Second year anniversary of moving to The Home

I have two previous threads on my saga of displacement and resettling, if anyone cares to look back. I certainly don’t plan to – it was a difficult time. I reread some journal entries from the time of the move, Aug 4 to Sept 4, 2023 and can’t believe what a ordeal it was.

First thread, at the time of the move in 2023:

(BTW, The Dog referred to in the linked thread is still a problem. :roll_eyes:)

First anniversary of the move, 2024:

This First Anniversary thread is less painful to read. And I don’t plan to reread the whole thing. But issues that came up in the first few posts and that I refer to in the thread title are still something to grapple with, namely Living in a Community.


It is still true that this was the right move even though it was forced on me, and this independent living senior apartment facility is the best place for me to be at my age and circumstances (i.e., financially okay but not wealthy, and no family at all).

  • NOTE: “Independent” living means no caregiving staff and the assumption is that residents do not need help with daily living tasks. As opposed to “assisted living,” where there are staff who help with mobility issues, bathing, dressing, etc. There no caregiving staff here unless a resident hires them to help post-surgery, for physical therapy, or the like.

The place itself is well-run and the management is extremely responsive to problems and quick to implement solutions. I really feel that the management of the whole organization (which has two other huge properties, both of them housing all levels of care), not just the executive director of our specific property is always looking for ways to improve our lives. Seriously. I attribute this to the fact that it is a faith-based, non-profit organization, created in the 1970s by three local churches. There is a strong sense of “mission” at all levels of service, as opposed to a strong sense of “cut corners and make a buck for our investors.” Even though it is faith-based, religion is not front-and-center around here. There aren’t crosses or crucifixes on all the walls or anything. A priest/minister conducts some services which are completely optional. I urge people who are searching for senior living communities to look first at non-profit organizations, not profit-making facilities. We have quite a few refugees from the latter who felt penny-pinched into fleeing.

But enough about The Home – let’s talk about me. I have reverted to my introverted self and don’t participate in community activities as much as I did. When I first arrived, having activities available was a novelty in my formerly isolated life. If you like to socialize, there are tons of opportunities. Some people here go to everything, and I say more power to them. I’m selective and will go if I think I’ll have a good time or learn something.

One of the best things is that no one bugs you to attend things or socialize, even though you are always welcome and made to feel welcome. No one says, “Why don’t we ever see you in the dining room?” or “Why don’t you ever come to happy hour?” There are some residents in my own building that I haven’t seen in months.

This is a friendly, tolerant, live-and-let-live community. If you need help, people will help with rides, feeding your pets, pick up your mail and packages, bring your lunch from the dining room if you don’t feel well. On your birthday, there will be tons of cards (and maybe cookies or cake) in your mail cubby. Because everyone here is of an age (entry age is 55), single, and has a variety of health issues, they know what you are going through. You will find plenty of awareness and the accompanying compassion. I would go so far as to say it is a loving community, but in a good way, not a buttinsky oppressive way. (Could anyone besides an introvert state it that way? :roll_eyes:)

Are there cliques? Not really, but people do hang out in the same groups and sit together. It surprised me how much the middle-schooler in myself will come out when Mary Lou and Helen sit together at some event and didn’t save me a place. :worried: Let’s face it, we’re all insecure 12-years old inside.

Is there gossip? If there is, then I’m not on that grapevine. A couple of “couples” have formed, and in our community of ~100, there are 12 men, 2 married couples, and 84 women (most of the women are widows). I’m aware of at least two gay women, don’t know about the men. A few people have died since I moved here, but that’s to be expected in a community like this.

I don’t eat in the dining room every day like I did at first. Again, the novelty of having someone prepare lunch has kind of worn off. Also I started to miss some of the things that I used to cook for myself, so I often get out the Instant Pot and fix something on the weekend. And I do go out, too, usually alone, not always. The dining room really can’t produce good Mexican food like you find in any one of the bazillion restaurants in San Antonio. <shrug> For people here who are very tight on money – and I know some are on the edge – not having to buy groceries or eat out or during the week is a godsend.

