Should A Person Lower Their Standards?

I have been on both sides of the fence. I have dated many girls who I feel felt they lowered their standards to date me. I dropped out of school young and got my high school diploma in night school. Intellectually I can’t keep up with a Doctor or lawyer or judge for instance if I am in a social setting with them. I feel like a fish out of water when they start discussing international trips, art, culture etc. I have had several women tell me I don’t embarass them because I know when to keep my mouth shut. On a more personnal level I seem to get along with their friends fine most of the time but awkward situations happen often enough to discourage me from taking these relationships too seriously.

   On another note I find most girls with my same level of education often boring, my best matches seem to be girls with some college and from working class homes. I don't like going up or down much either way. A slight contradiction might be that as I get older and the women I date get older the educational and social differences don't seem to have near as much effect on me as they had when I was younger.

IMHO when I say someone’s standards are too high what I mean is “You should try dating people who don’t meet your full list of criteria, because if you go out on a few dates with them, you might find that you like them.” For me a common example is women who cross out guys who are bald or too short. Okay, you shouldn’t date guys you’re not attracted too, but if you sit across the table from a guy for 2 hours, and have a really great conversation and he’s intersted in your job and your hobbies and your ideas, then all of a sudden that short bald guy might start to have a pretty nice smile.

It’s not just physical characteristics I’d apply that do. For example I’ve seem people say they want someone who graduated college, they couldn’t see how it would work otherwise, etc. I probably would have said that too. But really, there’s no actual reason someone without a college degree couldn’t make me happy, it’s not the same cateogory as being lazy, can’t keep a job, and other things that are really more character flaws.

This sounds reasonable in theory, but it seems like this advice would only be helpful if the person you’re talking to somehow doesn’t truly know their minimum criteria for attraction. I generally assume most adults have figured this out, but maybe that is overoptimistic of me.

If a woman has never, ever, ever been remotely attracted to someone shorter than her, then telling her to give short fellas a chance seems like bad advice. Because years of experience has presumably told her that this characteristic isn’t something she can overlook. It seems like a superficial thing to get up on, but we all have our superficial preferences. The difference is some are just easier to cater to than others.

That’s the key, I think. People can and should re-evaluate their “standards” on a regular basis. Changing them based on that re-evaluation shouldn’t be considered to be necessarily lowering them, but rather aligning them with what’s important.

For example, I’m 40 years old. If I were to be single all of a sudden (God forbid!), it would be important to re-evaluate and re-adjust whatever standards I might have. Some would definitely be relaxed (40-ish women just do not look like the 20 and 30-ish ones I dated before I got married), and some would not (someone who treats me with respect, is fun, etc…) and some would be new and/or more important (no smoking, must be interesting, must be independent).

None of that would mean that I’d “lowered” the standards, just that I realigned them. If I wouldn’t do that, then I’d be that pitiful old guy hitting on 20-somethings with no luck, instead of a 40 year old guy being successful with women between about 30 and 50.

Ooh, I’ve got a sanctimonious contribution to make!

In a relationship, STANDARDS are what you hold yourself to.

You want to talk about objective levels of physical attractiveness in a potential partner, those are more properly described as EXPECTATIONS.

I would never advise anyone to lower their standards, but someone in a slump might find it helpful to re-evaluate their priorities (as in, what’s a dealbreaker, what’s important, and what would just be nice). It’s not a lowering of standards, more clarifying.

More generally – and I should probably break this out into its own thread – there are different kinds of slump. “I never meet people” is different from “I can never ‘close the deal’” is different from “they nver call back” is different from “it never lasts more than a few weeks/dates/whatever”.

No.

I’ve been told many a time that I’m nearly50 and still single because I’m too picky when it comes to men.

I’m tall and I don’t want to date a man who significantly shorter than me. I’m not attracted to short men, so I don’t try to hook up with a guy who’s <5’10". I don’t think I’m being too picky, it’s not like I’ve a list that he has to be X years older than me, have Y colour hair, earn Z amount of money a year, drive a specific type of car, own his own 5 bedroom house etc etc etc. All I’m asking for is a tall guy.

