That’s fine. Call them whatever makes your sweet little heart happy.
But do try to keep up with the discussion, if you’re capable. You can start with Post #79, or trace back from there if you like. (Again, we’re discussing the likelihood that 11% of liberals believe that ACORN stole the election.)
It’s Zacharias Musawi. You also misspelled George Tenet’s name. 
Ten percent of *people *are stupid. So I see no reason that this is unlikely.
But even stupid people don’t just randomly assume things. Especially if they contradict what they would prefer to believe.
So my point is that in light of the fact that there has been very little if any carrying on about ACORN stealing the election for Obama - even in drooling moron RW circles, let alone in any venue that liberals are likely to encounter - it’s highly unlikely that this idea just happened to pop into the heads of that 11% of liberals who are stupid.
[Any number of other things - crazy or otherwise - that might have been said by RWers have zero bearing on this specific point.]
To be fair to, er, lunatics and nutjobs, IIRC only about 20% of Americans still self-identify as Republicans. So if half of them believe Obama stole the election, that means only about 10% of adults who reply to polls.
Ask people anything at all, and 10% of the respondents will answer in the craziest possible way.
No, but there’s every chance that 10% of poll respondents have never heard of ACORN and didn’t want to appear ill-informed.
ETA: In any case, I posted the actual question asked and a link to the poll questionnaire itself further up this page. If you want to discount the poll results, fine, but you should probably find a flaw in its methodology first.
It can almost anything you want it to be, but usually in US media it’s been Zacarias Moussaoui. Presumably that’s what his visa said.
He could have copied it off Tenet’s Presidential Medal of Freedom citation.
It can’t be anything you want it to be. He’s a French citizen, so his name has an official transliteration into the Roman alphabet, even if it could be written however you wanted to.
Psalms 109:8
From various Bibles:
New International Version (©1984)
May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Let his days be few; Let another take his office.
GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Let his days be few [in number]. Let someone else take his position.
King James Bible
Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
Now who is the one being disingenuous?
IMO that’s highly unlikely. But that’s a judgment call.
Automated polls are generally thought be unreliable, because there’s no way to know who answered the phone. Beyond that it’s hard to know. Knowing the wording of the question is not the sum of the methodology.
The main question would probably be in the population, both in ensuring a random sample upfront, and in how the pollsters weighted, sliced & diced the groups afterwords.
This is not true. Remember Hoffman, the cross-eyed simpleton heralded as Mr. Smith going to Washington by the conservatives, including Dick Armey, Sarah Palin and the Becktard? He just sent out a fundraising letter saying:
This is after the election mind you, he’s asking for money now, because ACORN stole his election from him. Do you think he’s coming from left field with this?
A gift from me to you:
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=acorn+voter+fraud&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10
The one notably not quoting the following lines, which put that first one into context. :dubious:
RNATB, the French transliteration would be the one I gave, m’kay?
Can you explain why you would say this and follow up with an assortment of links and quotes that have nothing to do with the notion of ACORN stealing the election for Obama?
Just because you refuse to understand something doesn’t mean it wasn’t said.
Look Hoffman writes a litter saying that ACORN stole the election from him. What does this tell you? Do you think he just came out of left field chose ACORN as a scapegoat? He’s tapping in to conservative conspiracy theories that are all over the fucking place.
Why exactly do you think conservatives hate ACORN? Read a few stories about them. Listen to Beck, Palin, Hannity, O’Riely, and Limbaugh. They all bleat about how ACORN needs to be stopped. Because of voter fraud. Voter fraud, that actually didn’t exist, but that doesn’t stop conservatives from talking about.
Just because you aren’t aware of an issue doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. Believe it or not the universe continues to roll on without you when you close the living room door behind you.
Srsly.
In other words, you have nothing.
“I don’t know have the slightest evidence for what we’re talking about so I’ll just talk about something else, but I’ll talk about it a lot, to make it look better.”
Possibly this has worked for you in the past. Who knows. Maybe find 11% of liberals and run it past them.
In other words I’m trying to educate a stupid fuck who can’t get his head out of his ass long enough to understand things said plain, if I were to use other words. I can’t help you if you want to blindly pretend that my evidence isn’t compelling. All I can do is point out what a hidebound, useless, ideological shill you are to the rest of the peanut gallery.
Logic and evidence has worked in the past. But every once in awhile a stupid person like yourself bubbles to the surface, but still I go through the motions.
It might be helpful if you would reflect on the difference between the 2008 presidential election and the 2009 NY-23 special election. Also on the difference between “engage in voter fraud” and “stole the election for Obama”. Or not. But give it a try. Let’s see.
Yes, that’s true. You win half the argument.
What do you think voter fraud is? ACORN didn’t do it, but the right thinks they did.
Are you really this stupid?
“Voter fraud” takes place whenever voters are traduced, induced and/or seduced into voting for the wrong candidate. Or when persons who, by any reasonable measure, are not worthy of the privilege are registered to vote by way of some legal technicality, and are thereby awarded the same voting privileges properly reserved for their betters.