One of the best things: because this is a faith-based non-profit, there is a fund that offers a financial safety net. Once you’ve lived here three years if you run out of money you are eligible to have your rent paid from this fund. IOW they will not kick you out if you outlive your nest egg. This is a Huge Big Deal and something you should inquire about when you’re shopping for a Home. Unless you have boatloads of money that will never run out (some do who live here, not me). BTW, this is a month-to-month indefinite lease and there is no buy-in. I think the deposit to move in was $1,500. My monthly rent/lease is $2,300, which includes ALL utilities, internet, basic cable, and landline phone. Monthly housekeeping, which I do not use, as I have my own cleaner who has been coming to me for 12 years. Also two meals a day in the dining room five days a week (breakfast is just coffee & rolls, but the lunch is huge and many save half of it for dinner).

Bottom line: this is a great place and it was a good move. All of my neuroses, quirks, insecurities, anxieties, hyper-vigilance, obnoxiousness, sharp tongue, sensitivity, humor, introversion – all of that came along with the furniture, dishes, books, and boxes. “Wherever you go, there you are,” and all that.

As I’ve said before, the biggest mental obstacle to making a move like this is accepting that it is Time for You to Do It. The other major obstacle is downsizing, which usually amounts to disposing of or walking away from about half your possessions. Big ouch there, but it has to be done sooner or later. Best to do it when you’re still able-bodied and (mostly) compos mentis.

Kitty update!

Both cats have seem to adjusted to 100% indoor life. I keep one window in the living room open a few inches so they can at least breathe fresh air. They can look down a two bird feeders that I fill and dream of the days when they chased, caught, and dismembered the feathered creatures. The cats EC and Tikva still do not like each other, after 10 years of living together. They chase each other, fight, hiss – and no, they’re not playing. Sigh. Sometimes both of them will get up on the sofa with me and each one will pretend the other one is not there. And I’m alert to the first sign that I might become the Killing Field. But they’re doing fine. It’s such a relief to know where they are and that they’re safe. At the house, they were outside 20 hours out of 24 and It could be nerve-wracking.

Here are some pictures (clicking on the picture should take you to an album):

  • Tikva in a nylon cat tunnel I got from Amazon. EC is lurking in the background. They don’t like it as much as I thought they would.
  • EC in her favorite wicker trash can. I only put paper in there – never anything that might harm her.
  • EC in an Amazon box. Since they never go out, I make a point of letting them hang out in Amazon boxes for a week or so. At least they get to smell something besides what’s in this apartment.
  • EC in the tunnel.
  • EC in my in-basket.
  • Tikva in an Amazon box.
  • One brief idyllic moment when they co-existed peacefully in proximity.

Don’t know why this preview is distorted, but the pics in the imgur album have the correct aspect ratio.

Once again glad to hear you’re settled and comfortable being social if you want to, or NOT as the case may be (thus the quote above). Many of us were worried about you (see our posts in the two linked threads) but I still think you grant yourself two little credit for your ability to make rational, good decisions when you were in a LOT of emotional pain. So :1st_place_medal: for you!

I’m young enough to still be completely fine in my multi-level house, but old enough to dread still being here in my mid-to-late 60s. And I worry about my 86 year old father and step-mother in Las Cruces though they have enough wealth to cushion my concerns - I’m 95% confident that my father (actually he has -said- so) would prefer to die in the house than do assisted living, because he’s an egomaniac with control issues [ I have all of his traits, but thankfully mitigated by my mother’s influence so I get it even if I don’t agree ].

But once again, this is your story, not MY story, so once again, you’ve done well, you’re DOING well, and as long as you and the cats are comfortable and happy as can be, you’ve come out of this a winner, in a more secure place (commenting on the lifeline fund), and not forcing yourself to be someone you’re not.

