Super Gnat
Huh? Holy shit…how did that happen? Fucking Macromedia. grumble
Ah, there we go. The controversy you desire to court. Accusing me of stupidity—how puerile. Surely such a highly educated sort such as yourself can surpass banality. Disingenuous and devious? I can admit to that. If simply making known one’s words is either of those.
And I note that you didn’t exactly deny either of the options I’ve given you; you merely presented a third, and unlikely, option. I say unlikely, on the reasoning that if those are the best words on this subject you have from pexxa to prove that s/he’s a “hopeless troll and courter of controversy, conspiracy and significance,” they’re not very persuasive. In fact, I could accuse you in turn of being his/her foil. I remain unconvinced, not that you care. As for your claims of Swiftian satire, if this is an example, I find it sadly lacking. Making poor “humor” over the tragic deaths of teenagers is in extremely poor taste. The holder of a degree in philosphy I would think would be more attuned to this than the average person and would refrain from such inflammatory “satire.” Unless that was his goal—to incite controversy.
But I don’t intend to get dragged into this dispute any further. I simply want the SDMB members to have more than what you’ve posted here to judge you by. Declarations made in defense of oneself are generally rife with self-justifying rationalizations. But as the holder of a degree in philosophy, you’re well aware of that, I’m sure.
I’m not entirely sure why you choose to attack me anyway; my initial post here was pretty neutral. Or maybe I do know why you would do such a thing—to court controversy.
This is, I think, the third post of yours today that is a sideways slap at David B. If you wished to continue to give hiim hell, why did you request your thread closed? I suppose you’re free to start another . . .
And the bullshit pile-on continues: Reading obvious satire and getting “whooshed.” Well, I’m not immune to such stupidity myself at times, but shit!, can’t you read for context UncleBeer? Poor taste, maybe, YMMV, but I don’t think anything funny is going to please everyone, nor should it.
And, Rev, I’ll gladly join your church. For free, being a freethinker and all.
I am saddened that this thread was rejuvenated accidentally by a post that was meant for another thread. Reverend Mykeru, I’m sure, is not.
To anyone still upset about:
- The Rev being called a sock puppet. The initial “barrage” of accusations was largely rescinded and apologized for.
- Accusations that he’s not who he says he is. Write a love letter to Jeff Olsen and stop making wild statements about the character of this board.
- This thread’s existence.
Look. 1 and 2 are hysterical byproducts of the reason this thread was started. I can’t speak for that, but again I wish people wouldn’t view the whole board by the opinions of a few posters.
As Henry Spencer noted, this thread grew out of another Pit thread, one not dedicated to flaming people or starting controversial arguments. Reverend Mykeru stormed in and expressed an opinion for which he was already being roundly criticized elsewhere, hijacking a very worthwhile thread.
What do we do when somebody hijacks a thread with an argument that we want to dispute? We take it to the Pit. Have I blazed any new territory here?
Could I possibly have been any more clear about my feelings about the Rev. that led to me starting this thread? As of the ninth post in this idiot thread (my first after the OP) I restated my goals for starting it, which I continued to do in every one of my subsequent posts to this thread.
Seriously. All of you hopping on the reverse-pileon-bandwagon, have you read this thread? You like the way he debates? Was I the only one that noticed how, every time he was challenged on any point in the first 45 posts in this thread, he came back to arguing that Pat Robertson was responsible for untold pain and suffering? That’s supposed to be a legitimate tactic of argumentation? Are you fucking kidding me?
-Originally posted by RM
Sorry to intrude on this Christian Coalition circle-jerk, but…
Interesting board. Because I am not particularly sorry that Pat Robertson has cancer, considering the hateful things he has said and the grotesque scamming of the old and the sick he engages in, I am charged with “advocating cancer” in Pat Robertson.
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Now, a poster starts a thread with no other purpose than ad hominem?
And what’s even more fun is that White Lightning can’t even get it straight.
Oh well…Let’s feed the trolls.
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-Originally posted by WL
‘Christian Coalition circle-jerk’ my fucking foot. Ad hominem. Feed the trolls. You fucking jackass.
The fact that your reasoning is idiotic makes me a Christian? Kiss my ass. This thread wasn’t started to make ad hominems, it was started to give you a place to put your stupidity so that you wouldn’t keep fucking up other people’s threads.
-Originally posted by RM
And, you know, I’m still not sorry Pat Robertson has a malignant gland. And that’s the trouble, isn’t it?
-Originally posted by WL
No. If you want to know what the trouble is, read the OP.
-Originally posted by RM
I have. When someone says that whatever said is trumped by their granny/mother/cat having cancer, I empathize, but it’s not an argument.
And it has nothing to do with the fact that Pat Robertson is a scumbag that deserves prolonged suffering at the hands of his merciless God.
