Ah. I see. Well, I’ll call you unimaginative then.
I’m sure we can’t blame you for not fully understanding language tools such as sarcams and irony in the English language (remember: I have to ask for an explanation too every once in a while!).
But to ask for everyone to just stop using them altogether for your convenience is ludicrous.
Coldfire
Voted Poster Most Likely To Post Drunk
"You know how complex women are"
Yeah, but it never really works all that well. I can always tell when I’m lying.
Bjorn, it’s a good thing we don’t have referees here. If we had one I think he’d be compelled to stop the verbal thrashings you keep getting.
Coldfire, please continue.
Should I? I feel almost guilty now. Maybe Rousseau can have a go?
Coldfire
Voted Poster Most Likely To Post Drunk
"You know how complex women are"
is asking people “not to lie”, so much to ask? this is after all a place where people try to fight ignorance.
is it a wrong assumption that lying promotes ignorance?
without getting into it at the grammar level (you wouldnt trust my definition of sarcasm or irony anyway). i must say that theese language tools are build to create confusion. the general purpose and usage of theese tools is lying. like the differance of: “i suppose you think that was very clever” and saying “you know that was a silly thing to do”.
basically, sarcasm and irony are not capable of clarifying the written language(different in spoken language) for the text containing irony and sarcasm requires translating.
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bj0rn - well?
to you guys/girls with the moderator hat!!!
what about my request to move this thread back to the great debates?
bj0rn - i wonder if i should email em…
Comprehension of a language includes a fair grasp on style attributes such as irony and sarcasm. They are not lies, they are a manner of speaking (bear with me folks, I’m just using small words to get the message across). They often constitute and/or convey humour, anger, disdain.
Without them, written conversation on a message board like this would be as exciting as watching paint dry. Furthermore, it is my personal opinion that the amount of wit displayed by a poster determines a great deal of the respect I can have for that poster.
And you can’t have wit without your occasional off-the-rack sarcasm and your average plain-vanilla irony.
It is not our fault if you do not understand sarcasm and irony.
If the problem is a lack of knowledge regarding the English language: Have no fear. It can be learned.
If it is a lack of humour, however: Run for the hills. Leave. Your questions will never be answered.
Coldfire
Voted Poster Most Likely To Post Drunk
"You know how complex women are"
so, the amount of wit displayed by a poster varies by the (occasional) amount of irony and sarcasm posted?
not understanding and not finding it funny is not the same thing. if i do not find sarcasm and irony funny, am i houmorless? if so…so be it.
as quoted before, sarcasm is notoriously the lowest form of wit (not my words). it is not mine to decide… but i want to ask:
ignoring all language tools, opinions and myths. do you not have to do the best you can to speak/write as best you can? and on this message board, try with all your might to avoid producing ignorance.
now, as ironic as it may look:
from merriam-webster
and:
is sarcasm and irony promoting ignorance?
bj0rn - are you the one that laughs when you fall?
eh…sorry about that.
from merriam-websters:
the first one is:
sarcasm
the second one is:
irony
bj0rn
Fuck yeah. Which is exactly what everyone but bj0rn-the-thick-headed-moron is doing.
Give it up already. You are annoying.
Coldfire
Voted Poster Most Likely To Post Drunk
"You know how complex women are"
and while we are at it, who the h*** cares who is posting?
bj0rn - arguing about personal opinions is far different from arguing facts.
[QUOTE]
Fuck yeah. Which is exactly what everyone<ed> but bj0rn-the-thick-headed-moron is doing.
sorry about the <ed>.
generalizing now, are we?
bj0rn - an individual
I can’t help it.
I see a bj0rn post and an image of monkeys and typewriters comes to mind.
Am I the only one?
oh yes, the reason i wanted to keep this thread in the debates. i belive you have provided the answer wally. thank you.
bj0rn - enjoy
What answer?
You got me so confused I don’t even know what I’m talking about.
Look into my eyes, bj0rn.
You have an uncontrollable urge to walk into a boiling geiser.
{accidentally looks into Wally’s eyes}
I have an uncontrollable urge to… GAAAAAAAAACK! Owowowowowhothothotowowowowow!
OK, now that I’ve gotten that silliness out of the way…
I’ve said it a million times, mostly because I’ve been the one to fuck it up - Sarcasm does not play well over the internet. There is a reason we have emoticons and smilies - use them wisely.
Esprix, who is particularly thankful for the rolling eyes
bj0rn,
I, for one, agree with you that this could have been well-argued in GD.
Coldfire and Rousseau, for all that they have been attacking you simply because they’ve gotten into the habit of it, have rsponded to your OP with some pretty salient points regarding the validity of using sarcasm and irony in the posts on this message board.
Apropos of nothing in particular, I might note in passing that the root of the word “sarcasm”, sarc, translates roughly as “flesh”; extrapolate out to “dead meat,” or “carrion.” One of the characteristics of carrion is that it tends to, well, stink to high heaven. As such it carries in its essence the antithesis of the property of blandness. I make no claim that the word was coined with this analogy in mind, but, serendipitously, the analogy fits.