That’s an amazing success in our current world. And a number of pics of content cats in Amazon boxes (well known in our home as well!) are a pretty good indicator of happiness as well. :wink:

I had not read the earlier threads that you had posted, @ThelmaLou, because at the time I was having my own health and personal issues and didn’t have the emotional strength to deal with what I saw as “somebody else’s problems”. Things have settled down, somewhat, and I realize that some of what you have been going through may now be relevant to me.

I own my own home, so I’m in no danger of being forced to move out. However, I am finding it a little more difficult to manage dealing with household maintenance than in the past. A friend who is aware of this has been urging me to consider moving to some sort of assisted living facility. I have been very resistant to this, but I’m starting to reconsider this. My primary concern has been the idea of transitioning to a smaller space, as this would (I presume) require me to do not just a major de-cluttering but also culling my rather extensive collection of books, DVDs, and CDs. I’m also concerned about transportation to doctor appointments and grocery shopping; I currently use a free local public transit disability service for this, but this may not extend to a retirement facility if it’s not in my immediate area.

Another concern is cost. I’m presuming I would be selling my house, but I’d need to check out the costs involved in (I presume) renting space in a facility.

Sorry to tack this into your thread, but I just needed to vent.

To both of you: I’m very interested in other people’s experiences and thought processes as we go down that road. I never mind side stories being brought into my threads and do not consider them “hijacks,” as I believe that they broaden and deepen the discussion.


My bold.

If he doesn’t need physical help from another person with bathing, dressing, going to the bathroom, and otherwise performing the tasks of daily life, he may be fine with INDEPENDENT living (like where I am) and not need ASSISTED LIVING. He won’t have a caregiver so there’s no one to piss off. Except his wife, but that’s not the facility’s problem. We have plenty of people here in their 80s, in fact well into their 80s. We had a woman who was 101 and she still came down to the dining room every day, no wheelchair, cane, or walker,

If your folks have funds, some independent living places are quite posh. Like luxury hotels.

That was so sweet. I really felt cared for and supported. :revolving_hearts:

Thanks… I do still feel cared for and supported. :face_blowing_a_kiss:

My T-Mobile Gateway is still working great! :wireless:


Does your friend understand the different levels?

A few people here use canes or walkers. A couple of wheelchairs or scooters. I think one of the requirements for moving in here is that you have to be able to stand up on your own. Not walk a mile or climb stairs, but I believe the point is that you need to be able to get out of bed, to the bathroom, dress yourself, and into your wheelchair without assistance. That’s how you are defined as independent.

This is tough. I have left behind so many books, not when I moved here but when I moved to the house that I moved here from. I’m still not quite over it and that was in 2012. But needs must. Many people here have moved from 3,000+ sq ft (or more) homes where they lived for 30-50 years into an 800-1,200 sq ft apartment. Like you they had collectibles, art, antiques, grand pianos FFS-- stuff gathered over a lifetime. It can be done, but it’s not painless.

This is, or course, a huge consideration, too. These places exist at all price points. At the top of the line (in their opinion anyway) they want a buy-in. Two that I know in this area want $150,000 upfront and another requires $230,000 up front–and your monthly rent will be ON TOP OF THAT. My place only wanted a deposit of $1,500 like any apartment complex would and there is no contract or formal lease.

It wouldn’t hurt to just start exploring your options while you’re under no pressure. Don’t wait until (God forbid) something happens to force the issue.

Every place is going to have its own website, although you will almost NEVER see any prices on those websites. There are companies that interview you and then match you with a facility. You don’t pay anything; they get their fee from the home. I’m not sure about that. The really great places won’t need to pay to bring in prospective residents. Poke around and let some places woo you. Start with faith-based non-profits to avoid the hard sell.

That can be tricky, but not insurmountable. Most facilities will have some kind of transportation, and some cities (as I guess you’ve discovered) provide services, too. It’s not nearly the freedom to come an go that you have with your own car, but it sounds like you’ve been without a car for a while

Most people here have sold their houses, which would certainly give you some $$ to work with. But I suppose you could rent it to have a place to retreat to in case you don’t like where you wind up.

