Sorry, my mistake, in Yellow Submarine Jeremy was also Mr. Boob**. More appropriate…
.. indeed.
Charles Murray is a respected political scientist. If the Republicans sweep the next election he will play a major role in Republican efforts to put an end to Aid to Dependent Children, while increasing the likelihood and severity of punishment. Life will become unpleasant for ghetto thugs. Those are directions we are moving in anyway. Charles Murray provides the scientific rationale for what most Americans want to happen.
You haven’t posted anything that really needs to be refuted. You’re only posting your personal opinions, devoid of any real evidence, and those only deserve to be condemned, not refuted.
Not even that.
But everyone can see that you have reduced yourself to defend outfits that also work to deny global warming, the punishment coming for the inaction they propose will not care about any divisions that you are proposing Mr. Boob.
What in the blue fuck are they talking about?
Are brazil84 and NDD the biggest idiots in the history of idiots?
I’m not surprised this thread is ever growing because rarely do we ever get such scum of the earth opinions, nonsense, and babbling, juvenile rhetoric from not just one, but two completely vapid morons who somehow leap frog over their own stupidity with every post they make.
This continues to prove a curious exposition on some of the most clueless rejects humanity has to offer, by continuing to dole out the rope, page after page, for them to hang themselves with. But they’re so dumb, they don’t realize they’ve meeted out enough rope to hang themselves 1000 times over.
Congratulations b84 and NDD on being probably the two most pathetic people on the internet to demonstrate to the world just how dumb and repugnant you are.
Here’s a clue that you won’t get: those of us who aren’t actively participating with you two in this thread are laughing in derision at your idiocy on display.
You have been refuted many times. Again and again you can not respond to the genetic data that is presented that shows no coherence in your 19e century races. You make strange assertions about crimiinality and these outdated race ideas, and fail to respond even to the basic evidnece that makes nonesense of your claims, as the criminality evidence and your races. And this is without even getting to the nonsense and lack of logic to connections with the genetic data.
It is all a just so story you are making up as you go along to justify your archaic prejudices.
You’re not being flamed, you’re being ridiculed. It’s an important distinction.
This paper reports an analysis of the educational attainment and progress between age 11 and age 14 of over 14,500 students from the nationally representative Longitudinal Study of Young People in England (LSYPE). The mean attainment gap in national tests at age 14 between White British and several ethnic minority groups were large, more than three times the size of the gender gap, but at the same time only about one-third of the size of the social class gap…
Broadly speaking, the mean scores of Black Caribbean, Black African, Black Other, Pakistani and Bangladeshi students are below the mean for their White
British peers, while the mean scores for Chinese, Indian and Irish students are higher than the mean of their White British peers…
Phillips, Brooks-Gunn, Duncan, Klebanov and Crane (1998) in an extensive analysis of the survey of the Children of the National Longitudinal Study of Youth (CNLSY) report traditional socio-economic measures account for no more than one-third of the Black-White test score gap at age 5/6 years…
Analyses were completed separately for each of the English, mathematics and science tests. The results revealed a consistent picture with the mean scores for Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Black Caribbean and Black African groups significantly lower than for White British students in all three subjects…
The Black Caribbean coefficient has only dropped by 25% from -3.3 to -2.5 points and is still substantially below the White British mean even after accounting for the social class of the home, gender, maternal education, entitlement to FSM, home ownership and single parent status…
the success of the model in accounting for the low attainment of Black Caribbean and Black African students is much smaller. Even after including all the contextual variables these groups are still achieving around -2.5 points less than would
be expected given their family, student, school and neighbourhood context…
Socio-economic status therefore does not provide an adequate account of all ethnic group differences in attainment at age 14…
Phillips et al. (1998) report that socio-economic status, including racial disparities in family income, wealth, parental education and school resources, explain only about a third of the black-white test score gap for six year olds, and conclude that “reducing economic inequality between black and white parents would probably not reduce the black-white gap much”.
None of this says anything at all about genetics. Also, the conclusions of the Daily Mail link posted by Belowjob2.0 are the opposite- in that study, poor white kids actually do worse in school than poor black kids.
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Broadly speaking, the mean scores of […]Pakistani and Bangladeshi students are below the mean for their White
British peers, while the mean scores for […] Indian […] students are higher than the mean of their White British peers…
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…hence any genetic explanation is bullshit?
NDD, the problem is that you are treating the proposition that “observed differences between populations are due to genetic factors” as the null hypothesis when in fact the opposite is so*, and “observed differences are due to genetic factors” is that which is to be demonstrated. Since you like logical fallacies so much, I’ll point you at the relevant one.
Or, to look at it another way, your application of the scientific method is lacking. Let’s look at the basic steps (borrowed from Wikipedia for simplicity’s [sic] sake):
- Formulate a question
- Hypothesis
- Prediction
- Test
- Analysis
Your argument goes:
- What causes the observed differences in certain populations?
- They are caused by genetic differences.
- You don’t really make a prediction unless you count “Eugenics will reduce crime rates”.
- Since testing the above prediction would involve genocide, I’m afraid you’re out of luck. And we’ve already discussed the problems with Lynn and Rushton’s efforts.
- [del]PROFIT!!![/del] See #4.
In fact, pretty much everything you’ve posted has involved steps 1 and 2 and left the rest as an exercise for the reader.
So your argument fails on logical grounds and fails on scientific grounds. And note that we don’t have to come up with an alternative theory for your argument to fail; it fails on its own merits and demerits. But hey, thanks for playing.
- By which I mean "“observed differences between populations are NOT due to genetic factors”, which is not the same as propositions such as “observed differences between populations are due to [some other factor]” or “no signficant genetic differences exist between populations” which would also have to be proved.
Why are you people even engaging this guy? He’s an admitted dyed in the wool racist and that’s not going to change. I know we fight ignorance, but come on. Pick your battles.
For me, I enjoy it. And I believe the best way to defeat pseudoscientific thinking (like “race realism”) is to challenge it and pick it apart. I don’t expect I’ll change NDD’s mind, but hopefully other readers might learn something from this thread on how to challenge and pick apart such thinking.
I honestly do it because I enjoy seeing racists squirm. It’s obviously bugging him like crazy that we don’t think he’s right, and that we can so easily refute him.
You are clearly not yet aware of the Bangledeshis are secretely a black people explanation even though they are closer to his Chinese orientals. And Pakistanis are too also secretly a black people.
Or the alternative demarche he has used that the genetic explanations are only preferred if they fit elderly american racial prejudices, but then if they do not there is no genetic explanaiton.
Personally? Because the PTB decline to ban his particular brand of racist, so there’s a chance that some less-educated lurker might actually think there’s the tiniest smidgeon of truth in some of his cites and “arguments” if they remain unchallenged.
And I know all to well what it’s like when racists actually get their way with putting their principles in practice. Unequal education and laws (such as NDD had the gall to propose) set my country back decades.
“all too well”, damnit.
One would think so, but he’ll no doubt be along shortly to claim that the study failed to correct for religious background, and everyone knows religion is genetic. :rolleyes:
“I think he’s having a little trouble with his old brain injury, he’s going to have a go, no, no, bad luck, he’s up, he doesn’t know when he’s beaten, this boy, he doesn’t know when he’s winning either. He doesn’t have any sort of sensory apparatus.”
- We all know where this comes from…
Are you under the impression that this is somehow a convincing argument?