Not my fault all the men around here are in the lollipop guild, or are tall but younger than me and don’t want to date an older woman :frowning:

I take “lowering one’s standards” to mean dating someone that you aren’t really that attracted to, simply because you don’t believe you can get any better. To me, this is simply ridiculous. It is only setting the stage for a disaster. Physical attraction, while of course only a rather small part of a relationship, is a vital part. If you aren’t even attracted to the person at the outset, when they are the most mysterious, new and exciting, what chance is there that physical attraction will somehow grow over time?

Don’t settle for less than what you want, because that’s just a recipe for heartache down the road.

“No relationship” is better than “a bad relationship.”

This is what I would mean if I told someone to lower their standards.
Give people a chance even if they are not exactly what you had in mind. You might be surprised at who you actually are compatible with.
My fiance is quite different than anyone else I dated before him. My fiance has also told me that he didn’t expect to end up with someone like me. It doesn’t mean that we “settled”, just that we discovered that the criteria we thought was important doesn’t matter as much as we thought.
If you had asked me what kind of guy I wanted back in the old days, I might have said I wanted a tall guy with similar political and religious views.
My fiance is average height and has different religious/political views than I do. However, he is compatible with me in the ways that it turns out actually are important in daily life (similar values, similar personalities, very loyal and good-hearted). We communicate really well and things have been much better with him than they were with guys who I would have thought fit my criteria better.

I kind of feel bad for people who rigidly adhere to a checklist of traits instead of just being willing to meet people and see what happens. It’s not some big commitment to go out on a date with someone just to see if you like them. You don’t have to marry the person if you go out with them once.

Yes we tend to get a lot of approaches so better be good :stuck_out_tongue:

If you are using standards as a defacto way of not committing to someone then yes you should reassess them. Many men and women do this and saying things like well he was perfect but only 6’1" and I need a man who is 6’2" is stupid.

You’d be surprised,really, at how attraction can grow as you get to know a person , although I’m not sure I’d call it physical attraction.

Although I must say, I’ve never heard anyone use “lowering your standards” to mean dating someone you’re not really attracted to. I usually hear it in reference to someone who has “high standards” that they themselves wouldn’t meet. Like the not particularly good-looking guy who says “she’s not pretty enough” or the waitress who says “he doesn’t have a good enough job”. It’s certainly better to be alone than to be unhappy, but I’m not so sure that it’s better to be alone because you were unwilling to get to know a whole bunch of people, one of whom may have made you happy.

When people tell you that you should lower your standards, what they are really telling you is that you’re no prize yourself.

Yeah, I’ve had depressing conversations with people who think romance is going to be like a movie and anything less would be “settling.” And I think, “Damn, LIFE is settling, if you’re going to compare it to a movie!”

Except the first sentence doesn’t describe a “bad relationship”.

The whole idea of lowering one’s standards sort of misses the point. Being in a relationship or not, if one isn’t satisfied with it, it will just make both people in the relationship miserable. That said, sometimes people have unreasonable standards, not in the sense that they’re particularly unatainable, which they may or may not be, but because they THINK they need something to be happy when they really don’t. If you take the time and really think about what you NEED, and relax on the things you really don’t, you’ll end up a lot better off.

For instance, there’s the obvious “she has to be hot”. Aiming for some generic level of hotness, like an 8, really isn’t going to do much good. From my own experiences, I can easily say I’ve seen some girls who are clear 9s or higher, but don’t really seem to do much for me, where another who would generally be rated lower, maybe a 7 on most people’s scales, seems to pique my interest more. As such, my only real criterion in that regard is “attractive”. Of course, this probably is less necessary for meeting someone in person, since you know whether she does whatever for you, but it’s definitely worth noting when it comes to online dating. When I was doing that, plenty of times I’d see pictures where they looked fantastic, and for whatever reason just wasn’t really attracted to her, and others where I felt like she might be marginal, but was really attracted to her in person.

Or for other less superficial things, I’m well educated and it’s important to me to be with someone I can have a good intellectual discussion with. More than a few times I’ve dated women with advanced degrees, but can really only talk intelligently on that narrow topic, and others with less formal education, but have a genuine curiousity and can talk intelligently on all sorts of things. And, at that point, and why I changed a standard from “well educated” to “intellectually stimulating”. Similarly, I’m a musician, but can ultimately really connect with just about anyone who is passionate about some form of art.