Or do what I did with three different houses: sell it yourself (on your own–no real estate agent0, and carry the note. You get a mortgage check every month (including all that nice interest), and since you’re not a landlord, the buyers are responsible for all maintenance and insurance. It’s a sweet deal that many people don’t consider because they think it’s complicated and only moguls do it. It’s not and ordinary people do it, too.

This is a big transition, the turning of a page into a new chapter. It will come one way or another. It’s smart to take control of it while you are still able.

I remember following along as you posted - I was (and still am) impressed with how well you handled an incredibly difficult and emotional change that you weren’t prepared for and didn’t want. I am so happy that it turned out so well for you!

I have some older relatives that I’m afraid may be faced with being forced into some sort of retirement community or assisted living, and one of them has no income or resources beyond a minimal amount of social security and a part time job. I learned a lot from your threads, so thank you for sharing.

How does one even go about finding non-profit facilities? A lot of the senior or low income housing around here doesn’t even bother picking up the phone because they have such long wait lists.

I appreciate you sharing your experience.

Your place sounds like a dream to someone like me.

Best I can hope for where I live is to find an apartment.

I have not had any luck but I keep looking.

I will probably have to move at least a half hour away to find something which I really don’t want to do.

Thanks for your supportive comments. :slightly_smiling_face:


IMHO this is NOT what you’re looking for. You want a private non-profit, not one that is dependent on any government funds, whether city, county, or you-know-where.

You will have to do the searching yourself.


Put this text into a google search.

how to search for nonprofit senior living communities

The AI response that comes up at the top will tell you a lot of what you need to know. And point you toward some resources.

What happens as people age in place, and need more help?

IMHO he probably does need assisted living. Oh, not all of the time, but more than he wants to admit. A lot of it falls on my step-mother who is only about 3-4 years younger (and is, in a partial view, better than he deserves!).

I fully grant that he’s been better after the last 3 or so health scares at reducing his involvement in a number of projects and supervising more (he swears the house he just bought/reconditioned/resold is the last!) but I don’t believe him.

Back to your example - you had a forcible circumstance, but honestly evaluated your condition, needs, and probable future needs. He isn’t self-honest or introspective in the same way. Which in some ways is good, one of the reason his health is as good as it despite lots of bad habits (thankfully no smoking/drinking) is that he’s been physically active throughout the years, only slowly toning it down in the last 5-6 or so.

What you did @ThelmaLou in being honest with yourself in a really trying time, seems to be much more difficult than many realize, despite saying that of course they wood do XYZ. But in the midst of the crisis? Not so much.

Now go forth and have FUN! Unless the cats say otherwise. I’m not saying that because one housepanther is within swatting reach of my face. No siree!

This ratio astounds me. I know that women outlive men, but still…

In the senior community where my parents lived, I would estimate the ratio to have been about 60-40, or perhaps 65-35. But nowhere close to what you have described.

Any reason for these numbers of which you are aware?

They move to a facility that offers more care, i.e., assisted living.

Nope. :woman_shrugging:t4:

Thank you for the clarification about specifically looking for private non-profit!

A lot of the OP sounds like where we are and what we’ve experienced over the past three years. They will provide assistance to a degree, but it’s an extra service with a hired contractor that the recipient has to pay for. Our new neighbor has someone come a couple of times a day, probably for medication issuance. There is no full-time assisted living here.

We tend not to socialize and never eat in the dining room. The wife will order a dinner delivered on occasion, but otherwise I still cook and I don’t like paying $20 for mediocre food. She contributes to the monthly newsletter by doing interviews of residents and staff. I reshelve books in the library and go to exercise classes, but neither of us cares at all about bingo or jigsaws or knitting, etc. They have a weekly movie with popcorn, but I can watch pretty much anything on my TV.