-Originally posted by WL
What exactly does that have to do with? Because you won’t fucking shut up about it, will you?
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Back on topic. You’re at it again, Reverend – hijacking this thread, which has an even more narrowly defined topic than the last one you did it to, to shit all over about what an asshole Pat Robertson is. Yes, we know. We know you don’t like him. We know he’s a scam artist. We know he’s not a good Christian. We know he causes untold pain and suffering by conning people into thinking he’ll cure them. We know he’s a hypocrite who won’t take his own medicine. We’ve seen the link to your site. We’ve seen the links to the books. We know you have no sympathy for him.
Nobody but you is arguing this point. You’re having a phantom argument with phantom posters and it looks like you’re trying to hide behind it because every time you’re challenged you resort to yanking it back out again.
Jumping in here and accusing anyone saying that a human being is deserving of sympathy regardless of his personal character is a kneejerking right-winger is just ludicrous. Asserting that iampunha is a Robertson supporter because he thinks that you are a moron is atrocious logic.
That is what we are doing here. We are telling you that you are a shitty debater and a shitty person. Based on the evidence shown today on this board, that is the only reasonable conclusion. That is what this thread is about. It’s not about whether or not Pat Robertson is a piece of shit. It’s about the fact that some people do believe in sympathy for humankind, for Robertson and for his family, and the fact that you can’t accept that as a valid point of view.
-Originally posted by RM
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-Originally posted by WL
No, kambuckta, RM’s disgust at Robertson is not misplaced. Again, I singled RM out for this “hate-fest” because he’ s a shitty debater and has shown himself to be a shitty person. He’s guilty of many of the same things he holds Robertson up to such contempt for. And because he refused to stop hijacking mhendo’s thread that I linked to in the OP.
And what iampunha said. He evinces a gleeful attitude at the prospect of innocent peoples’ suffering. This, in my opinion, is deserving of scorn, though not of suffering to other innocents. Here’s where RM and I part ways. Robertson causes pain and suffering to innocents, so RM hates and scorns him, wishing pain and suffering on him and his innocent kin; this behavior in RM I hate and scorn, but I decline to wish suffering on RM and his innocent kin.
-Originally posted by RM
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This outpouring of support for this clown is a fucking joke. At least pretend to have read the first half of the thread. It would also help if any of you had read the thread that I linked to in the OP which was explicitly stated to be the reason that this thread was started. Christ. Pay some fucking attention.
And here he is again, jumping back in with both guns blazing, ready to take on all comers with his sophistry and practiced disingenuousness. And if there’s one thing we do have here at the SDMB it’s takers. Takers we’ve got in abundance. I have no doubt that Reverend Mykeru will find as much material for his web site as he could possibly want, which he did come right out and say was his goal in posting here. I also have no doubt that he’ll push and pull, twist and turn that material any way he desires so that the piece he’s boasting about his plans to post on his site makes us come off looking however he wants us all to look (note the bald lies he’s already posted in the ‘Public Notice’ he linked to earlier).
The more I review this crap, the dumber it gets. He hijacked mhendo’s thread (yes you did, you liar. I wasn’t talking about the moronic Godwin’s Law discussion, I was talking about how mhendo’s OP was about using personal experience as a trump card in an argument, and about how you couldn’t fucking wait to jump in with “I’m only sorry he has only one prostate to get cancer” (and don’t spout any more shit about how that’s a misrepresentation, you liar. You said it.). I know that was discussed to death in that thread, by the way. That’s why I started this thead. Want me to say it AGAIN?) with some deliberately offensive BS, I start a thread to drag it out of that thread, and he calls me a troll? And then I have to read about how all of you are starting to like him? Jesus. Yeah. He’s intelligent, articulate, bitingly funny, and snowing you all. Congratulations.
I forgot the most important part: kabbes, I thank you sincerely.
When dumbfucks attribute views you do not hold, you must assume they are too fucking stupid to have read what you actually said- thus you restate your opinion.
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That is a bald faced lie, and you can not possibly believe it yourself. Read the motherfucking thread title asswipe!
Fuck the fuck off you worthless cuntstain, god damn this place makes me sick sometimes. You are a fucking liar, and you know it.
What the fuck is your major malfunction, anyway. You claim Mykeru is just a big old meany, and yet you are the one being rude. What the fuck?? Is this Bizarro world all of a sudden?
UncleBeer
I courted nothing. It was you who dug up a post from a year ago on the CSB and presented it as straight opinion with this false dicotomy:
You can’t blame me for a controversy that you literally created.
Accusing? Hardly. And presenting something that is obviously pure sarcasm under your bifurcation is far more childish or, perhaps, you think others are so childish that they will fall for something as artless as that ploy.
