Actually, you don’t seem like you need Red’s help in this game.
Dude, your posts make no sense…
So let me spell it out.
G O A W A Y.
or at least, S T O P P O S T I N G.
When you are invited into the melee we will acknowledge you.
You know, this is a really interesting conversation, because it brings up a lot of the questions I have in my mind about government age minimums on drinking (and a lot of other things, for that matter). I’m sure on GD, this has been discussed before, but it strikes me as somewhat absurd that some people think that you’re magically responsible at age 18. This definitely isn’t the time and place for it, though. Still, given discussions I’ve read on legalizing drugs and prostitution, and the opinions of some that X doesn’t need to be convinced to stop drinking, I have to wonder if this situation would be handled differently if it involved one of those things, if they were to become legal…
Anyway. red_dragon, my thought is that it really depends on how you think X will react in a more neutral situation. If she’s going to rebel, run away, or otherwise react badly to confrontation, then you’ll need to do a lot more thinking. Definitely turn to a neutral party for advice (your parents may or may not be neutral, depending on their knowledge of, and relationship to, X and her family; counselor suggestion sounds good). Maybe you aren’t the one she’ll listen to, but someone else is. This is definitely a complex situation, though, and it’ll require a lot of thought. Good luck.
You too, White Lightning
I was waiting for that. Good one. I’ll be “acknowledged”? How about let’s acknowledge that you haven’t had one interesting or meaningful thing to say on this MB YET? Every post of yours that I’ve read, at least 50% of your total post count, is either spiteful or a complete waste of server space.
And, just by the way, everyone’s welcome to contribute to discussions around here, without having to be acknowledged by anyone. Especially in the Pit. So fuck off with your arrogance and cowardice. Yes, I know, you’re afraid to post anything but your shockingly unoriginal one-liners. Blow me.
Oh, and pleeeeease do something bannable. I’m begging you.
Well it’s a good thing you didn’t bother to acknowledge me.
You know, I’m glad you posted here tonight. I had forgotten that such assholes exist. Thanks for reminding me that fuckwads like you still polute our planet.
I’ve been any more of a jerk than anyone around here has been, and I will stand down!
So, just do it asshole! It’s going to be a hard row to find, I guarantee.
Sorry man, I hate to do this, but do you have an invitation?
OK, NBN, lets both grow up for a sec and let me ask you a serious question.
What was meant by this? This seems like what started this whole mess. I don’t remember seeing you around other than in this thread, so I can’t comment on other stuff you said.
After rereading your post above, it could be taken a couple of different ways (at least by me).
I think (not that it really matters what I think) that you made a dumb comment, it has since gotten blown up, and you kinda turned into a jerk after people got pissed at it.
Anyway, I’m done with the name calling.
I, for one, would marvel if he could come up with some other logical explanation of what he meant by it, since there ain’t one.
But, you know, go ahead and try anyway. It might amuse us for a moment, or at least until you get banned.
Esprix
red_dragon60, ignore the bad advisors here. You know this situation is messed up and something needs to be done. A 14 year old girl getting drunk and naked in the great outdoors with 21 year olds is trouble waiting to happen, and you need to take steps to solve it. Talk to her parents right away.
It is true that drinking isn’t necessarily bad, but 14 is a bit too young, and there’s other high-risk behaviour here to boot. If you do nothing and she finds herself molested or raped or worse, you’ll never forgive yourself.
Take steps to solve this problem.
It’s already been said the the IM conversation was over the top regarding how X’s behavior made red dragon feel, so I won’t go into that. Let me say that:
Due to self esteem issues and such, I was drinking and having sex (lots of sex) by age 14. It is only by a miracle that I did not end up pregnant, with STDs or raped. (at least, as far as I’m aware). It was dangerous and scary, but the worst part was how great it made me feel.
By drinking and having sex, I felt part of a group. I wanted to hear people say that I was “fun” and “cool” and “beautiful”. It is difficult for me to look back on those days with anything but shame, but it certainly did teach me about judging others who may be in the same boat.
If this girl is seeking that sort of attention and drinking, you must tell someone. I would suggest her parents or the school counselor. 14 is way too young to be participating in those activities. While I never ended up assaulted or injured, there were many very close calls over the years before I got my shit together.
It sounds like a bad situation, and I hope she gets some help and encouragement in resolving her issues.
Zette
If all you’re doing is coming here to pick fights with people on this board, that’s not going to make you any friends.
I don’t want to see any more of this bad attitude from you – in this thread or anywhere else.
If I do, you will no longer have posting privileges here.