There are a few gossipers that I avoid like the plague. I’m friendly with a few of the residents, but not to the point of wanting to hang out with them. I stay friendly with the staff, always greeting them or joking with them. They’re the ones who make life easier and it can be a thankless job.

I’m glad you checked in. I was going to ask you to. :waving_hand:t4:

I’ve been getting mailings from one local facility, offering me to come over for lunch and a tour. As you said, their website has no information on costs, and not much on the actual living spaces. I’d always assumed this is because they want to have me there so they can give me a hard sell.

I don’t know about a hard sell. It’s not like they’re selling you a car that you are going to get in and drive away and never see them again. You might go live there.

I think these facilities should put their prices on their website so you can screen yourself and decide right off the bat if it’s even within your price range. But they don’t.

The reason you need to go visit even if you know the prices is to see if it’s a good match. This is like job hunting or internet dating. You are interviewing them to see if this is a place where you want to spend your money and spend what might turn out to be your last days.

I would definitely go for the lunch and the tour. And take with you some hard questions, some of the things we’ve talked about in this thread and that I have talked about in my previous threads. What do they offer, specifically? Cost? Amenities? Safety net? Transportation? You put them on the spot and do a hard sell to see if it’s the place you want. Talk to some residents. Ask them how they like it. Ask to see one or more residents’ apartments. It’s a huge commitment and a huge life change and you need to grill these people and figure out what their attitude is toward having you there.

And tell them, “I’m just beginning to look. I’m going to be looking at lots of different places and asking them all the same questions. So I’d like to know what makes you stand out among all the other senior retirement communities that I might choose?”

If possible, take someone with you. Someone whose opinion you trust.

Our marketing director is a lovely human being and would never hard sell anyone. She wants to make sure that whoever comes here will fit into the community, will stay a very long time, will not be a pain in the ass to other residents or to management. And she will tell people up front, this is probably not the community for you.

If you decide to do this, many people here would be interested in a thread where you report on your search process. I’m sure of that.

That’s how ours was. She was a real gem and we were sorry to see her go (health issues). In fact, she was so amenable over the phone and forthcoming with photos and the like that we signed up without seeing the place. A bit of a risk, but it turned out to be a good one. After we e-signed, she asked if we wanted carpet or bare floors, which surprised me, but they actually refurbish every apartment prior to move-in: paint, carpet replacement, appliances, etc. Most of the staff has been here for years and know the residents by name and habits.

But back to your comments: you’re right. You have to ask the hard questions and look at things with a critical eye. One of my big questions was sound attenuation. I don’t want to hear my neighbors farting or clomping around up above us. A lot of these places are thin-walled and poorly built. I was assured that this building is concrete construction and pretty quiet. Interestingly, when our marketing director and her husband moved into a similar facility, they didn’t ask the hard questions or check things out properly. She told me that the sliding door onto the small terrace couldn’t be opened without huge effort and that they could hear every pin drop in the building. She was threatening them with putting the rent money into escrow until things were fixed.

I would certainly be interested.

My experience finding the place for Late Aged MIL was the same as @ThelmaLou & @Chefguy report. We visited around a dozen places and got no hard sells at all. One of the advantages of living in RetireeLand is we’re well supplied with facilities at all price points.

As to cost, we found Mom could rent a 1BR Independent Living place with meals and housekeeping and utilities for the same amount as renting an ordinary 2BR apartment with no services, plus utilities and groceries in the same zip code.

As I point out in all these threads, when you sell your current residence, all that money goes into your savings to generate more income, and to be principal you can draw down as you age out.

As somebody many years short of making this move, but who sold a house to move to a condo then sold the condo to move to a rented apartment, you’d be amazed at all the expenses and taxes that disappear when you don’t have a house. Every bit of that savings offsets the rent cost you’ll be picking up.

I’ve watched too many people age themselves into being trapped in the big old place. Eventually the logistics of moving become larger than their ever-declining capacity to cope. I’m working diligently now to ensure that won’t happen to me.