Again, presenting an obviously sarcastic post like that as you did tells me that you have forgotten more about being banal, trite and predicatable than I can ever know.
Again, presenting that post under your “controversial/morally reprehensible” rubric makes you look like someone who is either a blockhead or assumes everyone else is.
I didn’t? My, you really are a literalist, or at least you are playing one on the SDMB. I said:
The last sentence especially gives the subtext of the post and in doing so discounts your explanation.
Well, thank you so much for telling me what I think. I’m sure if you were there you would have crafted a much more witty and subtle post for the ages but, alas, a year later your window of opportunity is gone. Then again, the thread might still be open. Knock yourself out.
Yes, you could. So?
No, of course I do. Your insight so far has me hanging on your every word.
I know. I aim for the moon and land on the roof. Of course, often I am rushed and don’t have the time to create virtuoso posts such as yours.
That’s only because Swift beat me to the more tasteful subject of solving the Irish Question by eating babies.
I know, and every night before I go to sleep I curse Swift for beating me to the eating babies thing.
Actually, if you know anything about A Modest Proposal, and I have no reason to think you do, he was responding to a controversy that already existed. You know, the whole Irish thing. Swift didn’t instigate that. I think.
If I may suggest: Maybe you are better served arriving at that intention before you scour forums for something to slander me with and then follow up with a couple posts. Otherwise it give the appearance that you are attempting a hit and run.
I do understand your desire to extract yourself from a situation that makes you look like not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Oh they can. Thank you for providing the link. They can read the posts and make up their minds whether your theory, that I was inciting or actually hold those views is correct, or believe me, the person who wrote it, that my intention was a satirize the previous poster who, incidentally, I know far better than you.
As opposed to what? Justifying someone else? Since you brought up that post and offered a wonderfully bifurcated explanation for it that put me in the position of self justification. Damned if I do, damned if I don’t.
However, I don’t think I have to justify much, as your take on this is so transparently stupid as to hardly merit justification.
Aware of what? That declarations in self defense are self-justifying? That’s hardly a philosophical statement, except as giving a fine example of a tautology.
However Philosophy did teach me about the fallacy of bifurcation, also known as “false dicotomy” which your initial post relies on. You did it very artlessly, but if you really apply yourself I am sure you can pull it off in a less transparent manner sometime in the future.
Well, I’m sure it had nothing to do with your dredging up a year old post written to tweak another poster which you then presented devoid of context and then a priori dismissed any explanation for it.
Incidentally: The artless thing. You have to work on that.
Yes. I tricked you. I clouded your mind and made you dig up an old post off another board. All to court controversy. You are my tool. You are in my power. Now go outside and check your tire pressure.
If no one else mentioned it, there was already a Great Debate that is related:
I found it quite informative.
Esprix
White Lightning
Yes, you are right. I am the only person that posted anything not directly associated with the OP. In the THREE pages of posts before I posted absolutely no one deviated one iota from the OP and then, with my first post it all spun out of control. Up until that point everyone was keyed on the OP of using personal experience as a trump card in an argument like fucking diamond cutter and it was only me, and me alone, that caused deviation from the OP. Prior to that there was no discussion of the rightness or wrongness of having “glee” over Robertson’s inflamed, bagel-sized prostate or any side discussion over who did or did not want others exterminated like bacteria.
White Lightning, you silly twat.
grendel72, you can definitely blow me. Read the thread title? I wrote the thread title. You want to know what this thread is about, read my fucking posts.
AGAIN I say it. AGAIN. I feel this strange, backwards kinship with you because I feel like I am in the fucking Twilight Zone where other people are more in tune with my motives for doing things even when I am absolutely crystal fucking clear about those motives. I truly don’t get it. Since when am I not the authority on my own opinions?
Three pages before you posted? Reverend, I would have thought a liar of your sophistication would be able to do better than that.
Here’s the link again.
The statement “I’m only sorry he has only one prostate to get cancer” is made here. Third post to the thread.
Oh, and here’s the very next post to that thread. Another gem from RM where you insist on drawing the thread away from mhendo’s OP and back onto the topic of your hatred for Pat Robertson.
Oh yeah. “THREE pages.” Definitely. Sure. “Silly twat.” Got it. Check.
UncleBeer wrote:
If you say that it was a sideways slap at David B, then obviously your opinion carries. But it was not intended to be about David B, sideways or otherwise. It was a head-on acknowledgment that I have no idea what the rules are anymore. I know what they say; I just don’t know what they mean from moment to moment. I’m just winging it here nowadays and hoping for the best.
Argument Man all over again…
And don’t bite the hand that’s trying to feed you.
Ahh, patronage, too. I can check that off the list now.
Bullshit. You’ve courted controversy here since you first arrived. Quit trying to reframe my remarks. And your post that I linked appears more to me as one-upmanship in a game of shock and deviltry than honest satire.