Ironically (considering your present assertion that irony and sarcasm are forms of prevarication), your own posts in the past have been chock-full of examples of what I would term irony and sarcasm. To be sure, they manifested quite subtly at times, and I’m sure that I didn’t always observe them for what they were; still, they were major factors in my assessing you as a particularly entertaining poster. If you’re going to claim now that none of your little asides, retorts, parting shots, and obscure references have been deliberately ironic or sarcastic, I’m going to be terribly disillusioned.
Getting back to the points on which I agree with Coldfire, one way of looking at the presence of irony or sarcasm (and FWIW, I don’t look at them as being mutually exclusive, that is, a sarcastic post can contain elements of irony – not that anybody said that it couldn’t – and vicey-versey), is that the author is doing me the courtesy of assuming I will understand his (her) meaning on a deeper level than just a literal acceptance of the words as they appear in the message. In short, if I am sarcastic to you, it means I think you’re smarter than the Babelfish program. (Unless I think you’re not 
)
At least on this message board, it’s not that difficult to recognize the sarcasm and irony when they appeat. Perhaps I’m taking too much for granted, inasmuch as this board is written in my mother tongue, but my intuition is that a minimal amount of practice with such things as discerning a poster’s attitudes through the way he presents his posts in unrelated threads, or observing the context of a statement through the way third partis react to it, should be all the training an intelligent reader requires to recognize that non-literal subtexts exist in a post.
And bj0rn, don’t make any mistake about this; I think you are an intelligent reader.
Anyway, correct me if I’m wrong, but do I sense in your posts here a certain weariness at the treatment you have been getting lately? Or did you bring up the issue because you thought someone else was being unfairly dog-piled upon?
I don’t wish to browbeat you into revealing more vulnerability than you consciously choose to reveal, but let me just assure you that in a world of disdainful and disrespectful Coldfires, Rousseaus, and WallyM7s, there are still those who regard you and your posts as the earwax-flavored confections without which no bag of Bott’s Every Flavor Beans would be complete.
Bjorn, please go back and read the suggestions I gave you in the “What’sWith the Creative Spelling?” thread. If you refuse to use English, you can’t really complain about the use of such English language devices as sarcasm, irony, and even sarcastically ironical name-calling.
I would like one of the following to happen:
Bjorn starts writing English at a level above that of a third-grader. I will agin state, seriously, truthfully, and non-sarcastically, that I will help tutor you, Bjorn, if you really want to learn; or
Bjorn is banned from the board until he learns to write.
P.S.
Here’s sarcasm–don’t you wish you could get one of those no-capital-letter keyboards like bjOrn has?
And here’s irony–bjOrn complaining about the way anyone communicates.
Oh, well. We can always make more killbots.
stands up and applauds Kaylasdad99 for his CLASSIC post!
thank you exprix.
very true, and i belive i have taken those points into consideration when replying(ignoring non-related stuff, which doesnt leave much left…(is that irony?)).
why, thank you. while im not going to try and disappoint you, i want too add a few points. people often percieve me as ironic or sarcastic, because they often do not belive i mean exacly what i am saying(using the dictionary translation of sarcastic). the point is though, that i mean exacly what i say, but perhaps write it in a manner that could be displayed as ironic.
which brings me to my next point(one should never play all the aces as one). the argument would have been hopelessly lost if this point would have been presented in the beginning.
while im not saying that sarcasm and irony should be forbidden (as they promote ignorance), theese tools should be avoided when arguing/debating a certain truth (lies do not promote truth).
usage of sarcasm and irony at a personal level is accepted if the truth of the speaker attacked is not linked to him personally, thus attacking the truth aswell.
this would be a promotion of the truth kaylasdad99 provided (granted of course that everybody agree).
i agree that its one way of looking at it. i havent disagreed with what coldfire has said earlier in this thread, i just questioned it further. also(ironically…yet not), your point quoted can mean exacly the opposite of what you said.
one of the reasons irony and sarcasm should be avoided. as much as you want this to be an english speaking messageboard(as it is), one has to acknowledge that its viewable in an international zone.
not exacly weariness no…for originally i did post this because i “thought someone else was being unfairly dog-piled upon”.
but that does not matter…i really meant this thread as a hypothesis(think thats the right word) of what should or should not be.
first of all…that could be irony. i do not expect it to be, so i say thanks(and what a brilliantly written paragraph that was). but it could be and i wouldnt understand it because: i have no idea of what Botts every flavour beans taste like(i guess hes got em in all flavors) and i never use earwax. but its used to prevent one from hearing unwanted noise isnt it? so the term “earwax-flavored” is english to me.
but thanks for a wonderful post…
bucky…
here is a tip; with the help of a screw-driver you can easily pry out the shift-buttons of your keyboard(including the caps lock).
bj0rn - just trying to be helpful