The only comment I have here is that it’s being offered by CafePress – meaning, anyone could have designed and put up these items. CafePress makes onesie-twose designs; it’s not a massive operation with silkcreen fees and four-color offset proof needed.
In other words, while I guess it’s fair to attribute this to right-wingers, I’m not so sure it’s fair to attribute it to the right wing.
Read what I said:
The remainder either thought he did, or weren’t sure.
You’re right. I could point out that technically, in post #15 I didn’t mention numbers, but that would be the very definition of ‘disingenuous,’ wouldn’t it?
Your point is well-taken and acknowledged.
Speaking as a gun-owning Obama voter, maybe this is a reason for the Democrats to get sensible about guns instead of listening to the Brady Campaign to Talk Bullshit About Firearms.
On topic: Frankly, I don’t see how this ACORN shit is any different from the Diebold shit or the Supreme Court/Butterfly Ballot shit. Screaming idiot wing of a political party thinks opposition “stole” the election, leadership panders to it, bear shits in woods, Pope Catholic.
Either way it’s petty and unbecoming to the party doing it, and just serves to alienate us moderates from whoever’s doing the mudslinging while simultaneously energizing the base.
I’m not talking about Czarcasm’s moderation. That wouldn’t be allowed in this forum. I’m talking about his conduct as a poster.
I disagree with even that.
Left wingers are pretending that these words are being said or published about Obama. Note some of the comments to this thread. But actually, all the bumper stickers say is “Pray for Obama – Psalm 109:8”. That’s all.
The idea is that one would think that’s a positive message of saying psalms for Obama when if you look up the psalm itself it says all that stuff about his children being fatherless etc.
It’s called a joke. People make jokes like that all the time.
Obama has had a good ride, but everyone likes to feel like a victim so they can hate the bad guys who oppress them, so you get manufactured outrage like this.
Yes, and religious nutjobs are particularly fond of jokes that make light of their beliefs.
Muslim countries seek blasphemy ban
It’s funny because it’s in some old book is one thing, It’s funny because it’s a God recommended way of entreating God is another.
Maybe the later is funny to the latest crop of cargo-cult christians, but for people who take their faith seriously, it ought to be anathema.
Considering what that particular passage calls for, I’m betting that we wouldn’t be able to “pray” for a fellow 'Doper using the same psalm.
The funny thing is, I’m not even offended by that “joke”. I’ve pretty much come to expect it from the Anti-Obama crowd.
I can’t help myself, I gotta hijack this thread a bit. I followed Oakminster’s cite in post 49, and found this delightful bit from Scylla (06-16-2006):
"In my opinion the Democrats have put themselves in a terrible position. By automatically taking the opposite tack as the Republicans they depend on failure or the appearance of failure to win power.
They can only win back power if Iraq, foreign policy, of the economy fall apart. They find themselves in the inauspicious position of rooting against their country or of at least trying to portray the country as on a path to ruin.
Unfortunately for them, the economy is doing very very well, and it appears that conquering a third world country is going to prove (just barely) within the scope of the adminstration’s competance, so I think this is a losing strategy.
I think they know it, too, generally speaking. The Democrats tend to be bitter and focussed on criticizing and complaining and looking for scapegoats. The common thread of the Democratic party’s out put has been to cry “Cheater!” The Republicans stole the 2000 election. They waged an illegal war in Iraq, they stole Ohio in '04. They waged an illegal campaign to asassinate Kerry in '04. They are doing illegal wiretaps, illegal detention, unfair judicial appointments, bully tactics. “Cheater! Cheater! Cheater!”
In the end though, nobody really likes a whiner, and you need a coherent political agenda to win elections and gain back power. The Democrats know this and they are desperately trying to come up with one. The problem is that they are trying to come up with a winning agenda. As a result, it is always changing based on what they think will work or be popular. What they need to do is not tell us what they are against, but to stand up for what they are for. Not because it will be popular, but because they believe it."
Sound kinda familiar?
Wow. Who knew Shodan was so prescient? He was absolutely right - the Democrats planned on Bush failing, and he delivered in spades.
The object lesson, of course, is that the current Republican strategy will work very well if Obama fails.
Not Shodan. ** Scylla**. And, yeah, sounds very familiar. Sounds like Scylla.
This is a specious point, if even that.
If somebody would actually pray for Obama with that psalm you would have a point. As it is, nobody is even printing the actual words, let alone using them.
Develop a sense of humor, folks. Many or most jokes are based on this structure. Say something that sounds like it means one thing and the punchline turns the meaning on its head.
“His father died in a concentration camp - he fell out of a guard tower”
“A woman belongs in the house - and the Senate”
“I hear your wife got down on her hands & knees to you last night - she said ‘come out from under the bed, you coward’”
Etc. etc. etc.
This clinging to outrage over an obvious joke is pathetic. And this presentation as if this was an actual prayer someone was saying - or advocating saying - about Obama is disingenuous.
To be fair, in the context of the “Pray for Obama” thing, Psalms 109:8 is only “May his days be few; may another take his office!”, which is a mildly amusing interpretation if you think of "days " as “days as President” rather than it being a death wish. Verses 9 onwards are the ones about children, widow etc.
In its original context, well…the OT is not very nice in general, what with children being shredded by she-bears and cities being smoten and most of humanity getting unexpected scuba lessons. The psalm is a drop in a bloody bucket.
I hadn’t even noticed that part. Even more pathetic than I thought.
:smack:
So you prefer to wait until verification comes in the form of a mushroom cloud over an American city?
A token pointing to a prayer asking God to destroy your enemies is a token pointing to a prayer asking God to destroy your enemies, and all your winging about jokiness cannot change that fact that that’s what it is. I gave you an out. You could have claimed that Republicans don’t take their religion seriously, but you don’t seem to be willing to do that. Why is that?
Hell yeah, I support mandated cannibalism!
Because we’re already at the point where anyone capable of thinking rationally on this subject would realize that your “argument” has no merit, so there’s no point in continuing to hash it out
I disagree that this is so. And especially here, where it’s a) against the natural instincts of the people responding, and b) a position that has gotten very little if any press.
ACORN in general has gotten a lot of press, but even in RW circles few if any people have been arguing that ACORN stole the election for Obama, to my knowledge. How one in every nine liberals etc. would dream up that idea is hard to imagine.
If you really want to start a thread about left-wing idiocy, start one about how many libs to this day still think GWB stole the 2000 election.