You are missing the point - rationalization. One can certainly defend oneself with making rationalizations. At least one can if one is acting in a forthright and honest manner.
How 'bout this from your website:
More poor satire? Or am I missing the “context” again?
All in all, whatever your intentions, or whatever you’ve rationalized them to be, as I said, I find you mildly distasteful and not worth this uproar.
My tire pressure is fine, by the way. I had them checked when I got my oil changed just a short time ago. Thanks for caring, though.
Okay. My mistake.
Ah, what a lovely train wreck.
Perhaps those of you with your panties in a twist ought to ask for clarification rather than smear your own personal stench over someone else’s posts, m’kay? And then blaming them because you think their post stinks, oh, boo hoo.
White Lightening
Ah, I wish I could be a liar of your sophistication. You go on and on about the point of thread hijack and then when I reference that it’s someplace else you are talking about.
I see. It’s the mere fact that I posted that was the abomination. Otherwise I would think what I posted at that point, shifting the whining and crying away from Robertson and his family to the victims of Robertson and their families was pretty much related to the OP, unless you had the entire discussion planned out in advance. I wasn’t returning to hatred of Robertson (again, your perception that I hate Robertson is overwrought) I was simply asking that if having sympathy for Robertson and his family over his cancer was a legitimate concern, then what of the people with cancer that Robertson defrauded and their families? Again, if a mockery is made of anything it’s concern for Robertson considering his track record.
That’s hardly a hijack. Seems more like a point you prefer not to be raised. If that’s the case, please tell me what points you would not like me to make before I post. Most appreciated. Thanks.
Oh, and by the way, related to your previous raving and drooling post, exactly what significance to you give to the fact that at some points I failed to respond to your and other poster’s breathless strawmen and distortions? If I corrected you every time you made yet another ambush of your rhetorical cardboard cut outs, I would barely have time to eat and shit.
UncleBeer
I need a bit of clarification here. Do you consider “courting controversy” as merely having an opinion or having an opinion significantly different than yours?
And as far as “reframing” remarks, wasn’t that what you were doing with the entire CSB post you cut and pasted? That gets a big pot-kettle-black.
And were I, just for the sake of argument, interesting in thinking exactly like you, do you think it better for the incision to be made through the temporal lobe or the eye sockets?
Ah, I see, you misrepresent one of my posts and then, when I explain what its intent was, that’s a rationalization.
Clever, and that slight vibration you feel is Karl Popper spinning in his grave.
Pretty much. It was a bit that began with describing how one Panda was being transported from Bejing to San Diego in order to get them to mate, but pandas, being pandas, will probably require artificial insemination.
I quote myself:
I mean, its really clever to take a single sentence and present it as if I was dead serious.
No, actually, it’s not.
Nevermind.
The concept eludes you.
But two can play that. Didn’t you call me purile (a three-dollar word for childish) in a previous post? Yet on this thread you say:
I’m sorry, did I miss the context? And did I misconstrue the the context that, surprise surprise, White Lightening seems to follow you around like a pilot fish eating your waste? I tell you there is nothing more heartwarming than a boy and his moderator.
I find it odd that your cookie cutter insult seems to be accusing people of immaturity (or being purile) and yet, you lack the sophistication to understand satire and rhetorical hyperbole?
Damn, UncleBeer, what’s it like being the only grown up?
Yet here you are, digging through the Cyber Soap Box, digging through my site, posting your big grown up heart out and yet it’s “not worth the uproar”?
Well, I have to admit, your job is easy. You can just troll through my writing here there and everywhere safe in the knowledge that since you simply react without producing anything original yourself, all the pickings are yours.
The ghost of Sam Kinison thanks you.
Since when is bringing outside matters to this message board acceptable anyway.
I may not be a moderator, but I know I’ve seen posters bitched at for doing exactly what Unclebeer has done here.
Not that anyone cares, but I’m fuckin’ out of here. You people disgust me.
grendel72
Hey, stick around. It’s only bound to get more entertaining.
Now, despite what WL claims, I hven’t been on this forum with the express purpose of getting web site material. What I said was that as long as people are going to cluster-fuck, I might as well harvest the raw material.
And you must admit, some of this stuff is great. I would have to stick around a forum for weeks or months before being exposed to this level of group pathology.
It’s all icing.
To clarify: I have e-mailed the mods, requesting that they ban me. I admire enough of the posters here that i would like to be able to continue reading the board without being tempted to post.
The tendency this board has gotten lately for bullying really sets me off, and I am getting sick of being drawn into arguments that aren’t even mine by some bullying fucks. Even in cases where I clearly have nothing to add to the argument, the bullying makes me angry enough that I feel the need to make my statement.
Good bye.