You do not want to come fight with me, I promise you. So shape up. This is your first and last warning.
your humble TubaDiva
Administrator
Well, I’m not White Lightning, and I didn’t get an invitation, but Hell, I’ll give you some examples anyway.
First, there’s this:
Which I already called you on. In this post, you jump to the conclusion that red_dragon is a stalker and “needs to get a life” without knowing the situation. All you knew was that he was concerned about her, and in your twisted, pre-pubescent brain, this translated into “Asshole. And Red Dragon needs to get a life.”
Next:
Wherein you take a completely uncalled for stab at red dragon. C’mon, you say that HE has to get off the computer? Please. He’s not the one spouting “whiny shit.”
Proceeding to:
Here, you realize that you have been thwarted by logical arguments, and therefore resort back to your first, completely unbased assumption that red dragon is a stalker, just because he is concerned for his friend.
Then we get to this:
Now, I don’t know about you, but I sure don’t see anybody else here being homophobic. And if you weren’t homophobic, as you say, then what the Hell DID you mean by that?
But I’ll let your own words speak for you:
And do all these gay friends of yours know that you are a homophobe? Please. That defense is almost as bad as “I ain’t no racist, but them n*ggers is stoopid.” Not only that, but you seem to be assuming that someone ELSE in this thread is homophobic? Who might that be?
Well, we’ll let you answer that:
(And I know I’m screwing up chronology on this quote, but my point stands)
Ah, it’s obvious that SHAYNA is the homophobe, because she came to Esprix’s defense when you slandered him. Of course. It all makes sense now.
Next:
Ah, yes. Childish insults. THAT sure furthers your point. Though it probably would have been more effective if you had called him a “poop head”.
For some reason, you are assuming that Red Dragon has done something ban-worthy. Care to elaborate?
Of course, because for some reason, YOU are the one who decides who is in this argument. How did you get that power again?
See above.
And now, we’re back to your challenge. I’m sorry, NBN, but I didn’t quite follow your directions. Instead of finding one post where you were more of a jerk than anyone else, I went and found ten. Mom always said I was an overachiever.
But hey, look at it this way. You now have a nice, impressive trolling portfolio, showcasing your complete lack of tact and talent. The admissions office over at Asshole U will be VERY impressed.
Now run along now. I think I hear your mom calling. It’s time for juicy juice and a nap.
-Walt
Aw, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan…I spend all that time finding quotes, only to find that an administrator already did the job for me.
Phooey. Phooey I say.
Red Dragon:
In my opinion you came off a little like an asshole.
I have some deep concerns about a 14 year old girl engaging in binge drinking, and going skinny dipping. I think you are correct to be concerned.
Where I think you are in error is in the way you’re going about this, which is actually from a selfish standpoint. You’re worried about what the effects of her drinking will have on you and your relationship with her. You’re worried about how they make you feel.
Really, that shouldn’t be the issue if you are trying to be a good friend. You should put your issues with her behavior aside, and be the best friend you can.
This is a tough situation to be in at 16 (or any age for that matter) but you need to put your atittudes about alcohol aside. You need to support her without judgement. Be a good friend without endorsing this dangerous behavior. She should know that your concerns aren’t about how it affects you, but about her well-being.
A 14 year old binge drinker can do themselves serious physical damage. A 14 year old isn’t really physically, mentally, or emotionally equipped to deal with drinking and skinny dipping, and late night parties, and her parents should be very concerned and taking action. Their negligence in allowing this to occur is insupportable.
By being a good friend and supporting her without endorsing her, hopefully she’ll get past this reckless exploratory phase and return to common sense. All you can do is be there for her.
You may want to consider alerting her parents if that seems appropriate.
Good luck.
Red, is this girl an online friend or a friend you know in person? I think part of the problem is with her parents. She said she was out skinny dipping at 3 AM?? Do her parents work overnight and she has no overnight supervision, or did she just crawl out her window, or just go out and not come home until 5 AM?
Talking to your therapist is a good idea, and you might also consider talking to your mom. It seems you have a good relationship with her, and she may be able to give you some guidance as far as dealing with your friend’s (possibly) neglectful parents.
Some parents honestly do not care if their kids are out all night long, or for days at a time. They don’t question what they did or wonder about the impact it will have later in life. They don’t care if the kid is drinking, having sex, or doing drugs. They don’t attempt to help a child addict/alcohol abuser. They don’t care.
It’s called neglect, and it happens more then you can imagine.
Zette
I know her IRL. And her parents know that she spends the night at her 19yo guy friend’s house all the time. I don’t think they care what happens.
And everyone else, thanks for the advice. I am already thinking about what I am gonna say to her.