Shame on those that refuse the vaccine

As I’ve mentioned on several different threads, my wife became a full-throated Trump supporter, QAnon adherent and anti-vaxxer. Preliminary discussions about getting the vax weeks ago led her to make statements like, “Anyone who wants the vaccine is stupid,” and “Only idiots want to get the vaccine.”

I’ve held off on getting the vaccine because I want to keep the peace, but I just can’t do that anymore. Yesterday I informed her that I was going to get the jab this week, and that I understand that she refuses and although it saddens me, I will respect her wishes and not nag her to get it as well (there would be no point, so why waste my breath?).

It went as well as you might expect. Bitter recriminations, “Gotcha ya!” questions, highly suspect stats presented with “look it up if you don’t believe me!” added. All the stats come from the CDC so of course I should believe them - they’re the authorities!

When I said that both my doctor and my pulmonary specialist (I’m asthmatic) recommended I get the Pfizer dose, she told me that well OF COURSE they would say that, they’re getting paid by the CDC and so have a vested interest in making money from this obvious scam. Then she adds, slyly, “I’m surprised your doctors didn’t tell you about Regeneron. It cures COVID!” This is clearly false; I don’t even bother arguing it.

And then she says, “I think I had COVID earlier this year, and I survived!”

First off, this is a lie. I’ve been working at home. She didn’t present any of the symptoms, period, never even complained of feeling unwell. And if it’s not a lie, and she was unwell but deliberately kept this information from me, I don’t know what that says about her. She knows I’m in a risk category, although she constantly denies I’m asthmatic.

And now she’s barely talking to me, treating me like The Great Betrayer. This honestly has to be the saddest I’ve been in a very long time. I can’t believe that the simple act of looking after myself - and society - makes me a pariah in my own home.

Have you met JaneDoe42? You two should get together.

Oh shit, that must really really really suck :frowning: , {{{{Daithi_Lacha}}}}

Truly, if there ever was a made in heaven opportunity for a spouse swap, this is it.

Yep. Just brutal to read, and unimaginable to live.

My brother and SIL are probably right there, too. I keep hoping against hope that they’ll both secretly get vaccinated and then just lie about it in order to maintain … maintain … maintain … the outward appearance of … WTF it is that’s so existentially and ideologically critical to them.

I’m really sorry that you’re (still) going through this.

I need to set up a Flickr account just so I can trade cute cat photos with her :slight_smile:

Seriously. I really feel bad for both @Daithi_Lacha and @JaneDoe42.

Me too. And anyone else who is dealing with a spouse with a mental illness. Because that’s what this is.

The DSM has an entry for “dumb-ass”?

I actually think the DSM needs an entry for an illness that allows people to believe evidence free, dangerous conspiracy theories that have no grounding in reality, and will lead them to harm themselves or others.

It’s not much different to a mental illness that causes you to hear voices in your head urging you to hurt people or yourself.

I can tell you that there are elements of narcissism involved. The notion that you’re so much smarter than anyone who disagrees with you, which enables you to treat them with sneering disdain and barely-disguised contempt.

Ugh. I feel for you. More painful than the frustration of having a spouse who refuses to get the vaccine must be the complete lack of respect for you or concern for your health. How can a relationship not be poisoned by that? Is marriage counseling for something like this even a possibility?

Yep. Just unfriended someone who tried to spread conspiracy nonsense. She claims she’s progressive, too, but then went on about “the left” censoring things. That would mean she was talking about herself, but clearly she doesn’t think so.

She set herself up as some sort of martyr because people would get mad at her, so I brought up my mom not being able to get a bed because of COVID-19, and the fact that all beds are now full in my area. People without COVID are dying because she’s spreading this nonsense.

I should have been suspicious when she voted Green in 2016, and went on about how she’d be persecuted for that. She has a persecution fantasy.

I draw the line at being friends with people who act like that. I don’t care if it’s ignorance. I will fight that ignorance, but I cannot be friends with those who see people dying around them and still want to spread their “I’m so special” nonsense.

I am so sorry this has happened to you. It sounds like you have it much worse than me, hubs is just dismissive of the whole COVID thing, but we are still getting along like friendly roommates as long as we avoid to ignore the orange elephant in the room.

George has been very helpful, when people are able to laugh at something together, it lightens the mood a lot.

I’m kinda leaning towards the mental illness theory myself. This is a serious change in him, and I know that he will refuse and sort of counseling because he isn’t the one with the problem.

I wish you well and hope you will be happy again some day soon.

They just announced that everyone in state government where I am (Washington) needs to be fully-vaccinated in the next 2 months to continue employment. Fortunately I have been vaccinated for many months now, literally as soon I could be. I wonder how many of my coworkers will no longer be my coworkers by October.

Neither one of those things is true.

Rizzo, a cancer survivor, said in June while with the Cubs that he wanted to see more “data” before deciding whether to get vaccinated against COVID-19. Boone did not want to speculate on any player’s vaccination status.

Tell her she convinced you. Get the vaccine, and just smile and nod. It’s none of her business if you are vaccinated or not.

In 30 years of marriage, I’ve learned that communication is best, even if I have to take lumps for it. I used to be a liar when I was younger and now I pride myself on being truthful (dumb, I know).

Also, she’d probably wonder why I disappeared at lunch one day and then reappeared rubbing my upper arm. :wink:

One could also argue that in 30 years of marriage, she should be concerned about your welfare, if not her own.