And, just as important and often underlooked, it’s just as important to make sure some aren’t too low. Someone might be willing to accept someone who is significantly less intelligent, artistic, active, generous, or whatever other things are important to them because they don’t realize how important those really are to them or, perhaps worse, don’t feel they deserve someone who is that.

So, really, it’s not about lowering one’s standards as much as really assessing and defining what one’s standards should be. Sometimes they’re too high, sometimes they’re too low, sometimes they’re just plain completely off the mark.
And for the “practicing” in the OP, I’d generally not suggest that unless both people are on the same page. The thing is, I’ve known a few people who have done that, and would even refer to them as “practice girlfriends/boyfriends”. In every case, they really weren’t very invested in the relationship, where the other person was. And, if they did learn anything, it really ended up being bad lessons because they learned to manipulate that difference. Like knowing she’s more invested and he doesn’t really care, he might go out and do something for himself where he should be spending time with her. In one case, I know a guy who managed to convince his “practice girlfriend” that he needed to sleep around but she didn’t, so it was going to have sex with other women and she would just let him do that, and by the time she realized she was being manipulated, she was crushed.

Really, what sort of “training” is required? Sure, there’s some basics like, don’t be a jerk, don’t be a slob, treat her like a human being, but if you actually care about her, that’s the sort of stuff you’ll be inspired by that not to do, or see that it makes her unhappy and make a simple effort to fix it. Similarly, if there’s things that bother you and you care, you’ll have more patience and be willing to work with those flaws. And if whatever they are are insurmountable, maybe you’re just incompatible and you move on.

I think the verticality implied by "raising " and “lowering” is misleading. Instead, I would say simply that if one’s standards aren’t working, one needs to change them. If one is consistently making the same mistakes, picking people with the same flaws or incompatibilities, then it’s time to do something different.

I’m not sure that most people know what their standards are. If you have “standards,” I think you should review them and more or less stick with them, though, if you want to be happy.

In my case, I don’t think things would work out well if my partner wasn’t about equal to me in intelligence, if her tastes and values and beliefs differed too much from mine, if we didn’t share some common hobbies or interests or if I did not find her to be attractive.

So all the people I’ve had relationships with have had relationships with have, say, graduated in the upper thirds of heir classes, have leaned left-ish politically and socially (or maybe not TOO right-ish) and have been “good looking” from my point of view, though actual sizes, shapes, hair color, etc. have varied somewhat. They have had creative talents–writing, singing, dance, art, photography. They’ve liked a smaller old town more than urban life. Our working habits and spending habits have been compatible.

I would be unhappy if I could not carry on an in-depth conversation with my partner, if she didn’t like any of the things I enjoy doing and vice versa, if we were constantly at odds about religion or politics, if she wanted a lifestyle or had material needs far different from mine or if I was not turned on by her.

The relationships that did not work out dissolved when time revealed we did not meet each other’s needs or standards one way or another.

If lowering your standards means being willing to enter a committed relationship with someone who falls too far outside what you need from a partner, it’s not a good thing to do. But you need to have a pretty clear idea what your standards are, exactly.

I find I have a clearer idea at an older age. I was 39 when I entered the partnership I’ve had for the last 16 years.

Exactamundo. I don’t think anyone’s really seriously arguing that anyone should compromise their “must-haves” in terms of compatilbility- respect, etc… but that maybe if you’re 42 and lonely, and you’re holding out for that guy who makes over $100,000 per year, is handsome, has a full head hair, has little body hair, likes anime, is “cool”, and good enough in bed to charge money, and you’re turning away guys who meet all that stuff, but don’t have a full head of hair, then maybe you should re-evaluate what you’re holding so dear. That bald guy, guy with back hair, or guy making 75k might be the right guy for them, but they have these unattainable yardsticks, so they throw them out and claim they’re not going to “lower their standards”.

It’s kind of sad if you ask me. If there’s one thing I learned in my time dating, it’s that it pays to be open minded and to not necessarily judge a book by it’s cover.