[/li][li]Is it available in my area[/li][li]How much would be the correct dosage (keeping in mind that I would double whatever you recommend, just to be on the safe side) [/li][li]‘thusoply’?[/li][/ul]
Regards,
Shodan
I definitely do not agree with this point. I don’t think he expected people to kowtow to him, I think he expected to be treated with some measure of equality as an intelligent human being. I don’t see that as unreasonable at all. I also think he knew that his opinion was unpopular, but expected people to address the argument. While this was certainly done by some people, for a lot of others, it quickly degenerated into “fucking moron,” “dickhead,” “ass-sucking blah blah,” etc. Well, it’s the Pit, right? Sure. And he shot back.
Also, I just pulled up a search on all of Myerku’s posts, listed in order that they were made, and it appears that he only “hijacked” threads (I actually disagree with the characterization here…there seems to be an assumption that he was brand new to the boards and that he’d never read them before…he could have lurked.) after the Pitizens declared open season on him. Again. Natural reaction to having been bushwhacked.
No, and furthermore, you appear to be intentionally misreading my posts, since I have carefully explained my meaning to you twice. However, if you are determined to take offense, be my guest.
Nope. But I can put myself in his place. It’s known as “empathy.”
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What do you care about why it made me angry? It made me angry because it was an unfairly applied standard, and it was egregious newbie-bashing. After all, in the Pat Robertson thread, Esprix said the same thing Myerku did…that while he wouldn’t characterize it as “glee,” he wasn’t overcome with remorse that Robertson had cancer. Was Esprix flamed? Nope.
And plenty, in my opinion, have joined that were run out on a rail.
Ogre, what are you looking to get out of this thread? You don’t appear to be arguing that the actual event of his banning wasn’t warranted. You appear (please correct me if I’m wrong) to be arguing that whoever the ‘Pitizens’ are should blame themselves for the loss of somebody that you think could have been an asset to the board.
You’re saying that everything he did that has been argued was wrong was a natural and understandable reaction to the way he was treated, right? And that all the counter-examples that have been given where he overreacted in wildly abusive ways to people that actually were offering constructive advice were justifiable responses because he was already too far gone (having been ‘poked’ beyond the grasp of reason) to appreciate it?
So, I don’t get it. You’re not knocking the administration for banning him, which is what these threads are usually about. Are you expecting to change the minds of the people he abused as to his value to our community such that they apologize for doing what you say amounts to driving him away?
If that is your goal, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
And again, I would dearly like to see somebody explain to me how “I’m sorry he only has one prostate to get cancer” is in any way similar to characterizing yourself as ‘not overcome with remorse.’ Please.
After reviewing the order of posts again, it’s quite evident that the statement you quoted was an example of him “digging in,” after having come under fire.
at the risk of being labeled by Ogre as a syncophant/vulture or whatever, allow me to point out something -
nearly all (see, not all) of his posts were in the Pit. and your gripe seems to boil down to “people weren’t nice to this newbie who posted in the Pit”.
If some one had jumped down his throat in MPSIMS, IMHO, etc, I think the case would be made, hands down.
However, the forum description for the pit kinda puts it right out there, doesn’t it? The fact that not every single post in here is a slam of epic proportions doesn’t negate the fact that routinely people flame the shit out of each other here. And yes, you’re right what an established poster can get away with sometimes exceeds what a newbit is able to slide by.
Certainly, from what I saw, he was web savvy enough to have read the forum descriptions (regardless of the whole forum/message board bs).
and yes, he gave back just as fast and furious. Somehow the image of him sitting back worried that folks here were mean to him doesn’t scan well to me, YMMV.
yep, folks were rude to him. He selected the one forum on this message board where it was the least likely for people to get all warm and cozy right away.
Could folks have been nicer to him? sure, no doubt. Could he have handled it better himself? sure, no doubt.
But I’m very skeptical that he didn’t have any idea what kind of thing would go on in this forum - he didn’t strike me in the least bit as naive. So forgive me if I fail to see that you’ve made a case for him being surprised at people’s reactions.
Hmmm…actually, that was only part of my point. The rest was that he flamed in the Pit…so? He posted a lot in the Pit…so? He posted grouchy things to other fora…so? As far as I’m aware, he didn’t actually break the rules of any of the fora, (unless you count that oh-so-nebulous cop-out flexible “don’t be a jerk” clause, which frankly, can and has been interpreted to mean almost anything) and that means he shouldn’t have been banned.
After all, why is it less jerkish to call someone a “fucking moron” with no provocation than to post a justifiable(and well-cited,at that) opinion in the Pit? Why do people think a new poster has no right to comment on the moderation of the boards? Are they somehow aware of how long he might have been lurking? He even explained why he was in the Pit. Why is it so bad that he liked to post here? Why is it mandatory that your Pit post count be below some certain threshold, or you risk the big “B” word? What about those posters (and several of them showed up in the threads in question) who have thousands of posts in all fora, but enjoy coming to the Pit for the sole reason of hurling carefully crafted insults? Why is that not jerkish?
Uh-huh. So some people who disagreed with his opinion in the PR thread got nasty and flamed him. And after that he just pre-emptively flamed anyone who expressed a contrary opinion whether they had been antagonistic towards him or not, which virtually guaranteed that they would be antagonistic from that point onward. And that’s somehow okay?
Ogre didn’t say he ‘couldn’t’ or ‘shouldn’t’ post in the pit, regardless of post count.
I just really really don’t get the point of complaining that ‘people weren’t nice to him’ when it was the Pit. he got attacked for posts in the pit. go figure. He gave as good as he got, I didn’t get any sense from him of ‘oh, how I wish they’d have been nice to me…’
you keep on talking about ‘by then, he’d been attacked so much’ etc. and I keep thinking, ‘so?’ Why is anyone surprised? '.
Certainly some one who was as apparently net savvy as he seemed to be, etc, shouldn’t be cowering back feeling all threatened etc. so that he has to lash out etc etc etc.
I got the impression that he rather enjoyed that type of interaction, certainly didn’t get the impression he had hurt feelings over it. YMMV. I will agree that not every post in the pit is a throat tearing, but you certainly should be able to acknowledge that it ain’t uncommon at all. Christ - look at the **Joe/Jersey/vs. gobear, Guin etc. ** threads - some absolutely nasty shit said to/at each other. and they’re all still here. Why? cause, at the very least, that’s not the only thing they do here, or even the most prominate thing. and they all tend to listen to mod admonishments when/if given.
In any event, had another poster posted the “Countdown to banning” thread, I’d not have joined in at all. However, when he himself did, I posted (AFAIK) my only comment to him, something about self fufilling prophecies. which it indeed was.
